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Kimsufi/Soyoustart/OVH Rise New Price

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  • yoppyopp Member
    edited November 2024

    What the point limiting API orders? They are earning money renting servers out: any server that is just sitting in the rack is just burning money and make them look bad at the next earning call.

    So they really want to sell as much as they possibly can. Most of sold stock will be sitting using 30-60 kW•h a month plus some minuscule amount of datacenter volume, since their servers are mostly custom built for density. It’s revenue that looks good on charts

    I doubt they are going to do shit about it. Heck, I think they won’t ever move a finger to fix something in Order API to avoid overselling the stock.

    My feeling is that they are keeping orders purely for 3 reasons:

    a) it’s a bloody mess for customer support and sales people right now
    b) it’s free PR and hype around. Quite crappy Black Friday server line went out of stock in a jiffy, because of FOMO they have created with flash sale
    c) they have shitload of done sales. if they have any kind of stock in their pipeline to fulfill orders, but it’s up to logistics, why bother canceling them?

    All this mess is a HUGE win for them either way

  • @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    I think you need to re-align your priorities.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @yopp said: What the point limiting API orders? They are earning money renting servers out: any server that is just sitting in the rack is just burning money and make them look bad at the next earning call.

    It's almost as if you think the KS-A makes them money apart from marketing.

  • @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    There is a lot of "I" and "me" in there... you are right.. it is your anxiety and your need.

    Maybe setting your expectations straight from the beginning would help. A project that depends on getting such a snowflake offer is simply dead before it started.
    Instead of getting anxious, how about starting a realistic project and moving on with your life instead of wasting it by running after some shitty five dollar crap?

    Thanked by 3Wolf OhJohn vranghel
  • @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    I think you need to re-align your priorities.

    maybe, for a living, i need to work and i need servers so.

  • @aryanraj said:

    @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    I think you need to re-align your priorities.

    maybe, for a living, i need to work and i need servers so.

    Are servers your equivalent to a venilator?

  • @Garydavid said:

    @Wolf said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @SwordfishBE said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @SwordfishBE said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @Wolf said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @Neoon said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    Good it should be that way how many people abuse it

    No, you also hitting legit people with one order.
    Like me for example, who waits since 22 days.

    One order? What about all those unpaid ones your bot got that you proudly post screenshots of? I am glad OVH is flagging bot orders

    Nobody is flagging bot orders, what are you even talking about? There is a high chance that staff is not even able to differentiate between API and Website- orders. Talking over OVH here and they honestly could not care less. For now it’s just some publicity stunt and some crying customer who’s desperate for attention - because he ,manually‘ ordered… like many others.

    Crying? Oh you can really see how much I am crying, I sm stating facts bud!
    Let me guess you used a bot to place orders and now you're mad you wont get it

    Bots, users who manual input and people using the website all go through the API. It works and will keep working.
    Stop picking fights!

    You are incorrect, matter of fact they can see

    They don't care. Money is money

    They do care that's why orders are cancelled and refunds will be issued

    Nah. They only care that they oversold the available stock X times and won't be able to honour all orders on time. To clear things up they will simply cancel everything and be (lol) more careful with accepting orders in the future. No word about limiting bots / API access or anything.

    Well they are making changes, in the future they are only allowing 2 KS per client

    https://x.com/olesovhcom/status/1861127782907977985

    I won’t be surprised if they won’t even do that, if it’s not already implemented. because can you imagine amount of human labor required to patch live billing system on their scale? It can easily take a year or so, depending on their software development culture. And my experience with their barely working shit tells me that they are not running it like a startup and it will take a lot of long meetings to just plan this

  • Seems wild to host a new project on a 5$ server, might as well go with a decent VDS that provide better hardware

  • @maverick said:

    @almanac said:

    @maverick said:

    @almanac said:
    I managed to get a KS-LE-1 in RBX with the 3x2TB storage, which is what I'd have ideally gotten at the start.

    It has been delivered too, though no apparent lottery.

    Congrats! How old are the disks?

    Ancient.
    One is at 80k hours, and two are at 70k.

    Still glad for ya, but now also glad I haven't pulled the trigger on that one. :D

    P.S. You can always run RAID-1 over 3 disks, that would make it a quite reliable 2 TB storage. :D

    I'm going to bank on the theory that something spinning for 9 years quite likes it and has 9 years of momentum. Which is totally wrong, but.

    The reality is that they'll get replaced when they need it, and, backups backups backups

    Thanked by 1maverick
  • @Falzo said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    There is a lot of "I" and "me" in there... you are right.. it is your anxiety and your need.

    Maybe setting your expectations straight from the beginning would help. A project that depends on getting such a snowflake offer is simply dead before it started.
    Instead of getting anxious, how about starting a realistic project and moving on with your life instead of wasting it by running after some shitty five dollar crap?

    are you not buying any crap?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @yopp said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @Wolf said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @SwordfishBE said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @SwordfishBE said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @Wolf said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @Neoon said:

    @Garydavid said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    Good it should be that way how many people abuse it

    No, you also hitting legit people with one order.
    Like me for example, who waits since 22 days.

    One order? What about all those unpaid ones your bot got that you proudly post screenshots of? I am glad OVH is flagging bot orders

    Nobody is flagging bot orders, what are you even talking about? There is a high chance that staff is not even able to differentiate between API and Website- orders. Talking over OVH here and they honestly could not care less. For now it’s just some publicity stunt and some crying customer who’s desperate for attention - because he ,manually‘ ordered… like many others.

    Crying? Oh you can really see how much I am crying, I sm stating facts bud!
    Let me guess you used a bot to place orders and now you're mad you wont get it

    Bots, users who manual input and people using the website all go through the API. It works and will keep working.
    Stop picking fights!

    You are incorrect, matter of fact they can see

    They don't care. Money is money

    They do care that's why orders are cancelled and refunds will be issued

    Nah. They only care that they oversold the available stock X times and won't be able to honour all orders on time. To clear things up they will simply cancel everything and be (lol) more careful with accepting orders in the future. No word about limiting bots / API access or anything.

    Well they are making changes, in the future they are only allowing 2 KS per client

    https://x.com/olesovhcom/status/1861127782907977985

    I won’t be surprised if they won’t even do that, if it’s not already implemented. because can you imagine amount of human labor required to patch live billing system on their scale? It can easily take a year or so, depending on their software development culture. And my experience with their barely working shit tells me that they are not running it like a startup and it will take a lot of long meetings to just plan this

    I mean, I agree about them not being very effective, but a simple check against current servers at the time of ordering shouldn't be that complex anyway.

    Although I haven't seen their backend.

  • @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    I think you need to re-align your priorities.

    maybe, for a living, i need to work and i need servers so.

    Are servers your equivalent to a venilator?

    that's depend. do you prefer to get a meal or a server.

  • @aryanraj said:

    @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    I think you need to re-align your priorities.

    maybe, for a living, i need to work and i need servers so.

    Are servers your equivalent to a venilator?

    that's depend. do you prefer to get a meal or a server.

    Was talking to Octave on the phone just now and he said dudes who cook and dudes who slide in his DMs get automatic cancellation on 29th for their KS-A orders.

  • People are now started hating me. Look, i am not rich. and if you all think a $5 crap server priority is not good, don't buy it. for me it is gold. i am buying it. each time i get a chance. i don't resale. i use it for my work.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @sunnyg said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    I think you need to re-align your priorities.

    maybe, for a living, i need to work and i need servers so.

    Are servers your equivalent to a venilator?

    that's depend. do you prefer to get a meal or a server.

    Was talking to Octave on the phone just now and he said dudes who cook and dudes who slide in his DMs get automatic cancellation on 29th for their KS-A orders.

    Oui c'est Octave, une baguette sil-vous-plait

    Poor favour

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @aryanraj said: People are now started hating me.

    Take the internet less serious.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    200 pages soon :D

  • @sunnyg said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @TomasSystems said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    I think you need to re-align your priorities.

    maybe, for a living, i need to work and i need servers so.

    Are servers your equivalent to a venilator?

    that's depend. do you prefer to get a meal or a server.

    Was talking to Octave on the phone just now and he said dudes who cook and dudes who slide in his DMs get automatic cancellation on 29th for their KS-A orders.

    Lmaaao

    PS. Is anybody looking to transfer a SYS-LE-3 ?

  • From OVH's perspective, the KS line must be operating under the principle of it being cheaper to run than remove.

    In which case, you want the customers that require the least support and input. You are charging the bare minimum, so ideally, want to provide them with the bare minimum. Humans may well be their most expensive resource in this case.

    So, a botter buying in bulk, paying their bill and keeping the service going is likely a lot cheaper than trying to support or manage less profitable customers.

    As someone else said, the FOMO and hype also means that they're getting hardware making money again as soon as it becomes available, rather than idling waiting for buyers.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Smith42 said: PS. Is anybody looking to transfer a SYS-LE-3 ?

    If you're open to pay with BTC and not get the server afterwards I'm happy to provide a wallet ID to send crypto to.

    Just let me know.

    Thanked by 2wuck satorik
  • @aryanraj said:
    People are now started hating me. Look, i am not rich. and if you all think a $5 crap server priority is not good, don't buy it. for me it is gold. i am buying it. each time i get a chance. i don't resale. i use it for my work.

    You might want to find a better job first if that’s all you’re getting for whatever it is you’re doing.

    Thanked by 1Falzo
  • @emgh said:

    @Smith42 said: PS. Is anybody looking to transfer a SYS-LE-3 ?

    If you're open to pay with BTC and not get the server afterwards I'm happy to provide a wallet ID to send crypto to.

    Just let me know.

    I can only pay in baguettes

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • @aryanraj said:

    @Falzo said:

    @aryanraj said:

    @Neoon said:
    https://x.com/aryanrajseo/status/1861370876454744478

    So everyone with API order on KS-A gets rekt? gg

    i just sent them a dm. i have some hopes now. don't hate me on api thing, i also tried but failed. no one giving me any server and i need it for my projects. i don't want anyone to get their order canceled. my anxiety with placing manual orders were high, leaving my cooking at the middle. i don't want to get it canceled like that.

    There is a lot of "I" and "me" in there... you are right.. it is your anxiety and your need.

    Maybe setting your expectations straight from the beginning would help. A project that depends on getting such a snowflake offer is simply dead before it started.
    Instead of getting anxious, how about starting a realistic project and moving on with your life instead of wasting it by running after some shitty five dollar crap?

    are you not buying any crap?

    I buy a lot of crap. I just don't depend my living on it, so I don't have to get anxiety over something not even being delivered.

    I can order food, but I can only eat it when it's finally on the table.

  • @aryanraj said:
    People are now started hating me. Look, i am not rich. and if you all think a $5 crap server priority is not good, don't buy it. for me it is gold. i am buying it. each time i get a chance. i don't resale. i use it for my work.

    Chill buddy, nobody hates you nor love you, hope you get your server. So that next time when you cook dont spoil something on yourself to get hurt.

  • @aryanraj said:
    People are now started hating me. Look, i am not rich. and if you all think a $5 crap server priority is not good, don't buy it. for me it is gold. i am buying it. each time i get a chance. i don't resale. i use it for my work.

    How can you do your work on it when you do not even have it?

    You could hope for getting one to do your work, but as long as it isn't in your account, this is just a plan and some hope for future work. Did you spent your estimated savings from that projectvof yours already before you actually earned it?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Smith42 said:

    @emgh said:

    @Smith42 said: PS. Is anybody looking to transfer a SYS-LE-3 ?

    If you're open to pay with BTC and not get the server afterwards I'm happy to provide a wallet ID to send crypto to.

    Just let me know.

    I can only pay in baguettes

    sorry baguettes are illegal where I live

  • @yopp said:
    What the point limiting API orders? They are earning money renting servers out: any server that is just sitting in the rack is just burning money and make them look bad at the next earning call.

    So they really want to sell as much as they possibly can. Most of sold stock will be sitting using 30-60 kW•h a month plus some minuscule amount of datacenter volume, since their servers are mostly custom built for density. It’s revenue that looks good on charts

    I doubt they are going to do shit about it. Heck, I think they won’t ever move a finger to fix something in Order API to avoid overselling the stock.

    My feeling is that they are keeping orders purely for 3 reasons:

    a) it’s a bloody mess for customer support and sales people right now
    b) it’s free PR and hype around. Quite crappy Black Friday server line went out of stock in a jiffy, because of FOMO they have created with flash sale
    c) they have shitload of done sales. if they have any kind of stock in their pipeline to fulfill orders, but it’s up to logistics, why bother canceling them?

    All this mess is a HUGE win for them either way

    In my book it's bad PR if such company can't even have working ordering system that isn't overselling non existent servers and is holding customer's money for weeks. They can generate more hype with selling $10-$15 servers that are actually in stock (and some of them even get free upgrades).

  • What is happening here? Why is everybody angry ? :cold_sweat:

    Thanked by 1xinfx
  • @samm said:
    What is happening here? Why is everybody angry ? :cold_sweat:

    OVH ran out of baguettes

  • i don't want to argue and reply over these things with sudden reaction change. I could be wrong choosing my priority. i buy craps, i complain and yes i may sound stupid. i accept my mistake of running behind a generic server. I am happy to see some positive as i get to talk with the founder to atleast look into this, for me or for others.

    and again, i am buying $5 crap again if they allow me.

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