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  • @dev_vps said:

    @donli said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @donli said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Windows OS on $8.69/year vps
    2x vCore Ryzen 3900 / 1.5 GB / 60 GB

    53 processes? Which Windows version?

    Go ahead … what is your guess?

    I'm going to guess Windows 11 with effort put in to disable unneeded services.

    0.7gb memory usage is not possible, to my knowledge, with Windows 11, even with setting unneeded services to manual mode.

    Depends how much effort you put into minimization I guess...

    Developer sets Windows 11 record by running it on just 184MB of RAM
    https://www.techspot.com/news/106186-developer-sets-new-windows-11-record-running-184mb.html

    Thanked by 2admax Blembim
  • @donli said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @donli said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @donli said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Windows OS on $8.69/year vps
    2x vCore Ryzen 3900 / 1.5 GB / 60 GB

    53 processes? Which Windows version?

    Go ahead … what is your guess?

    I'm going to guess Windows 11 with effort put in to disable unneeded services.

    0.7gb memory usage is not possible, to my knowledge, with Windows 11, even with setting unneeded services to manual mode.

    Depends how much effort you put into minimization I guess...

    Developer sets Windows 11 record by running it on just 184MB of RAM
    https://www.techspot.com/news/106186-developer-sets-new-windows-11-record-running-184mb.html

    I use standard microsoft iso installation and disable few unnecessary services.

    No tiny install crap. Such thing breaks whenever windows update is applied.

    I like to keep it as it was in standard iso. Peace of mind and no security risk, in my limited wisdom.

    Thanked by 2admax Blembim
  • admaxadmax Member, Megathread Squad

    @dev_vps said:

    @donli said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @donli said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @donli said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Windows OS on $8.69/year vps
    2x vCore Ryzen 3900 / 1.5 GB / 60 GB

    53 processes? Which Windows version?

    Go ahead … what is your guess?

    I'm going to guess Windows 11 with effort put in to disable unneeded services.

    0.7gb memory usage is not possible, to my knowledge, with Windows 11, even with setting unneeded services to manual mode.

    Depends how much effort you put into minimization I guess...

    Developer sets Windows 11 record by running it on just 184MB of RAM
    https://www.techspot.com/news/106186-developer-sets-new-windows-11-record-running-184mb.html

    I use standard microsoft iso installation and disable few unnecessary services.

    No tiny install crap. Such thing breaks whenever windows update is applied.

    I like to keep it as it was in standard iso. Peace of mind and no security risk, in my limited wisdom.

    I like this too. When the installation templates provide a Windows image, I usually download the ISO file from the official website after installation and reinstall it, which feels very comfortable.

    Thanked by 2dev_vps Blembim
  • Where is VirBot tokyo madness sir?

    Thanked by 1admax
  • admaxadmax Member, Megathread Squad

    @Blembim said:
    Where is VirBot tokyo madness sir?

    I noticed a website: https://www.chkaja.com/bf.php, which tracks virbot's sales. You can view past BF sale records. Japan VPS prices went as low as $8 per year. :joy: LOL!

    Thanked by 2Blembim dev_vps
  • Hard to make a choice like these ;)

    Thanked by 1admax
  • cybertechcybertech Member
    edited January 2025

    @truemagic said:
    Hard to make a choice like these ;)

    buy it for a year, and measure the total downtime experienced (if any), that will influence your decision for the following year.

    not saying good or bad, but statistics dont lie.

    Thanked by 3truemagic admax ralf
  • @tenji said:

    @barbaros said:

    @admax said:

    @barbaros said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @painfreepc said:
    ****virmach
    ****Offer #2237

    SKU: RYZEN SKU# V0C-XD
    4 cores
    3584MB RAM
    80GB NVMe Storage
    1 IPv4
    10240GB Bandwidth
    LOS ANGELES, CA
    

    $29.05 per YEAR

    This would have been a good offer, if the storage was at least 110 gb, in my opinion

    The real question is, what kind of specific amount is 3584 MB RAM.

    3.5G?

    Who gives 3.5 GB Ram? make it 3 or 4.

    there was a time where 500mb memory stick were somewhat popular :p

    That's a RAM steal of some kind.

    The full uncropped size was 512 MB B)

    Thanked by 2admax ralf
  • @dev_vps said:

    @painfreepc said:
    ****virmach
    ****Offer #2237

    SKU: RYZEN SKU# V0C-XD
    4 cores
    3584MB RAM
    80GB NVMe Storage
    1 IPv4
    10240GB Bandwidth
    LOS ANGELES, CA
    

    $29.05 per YEAR

    This would have been a good offer, if the storage was at least 110 gb, in my opinion

    Offer #2242
    SKU: RYZEN SKU# V0M-XD
    4 cores
    4608MB RAM
    130GB NVMe Storage
    1 IPv4
    12800GB Bandwidth
    LOS ANGELES, CA
    $37.20 per YEAR
    Now $33.48
    1 hour, 35 minutes left

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited January 2025
    OFFER #2246
    $ 23.92 / year
    
    2560MB DDR4 RAM
    2 Core CPU VCORE
    160GB SSD (NVMe)
    6656GB Bandwidth
    2 IPv4 addresses
    

    $21.53 after 10% discount coupon

    Update — price reduced to $23.20
    $20.88 after 10% coupon

  • @dev_vps said:

    OFFER #2246
    $ 23.92 / year
    
    2560MB DDR4 RAM
    2 Core CPU VCORE
    160GB SSD (NVMe)
    6656GB Bandwidth
    2 IPv4 addresses
    

    $21.53 after 10% discount coupon

    Update — price reduced to $23.20
    $20.88 after 10% coupon

    Update — price reduced to $21.53
    $19.38 after 10% coupon

  • @dev_vps said:

    @dev_vps said:

    OFFER #2246
    $ 23.92 / year
    
    2560MB DDR4 RAM
    2 Core CPU VCORE
    160GB SSD (NVMe)
    6656GB Bandwidth
    2 IPv4 addresses
    

    $21.53 after 10% discount coupon

    Update — price reduced to $23.20
    $20.88 after 10% coupon

    Update — price reduced to $21.53
    $19.38 after 10% coupon

    what is the 10% coupon...? lol

  • @gks said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @skorous said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @barbaros said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Here is YABS for my $18.63/year vir**** VPS

    3x vCores Ryzen 5950x
    2.5 GB
    110 GB NVMe
    8 TB Monthly Bandwidth
    

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4263369/#Comment_4263369

    Nice beast if you are allowed to use it.

    Windows 11 Enterprise OS with SQL Server database server running on that vps

    Have you tried allowing it to beat the shit out of it's swap and cpu for an hour?

    it is $18 / year VPS .... not the $5/month one and should be used accordingly
    Using VPS for students database projects

    I try to keep average cpu utilization around 20%

    Possibly students don't run queries much or you don't have enough data, or queries are more IO bound rather CPU bound. Load up few gigabytes data, allow joins, sorting, analytical queries with group by, add up custom aggregators etc. 😊 then run parallel queries.

    Here is a screenshot on that $18/year vps
    running Windows 11 Enterprise, SQL Server database server and SSMS client on the same VPS

    That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory
    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    Thanked by 1admax
  • RubbenRubben Member
    edited January 2025

    guys someone give me a tldr im too lazy to read 5 pages, what are we talking about now? virmass bad or what

  • tldr .. Virmache is untrustworthy any money you give him be prepared to lose same with your service with little explanation

  • @acidpuke said:
    tldr .. Virmache is untrustworthy any money you give him be prepared to lose same with your service with little explanation

    seems like 90% of companies?

    Thanked by 2yoursunny admax
  • dragonballz2kdragonballz2k Member
    edited January 2025

    wasn't this the company where the owner of the company posted pictures of himself in a fursuit wearing diapers? It was either virmach, or some summer host.

  • @dev_vps said: That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory

    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    You know that frontend will be using cursors and only fetching what you can see on the screen, right? If you have reasonable indices created the initial query should be doing almost no work whatever database you use.

    Thanked by 2techdragon admax
  • @dev_vps said:

    @gks said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @skorous said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @barbaros said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Here is YABS for my $18.63/year vir**** VPS

    3x vCores Ryzen 5950x
    2.5 GB
    110 GB NVMe
    8 TB Monthly Bandwidth
    

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4263369/#Comment_4263369

    Nice beast if you are allowed to use it.

    Windows 11 Enterprise OS with SQL Server database server running on that vps

    Have you tried allowing it to beat the shit out of it's swap and cpu for an hour?

    it is $18 / year VPS .... not the $5/month one and should be used accordingly
    Using VPS for students database projects

    I try to keep average cpu utilization around 20%

    Possibly students don't run queries much or you don't have enough data, or queries are more IO bound rather CPU bound. Load up few gigabytes data, allow joins, sorting, analytical queries with group by, add up custom aggregators etc. 😊 then run parallel queries.

    Here is a screenshot on that $18/year vps
    running Windows 11 Enterprise, SQL Server database server and SSMS client on the same VPS

    That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory
    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    How isn't this possible on a Linux based OS when you can actually remove the GUI overhead and just remotely access the database?...

  • @ralf said:

    @dev_vps said: That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory

    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    You know that frontend will be using cursors and only fetching what you can see on the screen, right? If you have reasonable indices created the initial query should be doing almost no work whatever database you use.

    SSMS (db client) and SQL Server DB Server on the same vps …. And front end is indeed pulling all rows

    of course, this is not a representative of prod query, but my point was to highlight that vps is powerful enough to run SQL queries that bring lot of data.

  • @techdragon said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @gks said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @skorous said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @barbaros said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Here is YABS for my $18.63/year vir**** VPS

    3x vCores Ryzen 5950x
    2.5 GB
    110 GB NVMe
    8 TB Monthly Bandwidth
    

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4263369/#Comment_4263369

    Nice beast if you are allowed to use it.

    Windows 11 Enterprise OS with SQL Server database server running on that vps

    Have you tried allowing it to beat the shit out of it's swap and cpu for an hour?

    it is $18 / year VPS .... not the $5/month one and should be used accordingly
    Using VPS for students database projects

    I try to keep average cpu utilization around 20%

    Possibly students don't run queries much or you don't have enough data, or queries are more IO bound rather CPU bound. Load up few gigabytes data, allow joins, sorting, analytical queries with group by, add up custom aggregators etc. 😊 then run parallel queries.

    Here is a screenshot on that $18/year vps
    running Windows 11 Enterprise, SQL Server database server and SSMS client on the same VPS

    That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory
    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    How isn't this possible on a Linux based OS when you can actually remove the GUI overhead and just remotely access the database?...

    Try something similar on Linux desktop on a vps with 2.5 gb memory.

    I will be happy to be proven wrong.

    I can run similar setup on 1gb vps if database queries are being run on a remote machine.

  • @dragonballz2k said:
    wasn't this the company where the owner of the company posted pictures of himself in a fursuit wearing diapers? It was either virmach, or some summer host.

    holy shit what????? I really don't think that'd be Virmach but now I wanna know what host you're talking about, that's funny as fuck

  • @dev_vps said:

    @techdragon said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @gks said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @skorous said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @barbaros said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Here is YABS for my $18.63/year vir**** VPS

    3x vCores Ryzen 5950x
    2.5 GB
    110 GB NVMe
    8 TB Monthly Bandwidth
    

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4263369/#Comment_4263369

    Nice beast if you are allowed to use it.

    Windows 11 Enterprise OS with SQL Server database server running on that vps

    Have you tried allowing it to beat the shit out of it's swap and cpu for an hour?

    it is $18 / year VPS .... not the $5/month one and should be used accordingly
    Using VPS for students database projects

    I try to keep average cpu utilization around 20%

    Possibly students don't run queries much or you don't have enough data, or queries are more IO bound rather CPU bound. Load up few gigabytes data, allow joins, sorting, analytical queries with group by, add up custom aggregators etc. 😊 then run parallel queries.

    Here is a screenshot on that $18/year vps
    running Windows 11 Enterprise, SQL Server database server and SSMS client on the same VPS

    That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory
    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    How isn't this possible on a Linux based OS when you can actually remove the GUI overhead and just remotely access the database?...

    Try something similar on Linux desktop on a vps with 2.5 gb memory.

    I will be happy to be proven wrong.

    I can run similar setup on 1gb vps if database queries are being run on a remote machine.

    No need to run any 'desktop' to access a MYSQL server. Half your RAM and CPU are likely being eaten by Windows GUI leaving less resources for computing. Think through what you are saying when you likely know the difference in resource usage for both desktop environments.

    Most tests point to Linux being slightly quicker than Windows for this use case scenario. I trust you've done your research already.

  • gksgks Member

    @techdragon said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @gks said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @skorous said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @barbaros said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Here is YABS for my $18.63/year vir**** VPS

    3x vCores Ryzen 5950x
    2.5 GB
    110 GB NVMe
    8 TB Monthly Bandwidth
    

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4263369/#Comment_4263369

    Nice beast if you are allowed to use it.

    Windows 11 Enterprise OS with SQL Server database server running on that vps

    Have you tried allowing it to beat the shit out of it's swap and cpu for an hour?

    it is $18 / year VPS .... not the $5/month one and should be used accordingly
    Using VPS for students database projects

    I try to keep average cpu utilization around 20%

    Possibly students don't run queries much or you don't have enough data, or queries are more IO bound rather CPU bound. Load up few gigabytes data, allow joins, sorting, analytical queries with group by, add up custom aggregators etc. 😊 then run parallel queries.

    Here is a screenshot on that $18/year vps
    running Windows 11 Enterprise, SQL Server database server and SSMS client on the same VPS

    That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory
    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    How isn't this possible on a Linux based OS when you can actually remove the GUI overhead and just remotely access the database?...

    There are smart client, does not render the rows outside viewport, it means, it does not render all the rows except the one shown on view. I have myself wrote as many views like this in VC++/MFC, later .NET/Winforms/WPF, then in React/HTML5 etc.

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited January 2025

    @gks said:

    @techdragon said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @gks said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @skorous said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @barbaros said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Here is YABS for my $18.63/year vir**** VPS

    3x vCores Ryzen 5950x
    2.5 GB
    110 GB NVMe
    8 TB Monthly Bandwidth
    

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4263369/#Comment_4263369

    Nice beast if you are allowed to use it.

    Windows 11 Enterprise OS with SQL Server database server running on that vps

    Have you tried allowing it to beat the shit out of it's swap and cpu for an hour?

    it is $18 / year VPS .... not the $5/month one and should be used accordingly
    Using VPS for students database projects

    I try to keep average cpu utilization around 20%

    Possibly students don't run queries much or you don't have enough data, or queries are more IO bound rather CPU bound. Load up few gigabytes data, allow joins, sorting, analytical queries with group by, add up custom aggregators etc. 😊 then run parallel queries.

    Here is a screenshot on that $18/year vps
    running Windows 11 Enterprise, SQL Server database server and SSMS client on the same VPS

    That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory
    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    How isn't this possible on a Linux based OS when you can actually remove the GUI overhead and just remotely access the database?...

    There are smart client, does not render the rows outside viewport, it means, it does not render all the rows except the one shown on view. I have myself wrote as many views like this in VC++/MFC, later .NET/Winforms/WPF, then in React/HTML5 etc.

    of course, smart clients are pretty common.

    My post was in response to your post with respect to large query set ... please read in that context
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4266300/#Comment_4266300

    As I mentioned in post earlier, my point was to highlight that vps is powerful enough to return large set.

    Thanked by 1gks
  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited January 2025

    Here is similar setup on a tiny VPS
    1 vCore and just 1 GB memory

    Windows RDP + SQL Server + SSMS (db client) on same tiny server

    ps - minimum 2gb memory is needed to install SQL Server DB on a linux machine

  • ralfralf Member
    edited January 2025

    @dev_vps said:

    @gks said:

    @techdragon said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @gks said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @skorous said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @barbaros said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Here is YABS for my $18.63/year vir**** VPS

    3x vCores Ryzen 5950x
    2.5 GB
    110 GB NVMe
    8 TB Monthly Bandwidth
    

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4263369/#Comment_4263369

    Nice beast if you are allowed to use it.

    Windows 11 Enterprise OS with SQL Server database server running on that vps

    Have you tried allowing it to beat the shit out of it's swap and cpu for an hour?

    it is $18 / year VPS .... not the $5/month one and should be used accordingly
    Using VPS for students database projects

    I try to keep average cpu utilization around 20%

    Possibly students don't run queries much or you don't have enough data, or queries are more IO bound rather CPU bound. Load up few gigabytes data, allow joins, sorting, analytical queries with group by, add up custom aggregators etc. 😊 then run parallel queries.

    Here is a screenshot on that $18/year vps
    running Windows 11 Enterprise, SQL Server database server and SSMS client on the same VPS

    That is pushing the VPS to the limit since VPS has only 2.5 GB memory
    Similar setup is not possible on Linux based OS running SQL Server and trying to retrieve 5 million rows

    How isn't this possible on a Linux based OS when you can actually remove the GUI overhead and just remotely access the database?...

    There are smart client, does not render the rows outside viewport, it means, it does not render all the rows except the one shown on view. I have myself wrote as many views like this in VC++/MFC, later .NET/Winforms/WPF, then in React/HTML5 etc.

    of course, smart clients are pretty common.

    My post was in response to your post with respect to large query set ... please read in that context
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4266300/#Comment_4266300

    As I mentioned in post earlier, my point was to highlight that vps is powerful enough to return large set.

    As I replied to you, it's NOT returning the whole set, because the GUI will be using the cursor API, so it will do a fresh query every time the window is shown and the database engine will only return the rows requested.

    Try taking any programming language, connect to the same database and do the same query and see how long it takes to fetch the entire dataset back.

    EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't be so argumentative, as there's a chance it might actually be fetching all rows. Usually though, GUI tools especially ones shipped with the SQL engine, are usually clever enough to optimise this by using the cursor API.

    Thanked by 3gks dev_vps admax
  • @ralf
    Please look at this screenshot
    100k rows took only 1 second
    2 million rows took 11 seconds
    The SSMS gui window is showing only 25 rows in the visible window

  • ralfralf Member
    edited January 2025

    Anyway, as for Linux stuff. I'm going to "cheat" and use sqlite3 because it's really fast. Also, I only have one machine with mariadb on and it's doing something important and I don't want to set up a new instance. I also don't have any GUI tools for either sqlite3 or mariadb because I do everything command line.

    I've no idea about your schema, but here's a query on that does something similar one of my databases in Linux done from the command line. I've changed the table name and column names manually, but none of these fields are indexed as they are essentially random properties of the records (b can also be null):

    $ time sqlite3 main.db "select * from x order by a,b,c" | wc -l
    361110
    
    real    0m0.633s
    user    0m0.604s
    sys     0m0.048s
    

    That's actually returning quite a lot of columns, let's try something smaller:

    $ time sqlite3 main.db "select id,a,b,c from x order by a,b,c" | wc -l
    361110
    
    real    0m0.321s
    user    0m0.266s
    sys     0m0.059s
    

    And here's what some of that data looks like:

    $ sqlite3 main.db "select id,a,b,c from x" | head -10
    674402031042560|86400|3874|169343
    674402031042561|86400|3264|86400
    674402031042562|86400|97692|86400
    674402031042563|11059200|22288|5529600
    674402031042564|1935359|7439|5529600
    674402031042565|1198002|5198|3422864
    674402031042566|705317|5511|2015192
    674402031042567|2137968|5036|6108480
    674402031042568|1680313|3636|4800896
    674402031042569|2548627|7566|7281792
    
    Thanked by 2dev_vps admax
  • water is wet

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