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To LVM or not to LVM

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  • @tfgp99 said:

    @MS said:
    ⠀̵̨̨̡̢̧̧̭̳͖̗̭̝͚̳͈̜̭̞͕͚̹͇̣͈͍̣̭͕̳̲̙̭̗̖̻̟̰̬͓͉̮̭̞̠̠͙̫̜̜̦͈͔͈̱̖̓́̋̈̂̍̕͜͜⠀̶̧̡̢̡̢̘̤̜͇̠̻͈̠̖̖̙̦͉̹̳̣̳̗͍̜͍͕͔̤̜̟͓͇̗͕̫̟̻̖̈̅͐̓͂͊͂̿̓́͋́̾̏͠͠ͅ⠀̸̨̨̡̧̛͖͎̼̜̗̲̪͓͚̬̥̦̺̠͇̼̜͎̰̠̦͔̥͔̘͉̼̻̺̤̤͉͓̯̯̳̬͔̤̺̮͊͑̿́̋̄̊͆͋̀̆͂̈́͋̅̋́͂͋̅̂̉́̋̈̃̒́̏͌̀̌̓̓͌̑̚̚͘͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝⠀̴̢̢̢̡̢̦̯͚̱̯̲̣̠̣̝̙̻̫̺͎̪̠̹͉̙̦̩̹̯̘͖̭̠̫̰͈̹̰͍͓̱͙̍̉̽́͆̋̑̇̀̎̓̏̍̿̋̚͝ͅͅ⠀̸̨̡̧̛̻̤̺͍̜̜̗͖͙͕̖̦̻̮̩͕̣̥̭̪̝͖̰̮̰̳̭̣̻͕͇̪̣͇̬̜̜̼͍̮̈̊́͗́̃̈̽̑͆͗́̈́̀̇̋͐͆̈́̄͒̏̈́̈́̂̅̊́͂͆͒͆̾̀̂̾̀̿͐̑̅̈́̈̔̂͒̈́̀̏̆̂͊̐̾̾̇̅͛̑͊̾̆͛͋̔̂̀̈́̑̽̚̕̕͘͝ͅͅ⠀̴̨̨̢̡̢̧̰̦̯̹̖͈̭̰̯̤̜̣̣̳̼̬̣̟̼̙̖̲̳̻̥̗̣̫̮̰̩̺͇̗̘͕͍̙̞͓̼̥̖̥̗̲̱̜̬̱͔͖͈̳̲̱̥̟̫̹̝̺̝̙̠́͋̈́̊͘͜ͅͅ⠀̵̡̻̲̙̙̝̖̲̟̬̮͔̳̱̣̲̤̣̘͚̣̹̝̠̜̫̭̗͙̺̝̑̀̿͊̀̇́̈́̃̂͠⠀̷̨̢̧̨̧̧̛͉̺͕̟̘̭̖̼͔̠̮͙͙͍̝͍͍̞͖͕̠̮̯̫̗̺̥͓̗͋̐͌̾̾͂̑̅́̑͆͂̀̀̆̓̽͂̀̇̾̐̒̇̃͋̈́̌̈́̕̕͘̕͠͝ͅͅͅ⠀̷̨̡̡̨̡̢̡̨̢̨̧̧̢̛̛̬̖̲̮̺̜̻̠͚͖̦̖͎͈̤̲͉̮͕͖̪̲̦̩̱͇̣̩̥͕̰̮̘̻̤̭̟̱̯͙͚̦̞̲̩̳̱̻̻͔͎͈̖͔̤͈̜̙̯̖̗̲̱͔̻̬̯͎̹̬̄̀͒̓͗̂̾̉̿͋̓̄̐̿͂̏̉͒̿̓̃̐̌̇̀̂͗̓̓͒̃͌̃́̐̽̓̈́̄͂̋̑͗̕̕̕͜͜͝͝͝͠͠ͅͅ⠀̴̡̨̧̢̻̯̠̰̹̟̪͍͔͇̠̫̩͈͖̣̙̣̔̏̀͂́̒̏̽̍́̄̒̀͆̈̚̚͘̕͝ͅͅ⠀̵̧̧̧̙̖̱͔̱̹͓͎͖̹̬͙͈̙̥̒͑̃̄͋̿͌̆̾̓̀̇̂͘̚̕͠ͅ⠀̵̨̧̛̛̛̛͙͔͓̲̖̜̣͔̗͕̣̠̝͑̈́̂̇̿̊̂̈́̋̎̄̀̀̒̐̇̈̎̀̊͌̌̍̍̆̾̊́̈́̈́́̊͘̕͠⠀̵̢̡̛̦͓̲̗̤̯͙̦͖̜͇̰̼̠̠̞̜̩̗̜̞̮̜̩̣̞̰̥̝͕̝͉̟͉̠̯̳̟͇̻̹̩͖̘̯̝͉̪̔̎̌̔͌̎̓̉̎͗̀̐̀͋̓̂́͆̀́̅͛͌̉͒̐̃̂̂̈͂͛̿̀̕͘̕͘̕͜͝͠͝͝ͅ⠀̷̛̛͗͛̀͋̓̽͘̕̕

    So that font must be Windongs.

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  • @FAT32, somebody removed my Megathread Squad tag. Help!

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ralf said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    What is this shit?

    Swedish

    Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him! :p

    It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

  • @ralf said:

    @tfgp99 said:

    @MS said:
    ⠀̵̨̨̡̢̧̧̭̳͖̗̭̝͚̳͈̜̭̞͕͚̹͇̣͈͍̣̭͕̳̲̙̭̗̖̻̟̰̬͓͉̮̭̞̠̠͙̫̜̜̦͈͔͈̱̖̓́̋̈̂̍̕͜͜⠀̶̧̡̢̡̢̘̤̜͇̠̻͈̠̖̖̙̦͉̹̳̣̳̗͍̜͍͕͔̤̜̟͓͇̗͕̫̟̻̖̈̅͐̓͂͊͂̿̓́͋́̾̏͠͠ͅ⠀̸̨̨̡̧̛͖͎̼̜̗̲̪͓͚̬̥̦̺̠͇̼̜͎̰̠̦͔̥͔̘͉̼̻̺̤̤͉͓̯̯̳̬͔̤̺̮͊͑̿́̋̄̊͆͋̀̆͂̈́͋̅̋́͂͋̅̂̉́̋̈̃̒́̏͌̀̌̓̓͌̑̚̚͘͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝⠀̴̢̢̢̡̢̦̯͚̱̯̲̣̠̣̝̙̻̫̺͎̪̠̹͉̙̦̩̹̯̘͖̭̠̫̰͈̹̰͍͓̱͙̍̉̽́͆̋̑̇̀̎̓̏̍̿̋̚͝ͅͅ⠀̸̨̡̧̛̻̤̺͍̜̜̗͖͙͕̖̦̻̮̩͕̣̥̭̪̝͖̰̮̰̳̭̣̻͕͇̪̣͇̬̜̜̼͍̮̈̊́͗́̃̈̽̑͆͗́̈́̀̇̋͐͆̈́̄͒̏̈́̈́̂̅̊́͂͆͒͆̾̀̂̾̀̿͐̑̅̈́̈̔̂͒̈́̀̏̆̂͊̐̾̾̇̅͛̑͊̾̆͛͋̔̂̀̈́̑̽̚̕̕͘͝ͅͅ⠀̴̨̨̢̡̢̧̰̦̯̹̖͈̭̰̯̤̜̣̣̳̼̬̣̟̼̙̖̲̳̻̥̗̣̫̮̰̩̺͇̗̘͕͍̙̞͓̼̥̖̥̗̲̱̜̬̱͔͖͈̳̲̱̥̟̫̹̝̺̝̙̠́͋̈́̊͘͜ͅͅ⠀̵̡̻̲̙̙̝̖̲̟̬̮͔̳̱̣̲̤̣̘͚̣̹̝̠̜̫̭̗͙̺̝̑̀̿͊̀̇́̈́̃̂͠⠀̷̨̢̧̨̧̧̛͉̺͕̟̘̭̖̼͔̠̮͙͙͍̝͍͍̞͖͕̠̮̯̫̗̺̥͓̗͋̐͌̾̾͂̑̅́̑͆͂̀̀̆̓̽͂̀̇̾̐̒̇̃͋̈́̌̈́̕̕͘̕͠͝ͅͅͅ⠀̷̨̡̡̨̡̢̡̨̢̨̧̧̢̛̛̬̖̲̮̺̜̻̠͚͖̦̖͎͈̤̲͉̮͕͖̪̲̦̩̱͇̣̩̥͕̰̮̘̻̤̭̟̱̯͙͚̦̞̲̩̳̱̻̻͔͎͈̖͔̤͈̜̙̯̖̗̲̱͔̻̬̯͎̹̬̄̀͒̓͗̂̾̉̿͋̓̄̐̿͂̏̉͒̿̓̃̐̌̇̀̂͗̓̓͒̃͌̃́̐̽̓̈́̄͂̋̑͗̕̕̕͜͜͝͝͝͠͠ͅͅ⠀̴̡̨̧̢̻̯̠̰̹̟̪͍͔͇̠̫̩͈͖̣̙̣̔̏̀͂́̒̏̽̍́̄̒̀͆̈̚̚͘̕͝ͅͅ⠀̵̧̧̧̙̖̱͔̱̹͓͎͖̹̬͙͈̙̥̒͑̃̄͋̿͌̆̾̓̀̇̂͘̚̕͠ͅ⠀̵̨̧̛̛̛̛͙͔͓̲̖̜̣͔̗͕̣̠̝͑̈́̂̇̿̊̂̈́̋̎̄̀̀̒̐̇̈̎̀̊͌̌̍̍̆̾̊́̈́̈́́̊͘̕͠⠀̵̢̡̛̦͓̲̗̤̯͙̦͖̜͇̰̼̠̠̞̜̩̗̜̞̮̜̩̣̞̰̥̝͕̝͉̟͉̠̯̳̟͇̻̹̩͖̘̯̝͉̪̔̎̌̔͌̎̓̉̎͗̀̐̀͋̓̂́͆̀́̅͛͌̉͒̐̃̂̂̈͂͛̿̀̕͘̕͘̕͜͝͠͝͝ͅ⠀̷̛̛͗͛̀͋̓̽͘̕̕

    So that font must be Windongs.

    Even Edge user!

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  • ralfralf Member
    edited January 2025

    @emgh said:

    @ralf said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    What is this shit?

    Swedish

    Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him! :p

    It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

    You say tomato...

    EDIT: I saw the på and decided that was Swedish because of the å. Now I look more closely I can see tæller which I guess means not Swedish as I don't think you have the æ.

    Thanked by 2emgh Saragoldfarb
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ralf said:

    @emgh said:

    @ralf said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    What is this shit?

    Swedish

    Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him! :p

    It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

    You say tomato...

    Hot take

    Thanked by 3ralf admax Saragoldfarb
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ralf said: If you start with LVM and don't allocate the entire disk, you can try both approaches and see what you like best. Even after running both ways on different machines for over 2 years, I still haven't decided which I prefer.

    Valid take

    Thank you

    Thanked by 2admax Saragoldfarb
  • ralfralf Member
    edited January 2025

    Oh, and LVM everything except /boot. Well, maybe. I realised that I don't like having anything running on the host itself, so my root partition is around 10-15GB.

    All I run on my Hetzner dedi is libvirt, wireguard and sshd (that's been firewalled down so it rejects all SSH except from a few whitelisted IPs and my internal wireguard subnets). I then just have a bunch of netfilter scripts to use iptables to forward services to the relevant VMs.

    I wasn't disciplined enough with my first dedi, so as well as the VMs, it also has a massive LV for borg backup data and I use an account on there as my primary workspace. I really dislike this set-up, and I keep thinking of moving both to VMs, but I know it'll be painful. At least I can just pass through the existing LVM partition through as a second drive to the new borg VM when I do that.

    Not sure about all the people running into problems with LVM to be honest. I ran the "unsupported way" of encrypted LVM for about 10 years on a laptop until it physically fell to pieces (so LVM inside of LUKS, rather than the recommended way the other way round). I've got the same setup on my Hetzner dedi and using LVM on several other linux machines over the years, and never had any problems except in the very early days when the standard rescue image didn't support both LUKS and LVM.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ralf very useful, thanks! <3

    Thanked by 2ralf Saragoldfarb
  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    Soo lvm or no lvm?

    Thanked by 3emgh admax Saragoldfarb
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited January 2025

    @plumberg said:
    Soo lvm or no lvm?

    On this dedi, no LVM (for now)

    On another dedi or a VM, experiment with LVM to grasp it

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @emgh said:

    @plumberg said:
    Soo lvm or no lvm?

    On this dedi, no LVM (for now)

    On another dedi or a VM, experiment with LVM to grasp it

    Fancy pants plans to use a dedi to experiment with lvm.

    Thanked by 2emgh admax
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @plumberg said:

    @emgh said:

    @plumberg said:
    Soo lvm or no lvm?

    On this dedi, no LVM (for now)

    On another dedi or a VM, experiment with LVM to grasp it

    Fancy pants plans to use a dedi to experiment with lvm.

    I have two dedis paid for the month and only need to keep one

    So one's unused for sexy sexy long time "for free"

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ralf since you said "my first dedi" - how many you got?

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  • @emgh said:
    @ralf since you said "my first dedi" - how many you got?

    Currently 2, one OVH original KS-LE-1 and one Hetzner i9-9900k. I've had a couple of KS-1's over the years, and also all my Linux machines at home are setup with LVM as a matter of course, even if I'm not doing software RAID.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @ralf said:
    OVH original KS-LE-1

    Will suspend you after one spam.

    Hetzner i9-9900k

    Will disable your account upon high traffic usage.

    Cancel both and buy QuickPacket.
    They will drive 4 hours to repair your server.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited January 2025

    @yoursunny said: Cancel both and buy QuickPacket.

    @qps u price match brudda ?

    edit: US only? meh :(

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    VirtFusion + OVH vRacks is such a clean setup goddam

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  • darkimmortaldarkimmortal Member
    edited January 2025

    @emgh said:
    @barbaros get your take in here instead of DM’ing about Calin

    @FAT32 @maverick @darkimmortal get your smart takes in here

    If you’re comfy with managing resizing/snapshots/etc, put each vm disk rawdogged into an lv

    LVM everything (except ESP), unless you are encrypting then also excluding /boot

    Consider 1.0 metadata raid 1 on unpartitioned disks, or raid10f2 with 64k-ish blocks - basic bitch raid 1 is the worst of both worlds as you have to manually duplicate ESP/partitions and have no extra performance to show for it

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited January 2025

    @darkimmortal said: managing resizing/snapshots/etc, put each vm disk rawdogged into an lv

    LVM everything (except ESP), unless you are encrypting then also excluding /boot

    Consider 1.0 metadata partitionless raid 1, or raid10f2 with 64k-ish blocks - basic bitch raid 1 is the worst of both worlds as you have to manually duplicate ESP/partitions and have no extra performance to show for it

    thanks, will look into this

    you dropped this:

    👑

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  • DrNutellaDrNutella Member
    edited January 2025

    I voted no.

    DO IT

    we look forward to awesomeness from @emgh

  • bdlbdl Member

    @emgh is the original LuVMan

    Thanked by 2emgh Saragoldfarb
  • @emgh said:

    @plumberg said:
    Summer or fall launch?

    That will help make an accurate vote

    PRIVATE USE

    Emghhosting when?

    Thanked by 2emgh Saragoldfarb
  • @emgh said:

    @ralf said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    What is this shit?

    Swedish

    Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him! :p

    It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

    It’s same language anyways with some minor changes. Why make it a big deal?

    Thanked by 2emgh Saragoldfarb
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @barbaros said:

    @emgh said:

    @ralf said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    What is this shit?

    Swedish

    Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him! :p

    It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

    It’s same language anyways with some minor changes. Why make it a big deal?

    Until you move out from your mom’s you don’t get a say

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @barbaros said:

    @emgh said:

    @plumberg said:
    Summer or fall launch?

    That will help make an accurate vote

    PRIVATE USE

    Emghhosting when?

    As soon as you buy a VPS

  • There is no reason not to LVM… pretty much what @ralf and @darkimmortal said. I’m always using LVM and it being the default for some distros should proof its widespread and reliability.

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  • @MS said:
    ⠀̵̨̨̡̢̧̧̭̳͖̗̭̝͚̳͈̜̭̞͕͚̹͇̣͈͍̣̭͕̳̲̙̭̗̖̻̟̰̬͓͉̮̭̞̠̠͙̫̜̜̦͈͔͈̱̖̓́̋̈̂̍̕͜͜⠀̶̧̡̢̡̢̘̤̜͇̠̻͈̠̖̖̙̦͉̹̳̣̳̗͍̜͍͕͔̤̜̟͓͇̗͕̫̟̻̖̈̅͐̓͂͊͂̿̓́͋́̾̏͠͠ͅ⠀̸̨̨̡̧̛͖͎̼̜̗̲̪͓͚̬̥̦̺̠͇̼̜͎̰̠̦͔̥͔̘͉̼̻̺̤̤͉͓̯̯̳̬͔̤̺̮͊͑̿́̋̄̊͆͋̀̆͂̈́͋̅̋́͂͋̅̂̉́̋̈̃̒́̏͌̀̌̓̓͌̑̚̚͘͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝⠀̴̢̢̢̡̢̦̯͚̱̯̲̣̠̣̝̙̻̫̺͎̪̠̹͉̙̦̩̹̯̘͖̭̠̫̰͈̹̰͍͓̱͙̍̉̽́͆̋̑̇̀̎̓̏̍̿̋̚͝ͅͅ⠀̸̨̡̧̛̻̤̺͍̜̜̗͖͙͕̖̦̻̮̩͕̣̥̭̪̝͖̰̮̰̳̭̣̻͕͇̪̣͇̬̜̜̼͍̮̈̊́͗́̃̈̽̑͆͗́̈́̀̇̋͐͆̈́̄͒̏̈́̈́̂̅̊́͂͆͒͆̾̀̂̾̀̿͐̑̅̈́̈̔̂͒̈́̀̏̆̂͊̐̾̾̇̅͛̑͊̾̆͛͋̔̂̀̈́̑̽̚̕̕͘͝ͅͅ⠀̴̨̨̢̡̢̧̰̦̯̹̖͈̭̰̯̤̜̣̣̳̼̬̣̟̼̙̖̲̳̻̥̗̣̫̮̰̩̺͇̗̘͕͍̙̞͓̼̥̖̥̗̲̱̜̬̱͔͖͈̳̲̱̥̟̫̹̝̺̝̙̠́͋̈́̊͘͜ͅͅ⠀̵̡̻̲̙̙̝̖̲̟̬̮͔̳̱̣̲̤̣̘͚̣̹̝̠̜̫̭̗͙̺̝̑̀̿͊̀̇́̈́̃̂͠⠀̷̨̢̧̨̧̧̛͉̺͕̟̘̭̖̼͔̠̮͙͙͍̝͍͍̞͖͕̠̮̯̫̗̺̥͓̗͋̐͌̾̾͂̑̅́̑͆͂̀̀̆̓̽͂̀̇̾̐̒̇̃͋̈́̌̈́̕̕͘̕͠͝ͅͅͅ⠀̷̨̡̡̨̡̢̡̨̢̨̧̧̢̛̛̬̖̲̮̺̜̻̠͚͖̦̖͎͈̤̲͉̮͕͖̪̲̦̩̱͇̣̩̥͕̰̮̘̻̤̭̟̱̯͙͚̦̞̲̩̳̱̻̻͔͎͈̖͔̤͈̜̙̯̖̗̲̱͔̻̬̯͎̹̬̄̀͒̓͗̂̾̉̿͋̓̄̐̿͂̏̉͒̿̓̃̐̌̇̀̂͗̓̓͒̃͌̃́̐̽̓̈́̄͂̋̑͗̕̕̕͜͜͝͝͝͠͠ͅͅ⠀̴̡̨̧̢̻̯̠̰̹̟̪͍͔͇̠̫̩͈͖̣̙̣̔̏̀͂́̒̏̽̍́̄̒̀͆̈̚̚͘̕͝ͅͅ⠀̵̧̧̧̙̖̱͔̱̹͓͎͖̹̬͙͈̙̥̒͑̃̄͋̿͌̆̾̓̀̇̂͘̚̕͠ͅ⠀̵̨̧̛̛̛̛͙͔͓̲̖̜̣͔̗͕̣̠̝͑̈́̂̇̿̊̂̈́̋̎̄̀̀̒̐̇̈̎̀̊͌̌̍̍̆̾̊́̈́̈́́̊͘̕͠⠀̵̢̡̛̦͓̲̗̤̯͙̦͖̜͇̰̼̠̠̞̜̩̗̜̞̮̜̩̣̞̰̥̝͕̝͉̟͉̠̯̳̟͇̻̹̩͖̘̯̝͉̪̔̎̌̔͌̎̓̉̎͗̀̐̀͋̓̂́͆̀́̅͛͌̉͒̐̃̂̂̈͂͛̿̀̕͘̕͘̕͜͝͠͝͝ͅ⠀̷̛̛͗͛̀͋̓̽͘̕̕

    noisy!

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  • @emgh said:

    @barbaros said:

    @emgh said:

    @plumberg said:
    Summer or fall launch?

    That will help make an accurate vote

    PRIVATE USE

    Emghhosting when?

    As soon as you buy a VPS

    To what degree may we blast your ports?

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @ralf said:

    @emgh said:

    @barbaros said:

    @emgh said:

    @plumberg said:
    Summer or fall launch?

    That will help make an accurate vote

    PRIVATE USE

    Emghhosting when?

    As soon as you buy a VPS

    To what degree may we blast your ports?

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