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Anexia moves 12,000 VMs off VMware to homebrew KVM platform -Netcub
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Anexia moves 12,000 VMs off VMware to homebrew KVM platform -Netcub

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  • ... The CEO preferred not to enumerate the increase precisely however The Register understands it exceeded 500 percent.

    wtf

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  • I am kind of curious how many companies are there waiting for Broadcom to bring back old pricing and trying to ride this thing off.

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  • gbzret4dgbzret4d Member
    edited January 13

    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

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  • Many changed to vmware to stop using citrix.

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  • Get Broadcommed I guess

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  • Why not proxmox.

  • ralfralf Member

    ... a choice made easier by its ownership of another hosting business called Netcup that ran on a KVM-based platform.

    The real WTF is owning netcup and not thinking about getting them to supply the VMs needed earlier.

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  • yongsikleeyongsiklee Member, Host Rep

    @ralf said:

    ... a choice made easier by its ownership of another hosting business called Netcup that ran on a KVM-based platform.

    The real WTF is owning netcup and not thinking about getting them to supply the VMs needed earlier.

    One of the clients is Teamviewer who would have wanted the most reputable. Owning a hosting company is just that. I wholeheartedly commend their decision to part from Broadcom and go their own way.

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  • I have been following VMware’s takeover by Broadcom a lot on Reddit. All I see is Broadcom asking huge prices. I strongly believe mr. Tan lost his mind. They will only make money from the richest customers who are stuck in their ecosystem. Once they made a shadow system, I’m sure VMware will have a hard time existing. No one likes an unreliable partner. Even not when you have millions to spend.

    A ship on its way to sink. Proxmox and Nutanix are right around the corner.

  • @ascicode said:
    Why not proxmox.

    because proxmox, like every off-the-shelf software, has certain limitations that you'll run into and will have to work around. if you have the resources it's worth writing a custom qemu wrapper from scratch

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  • gksgks Member

    @DennisdeWit said:
    I have been following VMware’s takeover by Broadcom a lot on Reddit. All I see is Broadcom asking huge prices. I strongly believe mr. Tan lost his mind. They will only make money from the richest customers who are stuck in their ecosystem. Once they made a shadow system, I’m sure VMware will have a hard time existing. No one likes an unreliable partner. Even not when you have millions to spend.

    A ship on its way to sink. Proxmox and Nutanix are right around the corner.

    Don't see Kubernetes could become stronger? Especially Kubernetes with VPC, memory protection with containers? Or do you see KVM or VM still has edge isolation?

  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

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  • LeviLevi Member

    “Homebrew virtualisation solution” sounds like a disaster.

  • ksekse Member

    @DennisdeWit said:
    I strongly believe mr. Tan lost his mind.

    Actually he did not. In Germany we call companies like Broadcom "Heuschrecke" (financial locusts)
    Mr Tan paid like what 61B USD for VMware. Thats a big investment. All Broadcom is now doing is focused on getting a very quick ROI while they milk all the customers that are trapped in the VMware ecosystem. You can see that on the extreme high price increase of 700-900%, Switching from monthly payment to yearly payment and switching from monthly contracts to 2 or 3 years contracts.

    This will generate a heavy cash flow for Broadcom. A lot of company's will be trapped there for the next 5 years or so. Not many company's have skilled developers, system admins and engineers that can quickly build a tooling around libvirt/qemu/kvm that brings all the needed features. A Lot of company's build up infrastructure like that based on consulting companies and only employee one or two system administrators to take care of the daily business. They don't have the manpower to get out from Broadcom quickly. For them they are more ore less hostages to broadcom currently.

    They might hire the consulting again to build something new, but it will take time.

    Broadcom will make a lot of money with VMware in the next 5 years. Then they are going to sell it, shortly before the customers can get out of that hostage situation.

    That means: $$$ for the Broadcom managers and Shareholders. Thats all what counts for people like Mr. Tan.

  • @yongsiklee said:

    @ralf said:

    ... a choice made easier by its ownership of another hosting business called Netcup that ran on a KVM-based platform.

    The real WTF is owning netcup and not thinking about getting them to supply the VMs needed earlier.

    One of the clients is Teamviewer who would have wanted the most reputable. Owning a hosting company is just that. I wholeheartedly commend their decision to part from Broadcom and go their own way.

    Don't forget lufthansa

  • @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

    Monopoly position

  • @ralf said:

    ... a choice made easier by its ownership of another hosting business called Netcup that ran on a KVM-based platform.

    The real WTF is owning netcup and not thinking about getting them to supply the VMs needed earlier.

    Different targets and if you read the article it will be clear that netcup is involved in the transfer to a kvm solution

  • VoidVoid Member

    [@DennisdeWit said](
    They will only make money from the richest customers who are stuck in their ecosystem.

    Well, one of those richest customers has now shown the way and proved that it’s possible to move away. More will follow.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ascicode said:
    Why not proxmox.

    Not suitable for large 50+ node clusters.

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  • mrTommrTom Member

    does anyone have an idea what solution they went with (on top of kvm)? purely inhouse or something well known? the ceo mentions working "on the open source solution", but not if its their own or a commonly used one.

    “We have free budget to work on the open source solution and make us sovereign for us and our customers,” Windbichler said.

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  • AdvinAdvin Member, Host Rep

    @emgh said:

    @ascicode said:
    Why not proxmox.

    Not suitable for large 50+ node clusters.

    It's being fixed soon.

    https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/proxmox-datacenter-manager-first-alpha-release.159323/

    But yes, for Anexia's case, it makes a lot of sense since they already have the developers to build their own KVM platform (with proven success via Netcup), and it gives them a lot of control and freedom.

  • gbzret4dgbzret4d Member
    edited January 14

    @mrTom said:
    does anyone have an idea what solution they went with (on top of kvm)? purely inhouse or something well known? the ceo mentions working "on the open source solution", but not if its their own or a commonly used one.

    “We have free budget to work on the open source solution and make us sovereign for us and our customers,” Windbichler said.

    From an article from a german tech news website:

    For Anexia, this step was not quite so difficult, as the group already runs VMware machines on its own platform called Anexia Engine. Meanwhile, VM drives run on Netapp storage, which can be migrated from VMware to the new infrastructure. Customers will therefore not notice much of the changes in the background.

    Maybe you can find more info's on their website: https://www.anexia-engine.com/

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  • @Advin said:

    @emgh said:

    @ascicode said:
    Why not proxmox.

    Not suitable for large 50+ node clusters.

    It's being fixed soon.

    https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/proxmox-datacenter-manager-first-alpha-release.159323/

    But yes, for Anexia's case, it makes a lot of sense since they already have the developers to build their own KVM platform (with proven success via Netcup), and it gives them a lot of control and freedom.

    They only need during the migration more resources to move on the fly without interrupting their customers. Their ceo also said this and now they have more money to invest to their own engine.

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  • @suyadi92 said:

    ... The CEO preferred not to enumerate the increase precisely however The Register understands it exceeded 500 percent.

    wtf

    Not only that but:

    “We used to pay for VMware software one month in arrears,” he said. “With Broadcom we >had to pay a year in advance with a two-year contract.” That arrangement, the CEO said, >would have created extreme stress on company cashflow.

    So imagine you were paying 1000 a month. Now you have to pay 60,000 (for a year in advance at 500% increase). That is absolutely insane.

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  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @wadhah said:
    So imagine you were paying 1000 a month. Now you have to pay 60,000 (for a year in advance at 500% increase). That is absolutely insane.

    120,000 because they say 2-years in advance

  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @gbzret4d said:
    Monopoly position

    Broadcom/VMware? Or Netcup?

    Between Hyper-V, OpenStack, Proxmox, and QEMU, I can see them having difficulty claiming a Broadcom is a monopoly.. Will be interesting to see how it plays out if someone proceeds.

  • @wadhah said:
    So imagine you were paying 1000 a month. Now you have to pay 60,000 (for a year in advance at 500% increase). That is absolutely insane.

    Broadcom says shake it, shake it boss. Broadcom says back-flip, back-flip boss.

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  • ralfralf Member

    @wadhah said:

    @suyadi92 said:

    ... The CEO preferred not to enumerate the increase precisely however The Register understands it exceeded 500 percent.

    wtf

    Not only that but:

    “We used to pay for VMware software one month in arrears,” he said. “With Broadcom we >had to pay a year in advance with a two-year contract.” That arrangement, the CEO said, >would have created extreme stress on company cashflow.

    So imagine you were paying 1000 a month. Now you have to pay 60,000 (for a year in advance at 500% increase). That is absolutely insane.

    Coicidentally, AVGO (Broadcom) stock has 5x'd in value in the last 2 years.

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  • IMO they should opensource the migraton tool and allow others to do the same!

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  • VoidVoid Member

    @sreekanth850 said:
    IMO they should opensource the migraton tool and allow others to do the same!

    Most big vendors have their own tools for such use cases. Microsoft, for example, has Azure Migrate.

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