Kimsufi/Soyoustart/OVH Rise New Price

SteveMC

Smith42

We did it boys. two hunnit pages of crying about a $5 server.

Anto2024

Oh, Octave sended a DM to me lmao about my KS-A order

allthemtings

6 inch or 12 inch baguette?

wii747

xinfx

@Neoon said:

@emgh said:
I'd be EXTREMELY suprised if OVH don't save if an order was made from API or website

Yes, it's based on the same API, I know, but still

So we have to create a bot now that does website orders?

edit:

ahem, ahem that was my idea! I Originally ordered ks-a through a selenium bot

loay

I have this server for transfer (CA account)

KS-LE-1 GRA (upgraded ram and new disks from 2x480 GB to 2x960) - Renewal: $11.05/month

CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1245 V2 @ 3.40GHz
RAM: 31Gi
RAM Type: None
Disks:
sda  disk 894.3G INTEL SSDSC2KB960G8
sdb  disk 894.3G INTEL SSDSC2KB960G8
Disk Power-On Hours:
sda: 10778 hours
sdb: 10778 hours

tfgp99

@Anto2024 said:
Oh, Octave sended a DM to me lmao about my KS-A order

Im sure you're getting it as well, i guess im not gonna get reached.

yopp

@emgh said:

@yopp said: What the point limiting API orders? They are earning money renting servers out: any server that is just sitting in the rack is just burning money and make them look bad at the next earning call.

It's almost as if you think the KS-A makes them money apart from marketing.

I don’t see why they don't make them money. Basically, they stuff "thin-client" level hardware with a bit more memory in racks. Something like GIGABYTE GA-H110M-A, Dell XPS IPSKL-VM or some BMC crap.

Retail price for systems like usually cost like ~500$ per unit retail. Most likely they got it with 20-30% discount. They rented them out for 129$ back in '17. My bet is that they got all their CAPEXes back in the first 18 months. So for the rest of their lifetime they cost them power, connectivity and floor space == peanuts.

So yeah, I'm absolutely sure they are still making them monies

Anto2024

@tfgp99 said:

@Anto2024 said:
Oh, Octave sended a DM to me lmao about my KS-A order

Im sure you're getting it as well, i guess im not gonna get reached.

Let's see tomorrow what will happen

yopp

@jnd said: In my book it's bad PR if such company can't even have working ordering system that isn't overselling non existent servers and is holding customer's money for weeks. They can generate more hype with selling $10-$15 servers that are actually in stock (and some of them even get free upgrades).

Bad PR is when your burning datacenter is uploading client's data to the literal cloud. That's like really bad-bad PR. But hey, do you remember that? Do you like reaaaaaaally care? Nope. We all here still sniping outdated hardware for cheap.

IMO, this one is quite good PR. 200 pages and counting worth of good PR

emgh

@Smith42 said:

@samm said:
What is happening here? Why is everybody angry ?

OVH ran out of baguettes

@yopp said:

@emgh said:

@yopp said: What the point limiting API orders? They are earning money renting servers out: any server that is just sitting in the rack is just burning money and make them look bad at the next earning call.

It's almost as if you think the KS-A makes them money apart from marketing.

I don’t see why they don't make them money. Basically, they stuff "thin-client" level hardware with a bit more memory in racks. Something like GIGABYTE GA-H110M-A, Dell XPS IPSKL-VM or some BMC crap.

Retail price for systems like usually cost like ~500$ per unit retail. Most likely they got it with 20-30% discount. They rented them out for 129$ back in '17. My bet is that they got all their CAPEXes back in the first 18 months. So for the rest of their lifetime they cost them power, connectivity and floor space == peanuts.

So yeah, I'm absolutely sure they are still making them monies

Even ignoring HW, no way €5 pays for electricity, network, cooling, the physical space that it takes up AND support.

It’s for marketing.

It’s clear since other WORSE servers in the Kimsufi line cost more, as well as by its unique naming scheme.

ChillBird

kimsufi servers are less reliable than other Rise, Sys plan. it is always recommended to have a offshore backup of the data. this apply to all Kimsufi range.

allthemtings

@aryanraj said:
kimsufi servers are less reliable than other Rise, Sys plan. it is always recommended to have a offshore backup of the data. this apply to all Kimsufi range.

Even a brand spanking new server could die

Saragoldfarb

@aryanraj said:
kimsufi servers are less reliable than other Rise, Sys plan. it is always recommended to have a offshore backup of the data. this apply to all Kimsufi range.

Well, that applies to any host THB. Overall KS servers give you a lot of bang for your buck.

ChillBird

@Saragoldfarb said:

@aryanraj said:
kimsufi servers are less reliable than other Rise, Sys plan. it is always recommended to have a offshore backup of the data. this apply to all Kimsufi range.

Well, that applies to any host THB. Overall KS servers give you a lot of bang for your buck.

Yes, you are right. this means many new users can buy it and experiment with their projects. kimsufi range are a great options to start with. and as always, do backup. every single time.

emgh

@allthemtings said:

@aryanraj said:
kimsufi servers are less reliable than other Rise, Sys plan. it is always recommended to have a offshore backup of the data. this apply to all Kimsufi range.

Even a brand spanking new server could die

Did someone say spanking

@ehab !!!

itsdeadjim

@aryanraj said: Yes, you are right. this means many new users can buy it and experiment with their projects. kimsufi range are a great options to start with. and as always, do backup. every single time.

Especially disks are in near death experience. Got a KS-2, 4x2TB disks, had to change 2 out of 4. One of them did not sync at normal SATA speed, and the other one gave constant checksum errors on zfs raid scrub, even though SMART was ok on both of them.

ChillBird

@itsdeadjim said:

@aryanraj said: Yes, you are right. this means many new users can buy it and experiment with their projects. kimsufi range are a great options to start with. and as always, do backup. every single time.

Especially disks are in near death experience. Got a KS-2, 4x2TB disks, had to change 2 out of 4. One of them did not sync at normal SATA speed, and the other one gave constant checksum errors on zfs raid scrub, even though SMART was ok on both of them.

i assume sys and rise plans gets into kimsufi range after few years of uses and they replace higher plan with newer hardware. that could be the main reason kimsufi faces issue with hardwares.

Saragoldfarb

@aryanraj said:

i assume sys and rise plans gets into kimsufi range after few years of uses and they replace higher plan with newer hardware. that could be the main reason kimsufi faces issue with hardwares.

Yes, that's basically their business plan. Truth be told though, they have always replaced failing hardware quite quickly in my experience.

fredo1664

@Saragoldfarb said:
Yes, that's basically their business plan. Truth be told though, they have always replaced failing hardware quite quickly in my experience.

They made Powerpoint worthy diagrams of this: https://eco.ovhcloud.com/en/about/
Even the title of the chapter is Powerpoint material: Competitive pricing for a responsible provider

ChillBird

@Saragoldfarb said:

@aryanraj said:

i assume sys and rise plans gets into kimsufi range after few years of uses and they replace higher plan with newer hardware. that could be the main reason kimsufi faces issue with hardwares.

Yes, that's basically their business plan. Truth be told though, they have always replaced failing hardware quite quickly in my experience.

yes they are quick to replace failed hardwares.

ChillBird

@fredo1664 said:

@Saragoldfarb said:
Yes, that's basically their business plan. Truth be told though, they have always replaced failing hardware quite quickly in my experience.

They made Powerpoint worthy diagrams of this: https://eco.ovhcloud.com/en/about/
Even the title of the chapter is Powerpoint material: Competitive pricing for a responsible provider

that's the transparent, easy to understand page for kimsufi servers.

yopp

@emgh said: Even ignoring HW, no way €5 pays for electricity, network, cooling, the physical space that it takes up AND support.

Welcome to magic lang of economy of scales. Math is weird here. This folks have a bloody factory to build custom hardware for this single purpose: make monies on scale. So let's look at money:

FY24:

Revenue: €993m, w/gross margin 38% (cloud is money printing machine)
COGS + OPEX = €336m this is how much it cost to run whole empire day-to-day.

Sadly, they don't publish total area or capacity of all 43 DC's.

But they say BHS+GRA+RBX=896k servers. So gross opex even for just 3 of 43 gives us 375€/yr or €31/mo per server.

Marketing? Sure. Have they lost even a single penny on that? Hiiiiighly unlikely.

SteveMC

Considering that the storage devices are "old", what do you think is the "safer", 3 x SSD or 3 x HDD (in RAID5) ?

plumberg

@SteveMC said:
Considering that the storage devices are "old", what do you think is the "safer", 3 x SSD or 3 x HDD (in RAID5) ?

Nothing is safe.

If you care about your data you will not YOLO and simply have enough backups/ DR plans available.

But yeah, I would go with RAID0, No backups and live one the bleeding edge

fredo1664

@SteveMC said:
Considering that the storage devices are "old", what do you think is the "safer", 3 x SSD or 3 x HDD (in RAID5) ?

Has anyone ever recovered from a disk failure in a RAID5? By recovered I mean lived long enough to see the end of a rebuild after changing one disk?

yopp

@allthemtings said:

@aryanraj said:
kimsufi servers are less reliable than other Rise, Sys plan. it is always recommended to have a offshore backup of the data. this apply to all Kimsufi range.

Even a brand spanking new server could die

And boy they do. And what’s weird, folks I’m consulting had pretty shitty experience when they got one of few “high grade” servers DOA and waited for a week or so for replacement, being ghosted by support in meantime. Not a kind of treatment you expect when you spend half a grand per month per server.

SteveMC

@plumberg said: Nothing is safe. If you care about your data you will not YOLO and simply have enough backups/ DR plans available. But yeah, I would go with RAID0, No backups and live one the bleeding edge

What I care the most is not having to use my backup and having to reinstall everything

This is why I was wondering if SSD or HDD made a difference regarding the risk of failure.

plumberg

@SteveMC said:

@plumberg said: Nothing is safe. If you care about your data you will not YOLO and simply have enough backups/ DR plans available. But yeah, I would go with RAID0, No backups and live one the bleeding edge

What I care the most is not having to use my backup and having to reinstall everything

Yup. Raid0 is the way to go.