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  • @bassetts said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @bassetts said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @Petey_Long said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @Petey_Long said:
    @alfirous said:
    Hello @jar until when the deals last?

    @jar: Early Cyber Monday promo VERY LIMITED QUANTITY:

    @jar: Grab these while they're hot, I'm not likely to do this again.

    I managed to pick up a package last night so if it's still available, probably wouldn't play chicken with time.

    Large storage BF sale was there since Dec 1st. There is no Cyber Monday flash sale I think. Hoped to get one. :(

    What were you hoping to pick up?

    There was a black friday flash sale on main thread. 25GB , $10/3yr. Sold out while trying to register account. :p

    https://accounts.mxroute.com/index.php?/cart/black-friday-2024/&id=256

    Is 25GB $10/yr paid triennially. It's honestly worth every penny, you won't regret it.

    You mean the link you posted? the link above is $30/3yr. Flash sale was for $10/3yr.

    Yes, it's $30/3yr so $10/yr. I know it's 3x the flash sale price but it's completely worth it and already a good price. The flash sale was insanity and I doubt you'll see that price again.

    @jar told he might consider a Cyber Monday flash sale, if the 80%storage coupons sold out. Unfortunately they didn't , so he dropped plans.

  • @COLBYLICIOUS said:
    I might want to transfer the 6$/3yr 25gb plan to anybody.

    Thanks this post if you are interested, if it's demand I might do it.

    I am very very interested, maybe also can gather the others who also have idle MXroute account.

  • MetroVPS_NMPMetroVPS_NMP Host Rep, Veteran

    @jar said:

    @ypmLA77zcs said:

    @jar said:

    @Mahfuz_SS_EHL said:
    Just for learning @jar ,

    The SPF of MXRoute is chained like:

    mxlogin.com > _s00002163.mxroute.com > mxroute.com > spf-c.mailbaby.net > _spf-c_flat.mailbaby.net > forward.mxroute.com

    This is increasing DNS Lookup Count & exceeding 10 Lookups may result into "permerror". We might need to use some more providers. Is there any way at your end to optimize your SPF to what extend it can be done ?

    You can use an SPF flattening service like autospf. I feel our number of lookups is fair, though can be optimized a little. Most use include:mxroute.com.

    Hi @jar, the IAI (Important Account Information) email I got back in 2021 states I should use:

    v=spf1 include:mxlogin.com -all

    Are you saying I should simply replace mxlogin.com with mxroute.com in the above and leave everything else the same? Or is this server / account dependent?

    TIA

    Nothing wrong with either. Don’t need to change anything.

    Using mxlogin.com just adds two more lookups, nothing else.

  • @Petey_Long said:

    My Black Friday buddy @tototo !

    Actually, you can do so without purchase :)

    https://accounts.mxroute.com/index.php?/clientarea/

    Just click "Create account"

    Thank you! But I got this :D

    You can create an account only during the order

  • @COLBYLICIOUS said:
    I might want to transfer the 6$/3yr 25gb plan to anybody.

    Thanks this post if you are interested, if it's demand I might do it.

    I'm interested, please do it 🎉💖

  • I was also hoping for the $10/3 year deal, but didn't get it in time. I don't need full email hosting, just an smtp server for personal mail. It's ok, though.

  • Petey_LongPetey_Long Barred
    edited December 2024

    @tototo said:

    @Petey_Long said:

    My Black Friday buddy @tototo !

    Actually, you can do so without purchase :)

    https://accounts.mxroute.com/index.php?/clientarea/

    Just click "Create account"

    Thank you! But I got this :D

    You can create an account only during the order

    Welp, that's changed! Sorry about that man, you're 100% right. Guess stopping the bots at the gate is the best way to go.

    If anything, @jar is an accommodating guy. I'm sure he'd be able to get something arranged.

    Thanked by 2tototo xpress7
  • @Petey_Long said:

    @tototo said:

    @Petey_Long said:

    My Black Friday buddy @tototo !

    Actually, you can do so without purchase :)

    https://accounts.mxroute.com/index.php?/clientarea/

    Just click "Create account"

    Thank you! But I got this :D

    You can create an account only during the order

    Welp, that's changed! Sorry about that man, you're 100% right. Guess stopping the bots at the gate is the best way to go.

    Well, I can't trouble Jar with something that doesn't bring even a penny of profit, so I'll wait for next year's flash sale.
    That aside, you've extended a helping hand to many people through Hetrixtools Giveaways, and you're trying to do the same for us here. I really have to thank you.

    Thanked by 2xpress7 Petey_Long
  • Petey_LongPetey_Long Barred
    edited December 2024

    @tototo said: Well, I can't trouble Jar with something that doesn't bring even a penny of profit,

    See, that's one of the things about the guy. Doesn't matter if you're on the lowest end package or you're paying enough for his kids to get braces and go to college, you're getting the same, solid guy that's here every day shootin' the breeze (He might like you a bit moreso if you're a subscriber than just some guy here) but you get the gist of it.

    That aside, you've extended a helping hand to many people through Hetrixtools Giveaways, and you're trying to do the same for us here. I really have to thank you.

    That's what a community is all about. Even better when you can put good people with good people.

    Thanked by 3xpress7 tototo user123
  • @Petey_Long said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @Petey_Long said:
    @alfirous said:
    Hello @jar until when the deals last?

    @jar: Early Cyber Monday promo VERY LIMITED QUANTITY:

    @jar: Grab these while they're hot, I'm not likely to do this again.

    I managed to pick up a package last night so if it's still available, probably wouldn't play chicken with time.

    Large storage BF sale was there since Dec 1st. There is no Cyber Monday flash sale I think. Hoped to get one. :(

    What were you hoping to pick up?

    @Savvy said:
    So no 10gb deal anymore

    https://accounts.mxroute.com/?cmd=cart&action=add&id=255 - 10gb / $5/year? :)

    Was hoping for something lower as am just gonna idle it anyway no use for it atm, registering beforehand is not possible so i didnt make it in time for the $10 3 year one

  • Do I have to configure DNS for domain I use or does mxroute do the DNS ?

  • @melp57 said:
    Do I have to configure DNS for domain I use or does mxroute do the DNS ?

    MXroute doesn’t provide DNS hosting, you input the provided values to your DNS provider.

    Thanked by 1maverick
  • @melp57 said:
    Do I have to configure DNS for domain I use or does mxroute do the DNS ?

    It's very minimal setup, but you do need to configure a few records (can do this via your domain control panel) - will take you maybe 5 minutes to get set up and running.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    I get that I’m not the newest toy on the block this year but email runs through my blood. Come join me 💜

  • @jar said:
    I get that I’m not the newest toy on the block this year but email runs through my blood. Come join me 💜

    You’re battle tested, I’d take that over the new shiny thing any day.

    Thanked by 3jar adly bdl
  • @bassetts said:

    @jar said:
    I get that I’m not the newest toy on the block this year but email runs through my blood. Come join me 💜

    You’re battle tested, I’d take that over the new shiny thing any day.

    Thanked by 1jar
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    My bad I forgot to say “come join me unless you’re a spammer.” That’s my fault.

  • Petey_LongPetey_Long Barred
    edited December 2024

    @jar said:
    My bad I forgot to say “come join me unless you’re a spammer.” That’s my fault.

    Thanked by 1jar
  • @jar said:
    I get that I’m not the newest toy on the block this year but email runs through my blood. Come join me 💜

    How to make my own backups? Also, are you running automated backups daily?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @lala_th said:

    @jar said:
    I get that I’m not the newest toy on the block this year but email runs through my blood. Come join me 💜

    How to make my own backups? Also, are you running automated backups daily?

    You can backup accounts over IMAP. Our backups are only for disaster recovery.

  • Hi @jar can you check your pm please?

  • JohnFilch123JohnFilch123 Member
    edited December 2024

    @lala_th said:

    @jar said:
    I get that I’m not the newest toy on the block this year but email runs through my blood. Come join me 💜

    How to make my own backups? Also, are you running automated backups daily?

    I use this one and pretty happy, you can crontab it on multiple servers and then do whatever you want with it. It works via IMAP, so needs your password.

    Thanked by 1lala_th
  • @jar said: We've moved to a smarter system called "susranges." Instead of blanket blocking IPs, we now refuse email from suspicious ranges unless it's authenticated or whitelisted. This means legitimate mail servers in otherwise problematic networks (like Comcast) get through, while spam gets blocked. Win-win-win - no negative impact for users or legit mail servers in those ranges, and typically no more spam.

    Going back to this one...

    So it's more or less the Outlook approach of blocking by default? How do you find out about those legitimate mail servers? Presumably, you have some historical data, but what about new ones? Wait for them to contact you because you are blocking them?

    And as far as I can tell those blocked email attempts don't show up in the mail log that you make available to users, so a user has no idea that a potentially legitimate email has been blocked by this. Not sure I'd agree to that being a "win-win-win".

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited December 2024

    @cmeerw said:

    @jar said: We've moved to a smarter system called "susranges." Instead of blanket blocking IPs, we now refuse email from suspicious ranges unless it's authenticated or whitelisted. This means legitimate mail servers in otherwise problematic networks (like Comcast) get through, while spam gets blocked. Win-win-win - no negative impact for users or legit mail servers in those ranges, and typically no more spam.

    Going back to this one...

    So it's more or less the Outlook approach of blocking by default? How do you find out about those legitimate mail servers? Presumably, you have some historical data, but what about new ones? Wait for them to contact you because you are blocking them?

    And as far as I can tell those blocked email attempts don't show up in the mail log that you make available to users, so a user has no idea that a potentially legitimate email has been blocked by this. Not sure I'd agree to that being a "win-win-win".

    Nah, Outlook uses a reputation based system in which everyone starts at 0 and you drop slowly for not being seen often enough. Very different and more passive.

    There’s no need to rush the addition of an ASN into it. I can scan for servers listening on port 25, check reverse DNS, make a list to review. From your position I can see how it might not seem like a slam dunk but there are an incredible number of ASNs out there that provide no benefit to anyone other than spam collectors. The whole of China IPs were pretty easy to get right.

    And sure, mistakes and false positives will occur during the early stages, but it’s at the same or lower rate than false positives occurred at any previous deployment attempt to meet the continual demands that we reduce spam. And in previous attempts there were often no path to exceptions, where this time there are at every stage. Thus far we’re blocking more spam, generating less false positives and complaints than any previous effort, and we’re actively working toward the furthest reduction of false positives and complaints to date. I’m not sure how to play that off as a bad thing.

    Everyone rejects legitimate mail. When Google does it we all agree that it’s the senders fault. When I do it, everyone agrees that it’s my fault. So I have to be the most careful out of anyone at scale. This is my latest solution and I think it’s going to put us on the map for quality filtering.

  • @cmeerw said:

    @jar said: We've moved to a smarter system called "susranges." Instead of blanket blocking IPs, we now refuse email from suspicious ranges unless it's authenticated or whitelisted. This means legitimate mail servers in otherwise problematic networks (like Comcast) get through, while spam gets blocked. Win-win-win - no negative impact for users or legit mail servers in those ranges, and typically no more spam.

    Going back to this one...

    So it's more or less the Outlook approach of blocking by default? How do you find out about those legitimate mail servers? Presumably, you have some historical data, but what about new ones? Wait for them to contact you because you are blocking them?

    And as far as I can tell those blocked email attempts don't show up in the mail log that you make available to users, so a user has no idea that a potentially legitimate email has been blocked by this. Not sure I'd agree to that being a "win-win-win".

    I’m not sure where you got the idea it is blocking by default. Based on the description, only suspect IP ranges (e.g. those that mail shouldn’t be coming from) are affected, and then they can still send mail if authenticated.

    Thanked by 2jar bassetts
  • @adly said:

    @cmeerw said:

    @jar said: We've moved to a smarter system called "susranges." Instead of blanket blocking IPs, we now refuse email from suspicious ranges unless it's authenticated or whitelisted. This means legitimate mail servers in otherwise problematic networks (like Comcast) get through, while spam gets blocked. Win-win-win - no negative impact for users or legit mail servers in those ranges, and typically no more spam.

    Going back to this one...

    So it's more or less the Outlook approach of blocking by default? How do you find out about those legitimate mail servers? Presumably, you have some historical data, but what about new ones? Wait for them to contact you because you are blocking them?

    And as far as I can tell those blocked email attempts don't show up in the mail log that you make available to users, so a user has no idea that a potentially legitimate email has been blocked by this. Not sure I'd agree to that being a "win-win-win".

    I’m not sure where you got the idea it is blocking by default. Based on the description, only suspect IP ranges (e.g. those that mail shouldn’t be coming from) are affected, and then they can still send mail if authenticated.

    I wouldn't think that European datacenter IP ranges from one of the hosters here qualify as "those that mail shouldn't be coming from" - running a legitimate mail server seems to be a perfectly valid use case to me (Google seems to be fine accepting mail from there, and Outlook as well after doing the "mitigation" dance).

    But "authentication" above refers to end users, not mail servers (as had been clarified previously)

    @jar said: I can scan for servers listening on port 25, check reverse DNS, make a list to review.

    Are you saying it should get automatically whitelisted (after a few failed attempts), or does it need manual intervention?

  • UQWAUQWA Member
    edited December 2024

    What I'm currently focused on is when the permanent post office will stop selling.

  • I have purchased a small one and it seems to be working well. :)

  • @COLBYLICIOUS said:
    I might want to transfer the 6$/3yr 25gb plan to anybody.

    Thanks this post if you are interested, if it's demand I might do it.

    Guys, I am planning to move to other new provider in email world due to suite that he offers but right now it's just only in US, not EU. I am waiting for EU and after that I'll figure it out what to do.

    Thank you for patience, I see the interest in this offer.

    Thanked by 2manuv hyperblast
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited December 2024

    @cmeerw said:

    @adly said:

    @cmeerw said:

    @jar said: We've moved to a smarter system called "susranges." Instead of blanket blocking IPs, we now refuse email from suspicious ranges unless it's authenticated or whitelisted. This means legitimate mail servers in otherwise problematic networks (like Comcast) get through, while spam gets blocked. Win-win-win - no negative impact for users or legit mail servers in those ranges, and typically no more spam.

    Going back to this one...

    So it's more or less the Outlook approach of blocking by default? How do you find out about those legitimate mail servers? Presumably, you have some historical data, but what about new ones? Wait for them to contact you because you are blocking them?

    And as far as I can tell those blocked email attempts don't show up in the mail log that you make available to users, so a user has no idea that a potentially legitimate email has been blocked by this. Not sure I'd agree to that being a "win-win-win".

    I’m not sure where you got the idea it is blocking by default. Based on the description, only suspect IP ranges (e.g. those that mail shouldn’t be coming from) are affected, and then they can still send mail if authenticated.

    I wouldn't think that European datacenter IP ranges from one of the hosters here qualify as "those that mail shouldn't be coming from" - running a legitimate mail server seems to be a perfectly valid use case to me (Google seems to be fine accepting mail from there, and Outlook as well after doing the "mitigation" dance).

    But "authentication" above refers to end users, not mail servers (as had been clarified previously)

    @jar said: I can scan for servers listening on port 25, check reverse DNS, make a list to review.

    Are you saying it should get automatically whitelisted (after a few failed attempts), or does it need manual intervention?

    If 999,999 out of every 1,000,000 connections to port 25 from a network are spam then yes it’s a good hit. Especially if I can whitelist that one exception. Customers are clearly sending me a message: They either want me to get more creative about blocking spam or they want me to exponentially raise their prices so I can poach Google’s AI devs. I think what they want there is the former. No open source tool set, nor licensed one that allows our users to scale like we do, blocks the email my customers want the least of these days without tuning it false positive range.

    All ESPs in otherwise bad networks are intended to be whitelisted as we go. If anyone happens to run a good mail server in a bad network that I missed, and it’s not just a customer of ours that authenticates through us anyway (which, why wouldn’t they? They already pay for it), it’ll be found when someone brings it up in a ticket. That is happening less than tickets about false positives were at any time we’ve ever made a move that was effective against spam. Personally I think that shows we’ve been learning, listening, and improving.

    None of this is theoretical, it’s happening right now that this system improves on every metric that causes customers frustration. If it’s the first of our anti spam efforts to cause you any, be grateful that previous efforts didn’t hit you, don’t take it as an indication that it’s causing more frustration overall. I never said the false positives from each effort hit the same customers equally. I said we’re reducing them dramatically and on a path to virtually destroy them. That claim holds up. Everyone lets spam through, everyone gets false positives. At the end of this effort, I want to be recognized by my customers as doing the least of both. I’m putting in a lot of hours for it and the results have not been surprising compared to my expectations.

    Again I don’t want to be given less consideration than Google. When Google forced SPF/DKIM users everywhere saw email rejected in massive quantities. They were false positives in that they weren’t all spam. We’re all going to cause false positives. We’re all going to interrupt someone’s business to meet customer demands of spam reduction. If they can do it without hardly anyone blaming them, I expect that to at least be remembered while I work toward virtually zero false positives and a massive reduction in spam. Because this is the least disruptive and most effective effort I’ve made in the last decade. It took me a decade of failing at it to get here, I’m damn proud. Humbled of course by the failures to get this right, but completely convinced by the numbers that I’m on the right path.

    Thanked by 3adly maverick bassetts
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