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  • lukast__lukast__ Member, Megathread Squad

    @Freek said:
    I bought a ProHosting24 VPS via a transfer. I see the following cronjob attached to my server in my Control Panel:

    Is this a default/standard cron job? If so, I assume it's recommended to keep it?

    That cronjob was also at my VPS, so I guess it's there by default. It's mostly advantageous for the provider, as fstrim trims unused blocks so that those (usually) don't use actual space on the hypervisor.
    For a normal user, it's basically irrelevant whether it's enabled or not unless you plan to make compressed full disk backups.

  • maverickmaverick Member
    edited December 2024

    @lukast__ said: That cronjob was also at my VPS, so I guess it's there by default. It's mostly advantageous for the provider, as fstrim trims unused blocks so that those (usually) don't use actual space on the hypervisor.

    No, I don't think that is really true. Doing TRIM from time to time is an instruction to SSD/NVMe device directly, which helps its garbage collection to be more effective. Which in theory eventually translates to better performance for customers (especially during write operations). Though its probably hard to measure.

    I deleted that cronjob as soon as I found it, because modern Linux OS already takes care of periodic fstrim, so there's no need to run it from 2 places. You can check it like this: systemctl list-timers fstrim and if it says 1 timers listes, unit fstrim.timer activates fstrim.service, it's already happening.

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  • lukast__lukast__ Member, Megathread Squad

    @maverick said: No, I don't think that is really true. Doing TRIM from time to time is an instruction to SSD/NVMe device directly, which helps its garbage collection to be more effective. Which in theory eventually translates to better performance for customers (especially during write operations). Though its probably hard to measure.

    I could be totally wrong here, but as far as I understand it, as the trim happens inside of the VPS, it only signals the host system that the space is unused (if one uses qcow2 or sparse raw images and has discard set to on/unmap (see https://www.qemu.org/docs/master/system/qemu-manpage.html), the space will be reclaimed), and an trim on the host system is necessary independently.
    This website seems to support that:

    Discard support was initially added to tell SSDs what data can be cleaned and re-used (SSDs call it ‘TRIM’), to preserve performance and extend drive lifetime (allowing better wear levelling). The same methods can also be used to allow a VM to tell it’s host what part of it’s storage is no longer required. This allows the host to actually regain free space when guest machines do.

    Thanked by 3maverick loay emgh
  • maverickmaverick Member

    @lukast__ said:

    @maverick said: No, I don't think that is really true. Doing TRIM from time to time is an instruction to SSD/NVMe device directly, which helps its garbage collection to be more effective. Which in theory eventually translates to better performance for customers (especially during write operations). Though its probably hard to measure.

    I could be totally wrong here, but as far as I understand it, as the trim happens inside of the VPS, it only signals the host system that the space is unused (if one uses qcow2 or sparse raw images and has discard set to on/unmap (see https://www.qemu.org/docs/master/system/qemu-manpage.html), the space will be reclaimed), and an trim on the host system is necessary independently.
    This website seems to support that:

    Discard support was initially added to tell SSDs what data can be cleaned and re-used (SSDs call it ‘TRIM’), to preserve performance and extend drive lifetime (allowing better wear levelling). The same methods can also be used to allow a VM to tell it’s host what part of it’s storage is no longer required. This allows the host to actually regain free space when guest machines do.

    Well, the info you have collected quite strongly indicates that probably I'm the one that is totally wrong here, not you. :D

    Yeah, in these heavily virtualized environment you can't trust anything, it seems. If TRIM from VM is converted to sparsification of the VM disk image on the host, then you're actually totally right that it helps provider to overcommit disk. And I'm not forgetting that the disk is actually also virtualized, it's CEPH, and god knows what it does with TRIM request, if those are even reaching it?! :D

    OK, it seems that we can agree that we're not sure what really happens under the hood.

    BTW, thanks a lot for the BF megathread statistics, really appreciate the effort!

    Thanked by 2lukast__ emgh
  • itachikonohaitachikonoha Member
    edited December 2024

    @maverick said:

    @lukast__ said: That cronjob was also at my VPS, so I guess it's there by default. It's mostly advantageous for the provider, as fstrim trims unused blocks so that those (usually) don't use actual space on the hypervisor.

    No, I don't think that is really true. Doing TRIM from time to time is an instruction to SSD/NVMe device directly, which helps its garbage collection to be more effective. Which in theory eventually translates to better performance for customers (especially during write operations). Though its probably hard to measure.

    I deleted that cronjob as soon as I found it, because modern Linux OS already takes care of periodic fstrim, so there's no need to run it from 2 places. You can check it like this: systemctl list-timers fstrim and if it says 1 timers listes, unit fstrim.timer activates fstrim.service, it's already happening.

    A post from @maverick without gif and Sydney Sweeny?

    That's something never seen before.

    Thanked by 2maverick emgh
  • FalzoFalzo Member

    @maverick yes, trim inside the guest can be used to resparse the underlying image. No uncertainty in that 😉

    In large storage arrays this makes a lot of sense to keep everything tidy. Also can help with keeping backup sizes at bay etc.

    Thanked by 2maverick lukast__
  • ehabehab Member

    i am bumping up this old one

    need to pressure prohosting24 to open a top up promotion for limited time.

    i did write a support ticket and if there is multiple interest then it can happen.

    regards all

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  • silunsilun Member

    I'll be happy to just order the BF special offers again, even without the top up bonus! I missed those :(

  • ehabehab Member
    edited December 2024

    i will bump this

    and tag
    @ProHosting24

    until they

  • itsTomHarperitsTomHarper Member, Megathread Squad

    @ehab said:
    i will bump this

    and tag
    @ProHosting24

    until they

    You just want the extra top up promo or a server?

  • balaji_pitchumanibalaji_pitchumani Member

    Top Up Promo for me :)

  • glitchglitch Member

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @ehab said:
    i will bump this

    and tag
    @ProHosting24

    until they

    You just want the extra top up promo or a server?

  • FalzoFalzo Member

    Top up promo is indeed something very nice. I'd join @ProHosting24 😉

  • ehabehab Member

    we ping @ProHosting24

    until

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  • ehabehab Member
    edited December 2024

    @itsTomHarper said:
    You just want the extra top up promo or a server?

    i want the top up, server, the sandwiches anything in the fridge.

    and why r u wearing a hoodie now?

  • itsTomHarperitsTomHarper Member, Megathread Squad

    @ehab said:

    @itsTomHarper said:
    You just want the extra top up promo or a server?

    i want the top up, server, the sandwiches anything in the fridge.

    and why r u wearing a hoodie now?

    I've an idle server with them 4.95 Euro Epyc Genoa deal, renewed like a few days ago. DM me if you want that.

    P.S it's cold out here dude

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  • ehabehab Member

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @ehab said:

    @itsTomHarper said:
    You just want the extra top up promo or a server?

    i want the top up, server, the sandwiches anything in the fridge.

    and why r u wearing a hoodie now?

    I've an idle server with them 4.95 Euro Epyc Genoa deal, renewed like a few days ago. DM me if you want that.

    P.S it's cold out here dude

    Thanks a lot for the idea. no plans for another idler yet.

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  • 56IDC56IDC Member

    @itsTomHarper said:

    @ehab said:

    @itsTomHarper said:
    You just want the extra top up promo or a server?

    i want the top up, server, the sandwiches anything in the fridge.

    and why r u wearing a hoodie now?

    I've an idle server with them 4.95 Euro Epyc Genoa deal, renewed like a few days ago. DM me if you want that.

    P.S it's cold out here dude

    may i get this idle server?

  • bias13bias13 Member

    restok

  • gksgks Member

    @Falzo said:
    Top up promo is indeed something very nice. I'd join @ProHosting24 😉

    I found them good. In fact, I had to chase to get this time, my adventure for KS OVH dedi failed. I wish 32 GB spec

  • maxexxmaxexx Member

    @bias13 said:
    restok

    I am also waiting...

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  • gksgks Member

    @maxexx said:

    @bias13 said:
    restok

    I am also waiting...

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    Hope they may offer another offer soon. If people who bought during Black Friday did not renew, or new stock, would add more benefits.

  • ehabehab Member
    edited December 2024

    this is my megathread now

    i share a short

    https://youtube.com/shorts/vqtD-iebbkI?si=VVVmbEt7oSAUQ-BU

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  • ehabehab Member

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  • Michal212Michal212 Member

    @ProHosting24 i need 4c/16gb/200gb) @4,95€ VPS Deal

  • ehabehab Member

    got a reply from ticket that they will not be releasing any topping up promotions.

    we let this thread sink.

    Thanked by 5lukast__ vr10 plumberg Whoa Falzo
  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @ehab said:
    got a reply from ticket that they will not be releasing any topping up promotions.

    we let this thread sink.

    Really? That's a missed boat.

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    How is their service @ehab

  • gksgks Member

    @plumberg said:
    How is their service @ehab

    I had for a year, they are good. renewed them for year. I go yearly payment, forget after that until a year.

    Thanked by 1plumberg
  • ehabehab Member

    @plumberg said:
    How is their service @ehab

    tickets they answer.
    straight to the point "no BS" which is great and thats how i like it.
    for now i will add yabs for you later.
    been idle for 1 month now.

    Thanked by 2plumberg Falzo
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