Kimsufi/Soyoustart/OVH Rise New Price

wuck · December 2024

@emgh said:

@wuck said:
Yea I just tried too and looks like they have 0 NVMe stock

I know the MONDAY deals are the LE line, and not these ones

But you have to give it to OVH, running promos only on out of stock servers is smart

Yea that "MONDAY" deal was useless af with their 0 stock, still requested them to apply that code to the one I got days before that

emgh · December 2024

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

wuck · December 2024

A fresh YABS of LE-3, could get better 4k without ZFS but convenient snapshot make it appealing

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Tue Dec  3 12:05:25 CET 2024

Basic System Information:
---------------------------------
Uptime     : 9 days, 18 hours, 6 minutes
Processor  : AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-Core Processor
CPU cores  : 16 @ 4851.000 MHz
AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
RAM        : 62.7 GiB
Swap       : 4.0 GiB
Disk       : 1.5 GiB
Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Kernel     : 6.1.0-27-amd64
VM Type    : NONE
IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online

IPv6 Network Information:
---------------------------------
ISP        : OVH SAS
ASN        : AS16276 OVH SAS
Host       : OVH
Location   : Roubaix, Hauts-de-France (HDF)
Country    : France

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition zp0/zd0):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 379.48 MB/s  (94.8k) | 3.84 GB/s    (60.0k)
Write      | 380.48 MB/s  (95.1k) | 3.86 GB/s    (60.3k)
Total      | 759.97 MB/s (189.9k) | 7.71 GB/s   (120.4k)
           |                      |                     
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 2.44 GB/s     (4.7k) | 2.64 GB/s     (2.5k)
Write      | 2.57 GB/s     (5.0k) | 2.81 GB/s     (2.7k)
Total      | 5.02 GB/s     (9.8k) | 5.46 GB/s     (5.3k)

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
-----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 970 Mbits/sec   | 4.64 Gbits/sec  | 4.56 ms        
Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 969 Mbits/sec   | 9.34 Gbits/sec  | 9.03 ms        
Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 868 Mbits/sec   | 1.10 Gbits/sec  | 97.0 ms        
Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | busy            | 195 Mbits/sec   | 159 ms         
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | busy            | 1.24 Gbits/sec  | 136 ms         
Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 898 Mbits/sec   | 2.11 Gbits/sec  | 73.5 ms        
Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 815 Mbits/sec   | 933 Mbits/sec   | 190 ms         

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
-----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 953 Mbits/sec   | 8.69 Gbits/sec  | 4.42 ms        
Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 954 Mbits/sec   | 8.85 Gbits/sec  | 9.02 ms        
Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 858 Mbits/sec   | 459 Mbits/sec   | 96.9 ms        
Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | 824 Mbits/sec   | 840 Mbits/sec   | 159 ms         
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 836 Mbits/sec   | 1.30 Gbits/sec  | 136 ms         
Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 887 Mbits/sec   | 1.88 Gbits/sec  | 73.3 ms        
Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 796 Mbits/sec   | 929 Mbits/sec   | 190 ms         

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value                         
                |                               
Single Core     | 2360                          
Multi Core      | 11341                         
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/9217985

YABS completed in 10 min 50 sec

allthemtings · December 2024

@TomasSystems got 25g on his Advance server btw @emgh he will dig out the yabs when hes home

TomasSystems · December 2024

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

I use Proxmox, just create a second bridge (vmbr1) and add the steps from the OVH guide to that: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-ip-block-vrack?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043337

allthemtings · December 2024

@wuck said:
A fresh YABS of LE-3, could get better 4k without ZFS but convenient snapshot make it appealing

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Tue Dec  3 12:05:25 CET 2024

Basic System Information:
---------------------------------
Uptime     : 9 days, 18 hours, 6 minutes
Processor  : AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-Core Processor
CPU cores  : 16 @ 4851.000 MHz
AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
RAM        : 62.7 GiB
Swap       : 4.0 GiB
Disk       : 1.5 GiB
Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
Kernel     : 6.1.0-27-amd64
VM Type    : NONE
IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online

IPv6 Network Information:
---------------------------------
ISP        : OVH SAS
ASN        : AS16276 OVH SAS
Host       : OVH
Location   : Roubaix, Hauts-de-France (HDF)
Country    : France

fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition zp0/zd0):
---------------------------------
Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 379.48 MB/s  (94.8k) | 3.84 GB/s    (60.0k)
Write      | 380.48 MB/s  (95.1k) | 3.86 GB/s    (60.3k)
Total      | 759.97 MB/s (189.9k) | 7.71 GB/s   (120.4k)
           |                      |                     
Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
  ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
Read       | 2.44 GB/s     (4.7k) | 2.64 GB/s     (2.5k)
Write      | 2.57 GB/s     (5.0k) | 2.81 GB/s     (2.7k)
Total      | 5.02 GB/s     (9.8k) | 5.46 GB/s     (5.3k)

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
-----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 970 Mbits/sec   | 4.64 Gbits/sec  | 4.56 ms        
Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 969 Mbits/sec   | 9.34 Gbits/sec  | 9.03 ms        
Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 868 Mbits/sec   | 1.10 Gbits/sec  | 97.0 ms        
Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | busy            | 195 Mbits/sec   | 159 ms         
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | busy            | 1.24 Gbits/sec  | 136 ms         
Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 898 Mbits/sec   | 2.11 Gbits/sec  | 73.5 ms        
Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 815 Mbits/sec   | 933 Mbits/sec   | 190 ms         

iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
---------------------------------
Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
-----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 953 Mbits/sec   | 8.69 Gbits/sec  | 4.42 ms        
Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 954 Mbits/sec   | 8.85 Gbits/sec  | 9.02 ms        
Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 858 Mbits/sec   | 459 Mbits/sec   | 96.9 ms        
Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | 824 Mbits/sec   | 840 Mbits/sec   | 159 ms         
Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 836 Mbits/sec   | 1.30 Gbits/sec  | 136 ms         
Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 887 Mbits/sec   | 1.88 Gbits/sec  | 73.3 ms        
Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 796 Mbits/sec   | 929 Mbits/sec   | 190 ms         

Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
---------------------------------
Test            | Value                         
                |                               
Single Core     | 2360                          
Multi Core      | 11341                         
Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/9217985

YABS completed in 10 min 50 sec

spicy

emgh · December 2024

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

I use Proxmox, just create a second bridge (vmbr1) and add the steps from the OVH guide to that: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-ip-block-vrack?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043337

Thanks!

Last question before ordering: Do you use the OVH Proxmox template or do you install it yourself using some other method?

allthemtings · December 2024

Doesnt look like Rise-LE-2/3 has been restocked at all really, atleast compared to KS range. I cant see a restock in the past 5+ days

emgh · December 2024

@allthemtings said:
Doesnt look like Rise-LE-2/3 has been restocked at all really, atleast compared to KS range. I cant see a restock in the past 5+ days

Gotta make sure stock is dry before creating a coupon code

allthemtings · December 2024

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:
Doesnt look like Rise-LE-2/3 has been restocked at all really, atleast compared to KS range. I cant see a restock in the past 5+ days

Gotta make sure stock is dry before creating a coupon code

literally

TomasSystems · December 2024

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

I use Proxmox, just create a second bridge (vmbr1) and add the steps from the OVH guide to that: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-ip-block-vrack?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043337

Thanks!

Last question before ordering: Do you use the OVH Proxmox templates or do you install it yourself using some other method?

I whack Debian 12 on it with mdraid (I don't like ZFS) then put Proxmox on top :P

emgh · December 2024

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

I use Proxmox, just create a second bridge (vmbr1) and add the steps from the OVH guide to that: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-ip-block-vrack?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043337

Thanks!

Last question before ordering: Do you use the OVH Proxmox templates or do you install it yourself using some other method?

I whack Debian 12 on it with mdraid (I don't like ZFS) then put Proxmox on top :P

I see, OVH Debian template or your own ISO?

Sorry for the 100 questions lol

wuck · December 2024

@allthemtings said:
Doesnt look like Rise-LE-2/3 has been restocked at all really, atleast compared to KS range. I cant see a restock in the past 5+ days

Yea I haven't seen any restock at all for these, I was expecting that for LE-3 at least good price for what you get

TomasSystems · December 2024

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

I use Proxmox, just create a second bridge (vmbr1) and add the steps from the OVH guide to that: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-ip-block-vrack?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043337

Thanks!

Last question before ordering: Do you use the OVH Proxmox templates or do you install it yourself using some other method?

I whack Debian 12 on it with mdraid (I don't like ZFS) then put Proxmox on top :P

I see, OVH Debian template or your own ISO?

Sorry for the 100 questions lol

no its fine

I use IPMI to install Debian 12

wuck · December 2024

Only downside of these LE server is that they are not customizable even for disk only

Cybr · December 2024

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:
@TomasSystems @Neoon & any other OVH nerds

How is Gravelines vs. Warsaw in terms of route quality, stability & likely to not go up in flames?

Very late to the party....

Warsaw is often routed through FRA anyway, I would avoid it to be honest if network is a big thing.

Go GRA or LIM, they're probably the best locations for routing.

If you need a good link to BHS, go with ERI.

Thanks!!

I changed my mind a few times since

Newest question: If keeping the same IP for as long as possible going forward is important, without being limited by future deals, which EU DC is "least likely" to be a limitation of having my additional IP's bound to? That's far more important to me than having the best routing.

As I understand it, it's either eu-west-gra, eu-west-rbx, and eu-west-sbg or 1 other DC.

If i recall @Cybr was/is in a similar situation needing to keep an ip linked to an old server but they refused to budge on the price of the server despite it being like 3-4 times cheaper now

If you count the recent flash sale they did, it's over 6 times cheaper. I'm being robbed blind.

emgh · December 2024

@Cybr said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:
@TomasSystems @Neoon & any other OVH nerds

How is Gravelines vs. Warsaw in terms of route quality, stability & likely to not go up in flames?

Very late to the party....

Warsaw is often routed through FRA anyway, I would avoid it to be honest if network is a big thing.

Go GRA or LIM, they're probably the best locations for routing.

If you need a good link to BHS, go with ERI.

Thanks!!

I changed my mind a few times since

Newest question: If keeping the same IP for as long as possible going forward is important, without being limited by future deals, which EU DC is "least likely" to be a limitation of having my additional IP's bound to? That's far more important to me than having the best routing.

As I understand it, it's either eu-west-gra, eu-west-rbx, and eu-west-sbg or 1 other DC.

If i recall @Cybr was/is in a similar situation needing to keep an ip linked to an old server but they refused to budge on the price of the server despite it being like 3-4 times cheaper now

If you count the recent flash sale they did, it's over 6 times cheaper. I'm being robbed blind.

You should have consulted with Tomas.

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

I use Proxmox, just create a second bridge (vmbr1) and add the steps from the OVH guide to that: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-ip-block-vrack?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043337

Thanks!

Last question before ordering: Do you use the OVH Proxmox templates or do you install it yourself using some other method?

I whack Debian 12 on it with mdraid (I don't like ZFS) then put Proxmox on top :P

I see, OVH Debian template or your own ISO?

Sorry for the 100 questions lol

no its fine

I use IPMI to install Debian 12

The standard ISO? XFS?

allthemtings · December 2024

@TomasSystems is the OVH Guru

wii747 · December 2024

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

I use Proxmox, just create a second bridge (vmbr1) and add the steps from the OVH guide to that: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-ip-block-vrack?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043337

Thanks!

Last question before ordering: Do you use the OVH Proxmox template or do you install it yourself using some other method?

I installed the ISO version of proxmox, I did not use the template

TomasSystems · December 2024

@emgh said:

@Cybr said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:
@TomasSystems @Neoon & any other OVH nerds

How is Gravelines vs. Warsaw in terms of route quality, stability & likely to not go up in flames?

Very late to the party....

Warsaw is often routed through FRA anyway, I would avoid it to be honest if network is a big thing.

Go GRA or LIM, they're probably the best locations for routing.

If you need a good link to BHS, go with ERI.

Thanks!!

I changed my mind a few times since

Newest question: If keeping the same IP for as long as possible going forward is important, without being limited by future deals, which EU DC is "least likely" to be a limitation of having my additional IP's bound to? That's far more important to me than having the best routing.

As I understand it, it's either eu-west-gra, eu-west-rbx, and eu-west-sbg or 1 other DC.

If i recall @Cybr was/is in a similar situation needing to keep an ip linked to an old server but they refused to budge on the price of the server despite it being like 3-4 times cheaper now

If you count the recent flash sale they did, it's over 6 times cheaper. I'm being robbed blind.

You should have consulted with Tomas.

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said:

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: You can get around this with vRack, but you need a server that supports it, and a minimum of a /30 subnet.

Thanks yet again.

I'd probably need a /30 anyway.

Are these IP's different than additional IP's or can I for example buy a /30 and a server in LIM and cancel it in 2 years and reroute the LIM IP's to a server in GRA using the vRack? Any drawbacks?

The only drawback is out of that /30, only one IP will be usable. Also latency may be higher, as the traffic will first hit LIM, and then it will be routed to GRA via vRack.

When routed in vRack, one is broadcast, one is gateway, and one is the network address.

I see

I'll probably need about 4-5 usable IP's

I can host anywhere in the EU

Keeping the same IP's for long is important

Not losing out on future deals (and retaining the IP's) is important

What would you do in my situation?

I'm thinking France looks good as, right now, I can move IP's between regions, and if I by tomorrow can't, at least I can vRack them and it won't cause a lot extra latency since it'll all be in France

Or should I just get singular additional IP's since it's cheaper because GRA or some other DC likely won't be too limiting going forward and the chances of removing the function of moving of IP's between France DC is low?

Get me the Tomas way and I'll do it

I would say get a /30 or /29 and buy a server in GRA.

GRA is always solid, and network is more reliable than RBX.

But France is the way to go... also most if not all sale servers will be in at least one French DC.

Thanks I will!

Not sure if I'll use Proxmox, Docker, Virtfusion or whatever, but the core concept of:
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/193264/bridged-virtfusion-setup-debian-12

Does that apply as well when using vRack's or is it totally different?

Edit: Found https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/install-proxmox-in-an-ovh-vrack.78810/, seems to be different ways of going about it

I use Proxmox, just create a second bridge (vmbr1) and add the steps from the OVH guide to that: https://help.ovhcloud.com/csm/en-gb-dedicated-servers-ip-block-vrack?id=kb_article_view&sysparm_article=KB0043337

Thanks!

Last question before ordering: Do you use the OVH Proxmox templates or do you install it yourself using some other method?

I whack Debian 12 on it with mdraid (I don't like ZFS) then put Proxmox on top :P

I see, OVH Debian template or your own ISO?

Sorry for the 100 questions lol

no its fine

I use IPMI to install Debian 12

The standard ISO? XFS?

Standard ISO, or using netboot.xyz using ext4.

emgh · December 2024

@TomasSystems said: ext4

This is where I'll deviate

TomasSystems · December 2024

@allthemtings said:
@TomasSystems is the OVH Guru

after years of pain and suffering... that's what happens

wuck · December 2024

@emgh Which advance are you going with ?

emgh · December 2024

@wuck said:
@emgh Which advance are you going with ?

1

not sure about the RAM yet though

depends on if I'll start a summer host now that I'm getting the CPU for it

anyone wants a piece of the box?

allthemtings · December 2024

@emgh said:

@wuck said:
@emgh Which advance are you going with ?

1

not sure about the RAM yet though

depends on if I'll start a summer host now that I'm getting the CPU for it

anyone wants a piece of the box?

7$ take it or leave it

wuck · December 2024

@emgh said:

@wuck said:
@emgh Which advance are you going with ?

1

not sure about the RAM yet though

depends on if I'll start a summer host now that I'm getting the CPU for it

anyone wants a piece of the box?

Gotta get that 64gb sweet spot

emgh · December 2024

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@wuck said:
@emgh Which advance are you going with ?

1

not sure about the RAM yet though

depends on if I'll start a summer host now that I'm getting the CPU for it

anyone wants a piece of the box?

7$ take it or leave it

monthly can do

depending on whats specs you need

my it s providaar

emgh · December 2024

@wuck said:

@emgh said:

@wuck said:
@emgh Which advance are you going with ?

1

not sure about the RAM yet though

depends on if I'll start a summer host now that I'm getting the CPU for it

anyone wants a piece of the box?

Gotta get that 64gb sweet spot

hmmm that leaves SOME room for tenants

emgh · December 2024

Do you guys do one separate Proxmox install per server or do you centralize it in some way

Never used Proxmox ever which is quite sad

nullnothere · December 2024

@emgh said:

@TomasSystems said: ext4

This is where I'll deviate

To what?

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