To LVM or not to LVM

ralf

@tfgp99 said:

@MS said:
⠀̵̨̨̡̢̧̧̭̳͖̗̭̝͚̳͈̜̭̞͕͚̹͇̣͈͍̣̭͕̳̲̙̭̗̖̻̟̰̬͓͉̮̭̞̠̠͙̫̜̜̦͈͔͈̱̖̓́̋̈̂̍̕͜͜⠀̶̧̡̢̡̢̘̤̜͇̠̻͈̠̖̖̙̦͉̹̳̣̳̗͍̜͍͕͔̤̜̟͓͇̗͕̫̟̻̖̈̅͐̓͂͊͂̿̓́͋́̾̏͠͠ͅ⠀̸̨̨̡̧̛͖͎̼̜̗̲̪͓͚̬̥̦̺̠͇̼̜͎̰̠̦͔̥͔̘͉̼̻̺̤̤͉͓̯̯̳̬͔̤̺̮͊͑̿́̋̄̊͆͋̀̆͂̈́͋̅̋́͂͋̅̂̉́̋̈̃̒́̏͌̀̌̓̓͌̑̚̚͘͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝⠀̴̢̢̢̡̢̦̯͚̱̯̲̣̠̣̝̙̻̫̺͎̪̠̹͉̙̦̩̹̯̘͖̭̠̫̰͈̹̰͍͓̱͙̍̉̽́͆̋̑̇̀̎̓̏̍̿̋̚͝ͅͅ⠀̸̨̡̧̛̻̤̺͍̜̜̗͖͙͕̖̦̻̮̩͕̣̥̭̪̝͖̰̮̰̳̭̣̻͕͇̪̣͇̬̜̜̼͍̮̈̊́͗́̃̈̽̑͆͗́̈́̀̇̋͐͆̈́̄͒̏̈́̈́̂̅̊́͂͆͒͆̾̀̂̾̀̿͐̑̅̈́̈̔̂͒̈́̀̏̆̂͊̐̾̾̇̅͛̑͊̾̆͛͋̔̂̀̈́̑̽̚̕̕͘͝ͅͅ⠀̴̨̨̢̡̢̧̰̦̯̹̖͈̭̰̯̤̜̣̣̳̼̬̣̟̼̙̖̲̳̻̥̗̣̫̮̰̩̺͇̗̘͕͍̙̞͓̼̥̖̥̗̲̱̜̬̱͔͖͈̳̲̱̥̟̫̹̝̺̝̙̠́͋̈́̊͘͜ͅͅ⠀̵̡̻̲̙̙̝̖̲̟̬̮͔̳̱̣̲̤̣̘͚̣̹̝̠̜̫̭̗͙̺̝̑̀̿͊̀̇́̈́̃̂͠⠀̷̨̢̧̨̧̧̛͉̺͕̟̘̭̖̼͔̠̮͙͙͍̝͍͍̞͖͕̠̮̯̫̗̺̥͓̗͋̐͌̾̾͂̑̅́̑͆͂̀̀̆̓̽͂̀̇̾̐̒̇̃͋̈́̌̈́̕̕͘̕͠͝ͅͅͅ⠀̷̨̡̡̨̡̢̡̨̢̨̧̧̢̛̛̬̖̲̮̺̜̻̠͚͖̦̖͎͈̤̲͉̮͕͖̪̲̦̩̱͇̣̩̥͕̰̮̘̻̤̭̟̱̯͙͚̦̞̲̩̳̱̻̻͔͎͈̖͔̤͈̜̙̯̖̗̲̱͔̻̬̯͎̹̬̄̀͒̓͗̂̾̉̿͋̓̄̐̿͂̏̉͒̿̓̃̐̌̇̀̂͗̓̓͒̃͌̃́̐̽̓̈́̄͂̋̑͗̕̕̕͜͜͝͝͝͠͠ͅͅ⠀̴̡̨̧̢̻̯̠̰̹̟̪͍͔͇̠̫̩͈͖̣̙̣̔̏̀͂́̒̏̽̍́̄̒̀͆̈̚̚͘̕͝ͅͅ⠀̵̧̧̧̙̖̱͔̱̹͓͎͖̹̬͙͈̙̥̒͑̃̄͋̿͌̆̾̓̀̇̂͘̚̕͠ͅ⠀̵̨̧̛̛̛̛͙͔͓̲̖̜̣͔̗͕̣̠̝͑̈́̂̇̿̊̂̈́̋̎̄̀̀̒̐̇̈̎̀̊͌̌̍̍̆̾̊́̈́̈́́̊͘̕͠⠀̵̢̡̛̦͓̲̗̤̯͙̦͖̜͇̰̼̠̠̞̜̩̗̜̞̮̜̩̣̞̰̥̝͕̝͉̟͉̠̯̳̟͇̻̹̩͖̘̯̝͉̪̔̎̌̔͌̎̓̉̎͗̀̐̀͋̓̂́͆̀́̅͛͌̉͒̐̃̂̂̈͂͛̿̀̕͘̕͘̕͜͝͠͝͝ͅ⠀̷̛̛͗͛̀͋̓̽͘̕̕

So that font must be Windongs.

_MS_

@FAT32, somebody removed my Megathread Squad tag. Help!

emgh

@ralf said:

@emgh said:

@Saragoldfarb said:
What is this shit?

Swedish

Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him!

It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

tfgp99

@ralf said:

@tfgp99 said:

@MS said:
⠀̵̨̨̡̢̧̧̭̳͖̗̭̝͚̳͈̜̭̞͕͚̹͇̣͈͍̣̭͕̳̲̙̭̗̖̻̟̰̬͓͉̮̭̞̠̠͙̫̜̜̦͈͔͈̱̖̓́̋̈̂̍̕͜͜⠀̶̧̡̢̡̢̘̤̜͇̠̻͈̠̖̖̙̦͉̹̳̣̳̗͍̜͍͕͔̤̜̟͓͇̗͕̫̟̻̖̈̅͐̓͂͊͂̿̓́͋́̾̏͠͠ͅ⠀̸̨̨̡̧̛͖͎̼̜̗̲̪͓͚̬̥̦̺̠͇̼̜͎̰̠̦͔̥͔̘͉̼̻̺̤̤͉͓̯̯̳̬͔̤̺̮͊͑̿́̋̄̊͆͋̀̆͂̈́͋̅̋́͂͋̅̂̉́̋̈̃̒́̏͌̀̌̓̓͌̑̚̚͘͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝⠀̴̢̢̢̡̢̦̯͚̱̯̲̣̠̣̝̙̻̫̺͎̪̠̹͉̙̦̩̹̯̘͖̭̠̫̰͈̹̰͍͓̱͙̍̉̽́͆̋̑̇̀̎̓̏̍̿̋̚͝ͅͅ⠀̸̨̡̧̛̻̤̺͍̜̜̗͖͙͕̖̦̻̮̩͕̣̥̭̪̝͖̰̮̰̳̭̣̻͕͇̪̣͇̬̜̜̼͍̮̈̊́͗́̃̈̽̑͆͗́̈́̀̇̋͐͆̈́̄͒̏̈́̈́̂̅̊́͂͆͒͆̾̀̂̾̀̿͐̑̅̈́̈̔̂͒̈́̀̏̆̂͊̐̾̾̇̅͛̑͊̾̆͛͋̔̂̀̈́̑̽̚̕̕͘͝ͅͅ⠀̴̨̨̢̡̢̧̰̦̯̹̖͈̭̰̯̤̜̣̣̳̼̬̣̟̼̙̖̲̳̻̥̗̣̫̮̰̩̺͇̗̘͕͍̙̞͓̼̥̖̥̗̲̱̜̬̱͔͖͈̳̲̱̥̟̫̹̝̺̝̙̠́͋̈́̊͘͜ͅͅ⠀̵̡̻̲̙̙̝̖̲̟̬̮͔̳̱̣̲̤̣̘͚̣̹̝̠̜̫̭̗͙̺̝̑̀̿͊̀̇́̈́̃̂͠⠀̷̨̢̧̨̧̧̛͉̺͕̟̘̭̖̼͔̠̮͙͙͍̝͍͍̞͖͕̠̮̯̫̗̺̥͓̗͋̐͌̾̾͂̑̅́̑͆͂̀̀̆̓̽͂̀̇̾̐̒̇̃͋̈́̌̈́̕̕͘̕͠͝ͅͅͅ⠀̷̨̡̡̨̡̢̡̨̢̨̧̧̢̛̛̬̖̲̮̺̜̻̠͚͖̦̖͎͈̤̲͉̮͕͖̪̲̦̩̱͇̣̩̥͕̰̮̘̻̤̭̟̱̯͙͚̦̞̲̩̳̱̻̻͔͎͈̖͔̤͈̜̙̯̖̗̲̱͔̻̬̯͎̹̬̄̀͒̓͗̂̾̉̿͋̓̄̐̿͂̏̉͒̿̓̃̐̌̇̀̂͗̓̓͒̃͌̃́̐̽̓̈́̄͂̋̑͗̕̕̕͜͜͝͝͝͠͠ͅͅ⠀̴̡̨̧̢̻̯̠̰̹̟̪͍͔͇̠̫̩͈͖̣̙̣̔̏̀͂́̒̏̽̍́̄̒̀͆̈̚̚͘̕͝ͅͅ⠀̵̧̧̧̙̖̱͔̱̹͓͎͖̹̬͙͈̙̥̒͑̃̄͋̿͌̆̾̓̀̇̂͘̚̕͠ͅ⠀̵̨̧̛̛̛̛͙͔͓̲̖̜̣͔̗͕̣̠̝͑̈́̂̇̿̊̂̈́̋̎̄̀̀̒̐̇̈̎̀̊͌̌̍̍̆̾̊́̈́̈́́̊͘̕͠⠀̵̢̡̛̦͓̲̗̤̯͙̦͖̜͇̰̼̠̠̞̜̩̗̜̞̮̜̩̣̞̰̥̝͕̝͉̟͉̠̯̳̟͇̻̹̩͖̘̯̝͉̪̔̎̌̔͌̎̓̉̎͗̀̐̀͋̓̂́͆̀́̅͛͌̉͒̐̃̂̂̈͂͛̿̀̕͘̕͘̕͜͝͠͝͝ͅ⠀̷̛̛͗͛̀͋̓̽͘̕̕

So that font must be Windongs.

Even Edge user!

ralf

@emgh said:

@ralf said:

@emgh said:

@Saragoldfarb said:
What is this shit?

Swedish

Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him!

It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

You say tomato...

EDIT: I saw the på and decided that was Swedish because of the å. Now I look more closely I can see tæller which I guess means not Swedish as I don't think you have the æ.

emgh

@ralf said:

@emgh said:

@ralf said:

@emgh said:

@Saragoldfarb said:
What is this shit?

Swedish

Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him!

It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

You say tomato...

Hot take

emgh

@ralf said: If you start with LVM and don't allocate the entire disk, you can try both approaches and see what you like best. Even after running both ways on different machines for over 2 years, I still haven't decided which I prefer.

Valid take

Thank you

ralf

Oh, and LVM everything except /boot. Well, maybe. I realised that I don't like having anything running on the host itself, so my root partition is around 10-15GB.

All I run on my Hetzner dedi is libvirt, wireguard and sshd (that's been firewalled down so it rejects all SSH except from a few whitelisted IPs and my internal wireguard subnets). I then just have a bunch of netfilter scripts to use iptables to forward services to the relevant VMs.

I wasn't disciplined enough with my first dedi, so as well as the VMs, it also has a massive LV for borg backup data and I use an account on there as my primary workspace. I really dislike this set-up, and I keep thinking of moving both to VMs, but I know it'll be painful. At least I can just pass through the existing LVM partition through as a second drive to the new borg VM when I do that.

Not sure about all the people running into problems with LVM to be honest. I ran the "unsupported way" of encrypted LVM for about 10 years on a laptop until it physically fell to pieces (so LVM inside of LUKS, rather than the recommended way the other way round). I've got the same setup on my Hetzner dedi and using LVM on several other linux machines over the years, and never had any problems except in the very early days when the standard rescue image didn't support both LUKS and LVM.

emgh

@ralf very useful, thanks!

plumberg

Soo lvm or no lvm?

emgh

@plumberg said:
Soo lvm or no lvm?

On this dedi, no LVM (for now)

On another dedi or a VM, experiment with LVM to grasp it

plumberg

@emgh said:

@plumberg said:
Soo lvm or no lvm?

On this dedi, no LVM (for now)

On another dedi or a VM, experiment with LVM to grasp it

Fancy pants plans to use a dedi to experiment with lvm.

emgh

@plumberg said:

@emgh said:

@plumberg said:
Soo lvm or no lvm?

On this dedi, no LVM (for now)

On another dedi or a VM, experiment with LVM to grasp it

Fancy pants plans to use a dedi to experiment with lvm.

I have two dedis paid for the month and only need to keep one

So one's unused for sexy sexy long time "for free"

emgh

@ralf since you said "my first dedi" - how many you got?

ralf

@emgh said:
@ralf since you said "my first dedi" - how many you got?

Currently 2, one OVH original KS-LE-1 and one Hetzner i9-9900k. I've had a couple of KS-1's over the years, and also all my Linux machines at home are setup with LVM as a matter of course, even if I'm not doing software RAID.

yoursunny

@ralf said:
OVH original KS-LE-1

Will suspend you after one spam.

Hetzner i9-9900k

Will disable your account upon high traffic usage.

Cancel both and buy QuickPacket.
They will drive 4 hours to repair your server.

emgh

@yoursunny said: Cancel both and buy QuickPacket.

@qps u price match brudda ?

edit: US only? meh

emgh

VirtFusion + OVH vRacks is such a clean setup goddam

darkimmortal

@emgh said:
@barbaros get your take in here instead of DM’ing about Calin

@FAT32 @maverick @darkimmortal get your smart takes in here

If you’re comfy with managing resizing/snapshots/etc, put each vm disk rawdogged into an lv

LVM everything (except ESP), unless you are encrypting then also excluding /boot

Consider 1.0 metadata raid 1 on unpartitioned disks, or raid10f2 with 64k-ish blocks - basic bitch raid 1 is the worst of both worlds as you have to manually duplicate ESP/partitions and have no extra performance to show for it

emgh

@darkimmortal said: managing resizing/snapshots/etc, put each vm disk rawdogged into an lv

LVM everything (except ESP), unless you are encrypting then also excluding /boot

Consider 1.0 metadata partitionless raid 1, or raid10f2 with 64k-ish blocks - basic bitch raid 1 is the worst of both worlds as you have to manually duplicate ESP/partitions and have no extra performance to show for it

thanks, will look into this

you dropped this:

👑

DrNutella

I voted no.

DO IT

we look forward to awesomeness from @emgh

bdl

@emgh is the original LuVMan

barbaros

@emgh said:

@plumberg said:
Summer or fall launch?

That will help make an accurate vote

PRIVATE USE

Emghhosting when?

barbaros

@emgh said:

@ralf said:

@emgh said:

@Saragoldfarb said:
What is this shit?

Swedish

Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him!

It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

It’s same language anyways with some minor changes. Why make it a big deal?

emgh

@barbaros said:

@emgh said:

@ralf said:

@emgh said:

@Saragoldfarb said:
What is this shit?

Swedish

Talking of which, I just got an email from @SilverCreek asking me to rate the provisioning of the server last week. In Swedish. Not sure what I did to offend him!

It wasn’t in swedish it was in danish!!!!!!

It’s same language anyways with some minor changes. Why make it a big deal?

Until you move out from your mom’s you don’t get a say

emgh

@barbaros said:

@emgh said:

@plumberg said:
Summer or fall launch?

That will help make an accurate vote

PRIVATE USE

Emghhosting when?

As soon as you buy a VPS

Wolf

There is no reason not to LVM… pretty much what @ralf and @darkimmortal said. I’m always using LVM and it being the default for some distros should proof its widespread and reliability.

hyperblast

@MS said:
⠀̵̨̨̡̢̧̧̭̳͖̗̭̝͚̳͈̜̭̞͕͚̹͇̣͈͍̣̭͕̳̲̙̭̗̖̻̟̰̬͓͉̮̭̞̠̠͙̫̜̜̦͈͔͈̱̖̓́̋̈̂̍̕͜͜⠀̶̧̡̢̡̢̘̤̜͇̠̻͈̠̖̖̙̦͉̹̳̣̳̗͍̜͍͕͔̤̜̟͓͇̗͕̫̟̻̖̈̅͐̓͂͊͂̿̓́͋́̾̏͠͠ͅ⠀̸̨̨̡̧̛͖͎̼̜̗̲̪͓͚̬̥̦̺̠͇̼̜͎̰̠̦͔̥͔̘͉̼̻̺̤̤͉͓̯̯̳̬͔̤̺̮͊͑̿́̋̄̊͆͋̀̆͂̈́͋̅̋́͂͋̅̂̉́̋̈̃̒́̏͌̀̌̓̓͌̑̚̚͘͜͜͝͝͝͝͝͝⠀̴̢̢̢̡̢̦̯͚̱̯̲̣̠̣̝̙̻̫̺͎̪̠̹͉̙̦̩̹̯̘͖̭̠̫̰͈̹̰͍͓̱͙̍̉̽́͆̋̑̇̀̎̓̏̍̿̋̚͝ͅͅ⠀̸̨̡̧̛̻̤̺͍̜̜̗͖͙͕̖̦̻̮̩͕̣̥̭̪̝͖̰̮̰̳̭̣̻͕͇̪̣͇̬̜̜̼͍̮̈̊́͗́̃̈̽̑͆͗́̈́̀̇̋͐͆̈́̄͒̏̈́̈́̂̅̊́͂͆͒͆̾̀̂̾̀̿͐̑̅̈́̈̔̂͒̈́̀̏̆̂͊̐̾̾̇̅͛̑͊̾̆͛͋̔̂̀̈́̑̽̚̕̕͘͝ͅͅ⠀̴̨̨̢̡̢̧̰̦̯̹̖͈̭̰̯̤̜̣̣̳̼̬̣̟̼̙̖̲̳̻̥̗̣̫̮̰̩̺͇̗̘͕͍̙̞͓̼̥̖̥̗̲̱̜̬̱͔͖͈̳̲̱̥̟̫̹̝̺̝̙̠́͋̈́̊͘͜ͅͅ⠀̵̡̻̲̙̙̝̖̲̟̬̮͔̳̱̣̲̤̣̘͚̣̹̝̠̜̫̭̗͙̺̝̑̀̿͊̀̇́̈́̃̂͠⠀̷̨̢̧̨̧̧̛͉̺͕̟̘̭̖̼͔̠̮͙͙͍̝͍͍̞͖͕̠̮̯̫̗̺̥͓̗͋̐͌̾̾͂̑̅́̑͆͂̀̀̆̓̽͂̀̇̾̐̒̇̃͋̈́̌̈́̕̕͘̕͠͝ͅͅͅ⠀̷̨̡̡̨̡̢̡̨̢̨̧̧̢̛̛̬̖̲̮̺̜̻̠͚͖̦̖͎͈̤̲͉̮͕͖̪̲̦̩̱͇̣̩̥͕̰̮̘̻̤̭̟̱̯͙͚̦̞̲̩̳̱̻̻͔͎͈̖͔̤͈̜̙̯̖̗̲̱͔̻̬̯͎̹̬̄̀͒̓͗̂̾̉̿͋̓̄̐̿͂̏̉͒̿̓̃̐̌̇̀̂͗̓̓͒̃͌̃́̐̽̓̈́̄͂̋̑͗̕̕̕͜͜͝͝͝͠͠ͅͅ⠀̴̡̨̧̢̻̯̠̰̹̟̪͍͔͇̠̫̩͈͖̣̙̣̔̏̀͂́̒̏̽̍́̄̒̀͆̈̚̚͘̕͝ͅͅ⠀̵̧̧̧̙̖̱͔̱̹͓͎͖̹̬͙͈̙̥̒͑̃̄͋̿͌̆̾̓̀̇̂͘̚̕͠ͅ⠀̵̨̧̛̛̛̛͙͔͓̲̖̜̣͔̗͕̣̠̝͑̈́̂̇̿̊̂̈́̋̎̄̀̀̒̐̇̈̎̀̊͌̌̍̍̆̾̊́̈́̈́́̊͘̕͠⠀̵̢̡̛̦͓̲̗̤̯͙̦͖̜͇̰̼̠̠̞̜̩̗̜̞̮̜̩̣̞̰̥̝͕̝͉̟͉̠̯̳̟͇̻̹̩͖̘̯̝͉̪̔̎̌̔͌̎̓̉̎͗̀̐̀͋̓̂́͆̀́̅͛͌̉͒̐̃̂̂̈͂͛̿̀̕͘̕͘̕͜͝͠͝͝ͅ⠀̷̛̛͗͛̀͋̓̽͘̕̕

noisy!

ralf

@emgh said:

@barbaros said:

@emgh said:

@plumberg said:
Summer or fall launch?

That will help make an accurate vote

PRIVATE USE

Emghhosting when?

As soon as you buy a VPS

To what degree may we blast your ports?

emgh

@ralf said:

@emgh said:

@barbaros said:

@emgh said:

@plumberg said:
Summer or fall launch?

That will help make an accurate vote

PRIVATE USE

Emghhosting when?

As soon as you buy a VPS

To what degree may we blast your ports?

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