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who has the best out of the box DDoS protection?

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  • @stefeman said:

    @ilikebeans said:

    @SplitIce said:
    A server provider is going to specialise in providing servers, if you are serious about protection you need a DDoS protection provider. For everyone else, its an addon.

    Interesting. Wouldn’t a DDoS protection provider have resellers?

    You can buy from the provider but I’m not sure they’d have what I want.

    What providers would you recommend?

    He recommends himself and the amazing anti-ddos solution he offers. But fear not, if you have an issue setting up anything, hes willing to answer very simple questions for a measly 40 usd/hour price since his time is too valuable to offer any answers for free no matter how short/simple/generic they are and if its related to the advertised product you have purchased. His arrogance alone will protect your services.

    Haha funny. So funny.

    Gotta pay for customer service?

    To me that just seems ridiculous.

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  • ilikebeansilikebeans Member
    edited September 2024

    @stefeman said:

    @SplitIce said:
    @stefeman I can't recall what I did to piss you off.

    But for reference we charge $45/hour (hours on your project) for management as part of a management program that year after year costs us money to offer to customers (rate does not recoup costs).

    Generally management is required for one of 2 reasons:
    1) we will need to access a third party server (e.g yours) for troubleshooting or setup
    2) we will need to develop, research or otherwise devote significant resources to your problem that far exceeded an unmanaged support agreement

    Best of luck and sorry I / we made you upset.

    I tried you back in 2021 and dared to ask a generic question about your tunneling script as I had issues getting it work as intended. You responded with most arrogant "I dont have time for you cuz you typoed "My services" page instead of "Your services" and overall treated me, a paying customer who put good amount of money in like shit stain. Your response was agressive and uncalled for. I figured its less trouble telling others in my circle to avoid you and forget any funds I already put in than apply for refund or file a chargeback. Given ur vengeful nature, you would have added me to fraudrecord like you secretly do with others that get on ur nerves when ur having a bad day. I know cause ive seen those submissions myself.

    haha a fight on LowEndTalk? no way. (Im on your side)

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  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2024

    @ilikebeans said:

    @stefeman said:

    @ilikebeans said:

    @SplitIce said:
    A server provider is going to specialise in providing servers, if you are serious about protection you need a DDoS protection provider. For everyone else, its an addon.

    Interesting. Wouldn’t a DDoS protection provider have resellers?

    You can buy from the provider but I’m not sure they’d have what I want.

    What providers would you recommend?

    He recommends himself and the amazing anti-ddos solution he offers. But fear not, if you have an issue setting up anything, hes willing to answer very simple questions for a measly 40 usd/hour price since his time is too valuable to offer any answers for free no matter how short/simple/generic they are and if its related to the advertised product you have purchased. His arrogance alone will protect your services.

    Haha funny. So funny.

    Gotta pay for customer service?

    To me that just seems ridiculous.

    His docs were shit back in 2021. Theyre probly better now, but I found this guy an insufferable asshole. Been trying to avoid annoying him here, but I figured why not cause its been over 3 years now and he still writes like everyone else is underneath him.

  • ilikebeansilikebeans Member
    edited September 2024

    @FlorinMarian said:
    Hey!
    Probably OVH, but it has it's own limitations in terms of "false positives".
    If you're lucky enough to find a server with 25Gbps inbound, as we have in our new VPS line, probably is even better than normal protection.

    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 962 Mbits/sec   | 8.34 Gbits/sec  | 13.3 ms        
    Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 968 Mbits/sec   | 15.1 Gbits/sec  | 16.0 ms       
    

    Im sorry, do you actually have any ddos protection?

    Do i actually get access to 15Gb/s inbound ?

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2024

    @ilikebeans said:

    @FlorinMarian said:
    Hey!
    Probably OVH, but it has it's own limitations in terms of "false positives".
    If you're lucky enough to find a server with 25Gbps inbound, as we have in our new VPS line, probably is even better than normal protection.

    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 962 Mbits/sec   | 8.34 Gbits/sec  | 13.3 ms        
    Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 968 Mbits/sec   | 15.1 Gbits/sec  | 16.0 ms       
    

    Im sorry, do you actually have any ddos protection?

    Do i actually get access to 15Gb/s inbound ?

    Only latest advance ranges on ovh GRA has this as far as I know. Its 2x25G NIC with 25G downstream burst enabled but they do not advertise this fact. Could be in other EU locations too.

    But yes, its real.

  • @stefeman said:

    @ilikebeans said:

    @FlorinMarian said:
    Hey!
    Probably OVH, but it has it's own limitations in terms of "false positives".
    If you're lucky enough to find a server with 25Gbps inbound, as we have in our new VPS line, probably is even better than normal protection.

    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 962 Mbits/sec   | 8.34 Gbits/sec  | 13.3 ms        
    Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 968 Mbits/sec   | 15.1 Gbits/sec  | 16.0 ms       
    

    Im sorry, do you actually have any ddos protection?

    Do i actually get access to 15Gb/s inbound ?

    Only latest advance ranges on ovh GRA has this as far as I know. Its 2x25G NIC with 25G downstream burst enabled but they do not advertise this fact. Could be in other EU locations too.

    Its interesting how many hosts deceive by not including vital info, isn't it haha.

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2024

    @ilikebeans said:

    @stefeman said:

    @ilikebeans said:

    @FlorinMarian said:
    Hey!
    Probably OVH, but it has it's own limitations in terms of "false positives".
    If you're lucky enough to find a server with 25Gbps inbound, as we have in our new VPS line, probably is even better than normal protection.

    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 962 Mbits/sec   | 8.34 Gbits/sec  | 13.3 ms        
    Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 968 Mbits/sec   | 15.1 Gbits/sec  | 16.0 ms       
    

    Im sorry, do you actually have any ddos protection?

    Do i actually get access to 15Gb/s inbound ?

    Only latest advance ranges on ovh GRA has this as far as I know. Its 2x25G NIC with 25G downstream burst enabled but they do not advertise this fact. Could be in other EU locations too.

    Its interesting how many hosts deceive by not including vital info, isn't it haha.

    Its not guaranteed obviously. It could be 15 in or 25 in or just 10 in. My adv-3 is 25 in as long as I dont exceed my burst quota by sending full port via outgoing traffic, since outgoing is also in the same quota but only goes up to 5G for me.

    In short its lottery. Most people have best luck with adv-3 in france (gra/rbx), but some claim its for all adv range servers that have the new epyc 4xxx

  • @vsys_host said:
    Or

    CPU: DUAL E5-2670V3 (24c/48t - 2.3GHz)
    RAM: 64GB DDR4
    DRIVE: 1TB SSD / 2×3TB HDD
    PORT: 1G
    BANDWIDTH: 1GBPS
    $110 / m

    What hardware for ddos mitigation?

  • @Levi said:

    @vsys_host said:
    Or

    CPU: DUAL E5-2670V3 (24c/48t - 2.3GHz)
    RAM: 64GB DDR4
    DRIVE: 1TB SSD / 2×3TB HDD
    PORT: 1G
    BANDWIDTH: 1GBPS
    $110 / m

    What hardware for ddos mitigation?

    Explain further?

  • BangmodTeamBangmodTeam Member, Host Rep

    I think if it's in Europe and USA, there are many choices.

    If in APAC, based from my Experience Path Network still be the top-3 providers (they have a lot of issues in the past, almost 1 month downtime in SG node ..) but, their protection totally clean but need to be patient and understand what protection config you need to do follow.

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep
    edited September 2024

    @stefeman said:

    @ilikebeans said:

    @stefeman said:

    @ilikebeans said:

    @SplitIce said:
    A server provider is going to specialise in providing servers, if you are serious about protection you need a DDoS protection provider. For everyone else, its an addon.

    Interesting. Wouldn’t a DDoS protection provider have resellers?

    You can buy from the provider but I’m not sure they’d have what I want.

    What providers would you recommend?

    He recommends himself and the amazing anti-ddos solution he offers. But fear not, if you have an issue setting up anything, hes willing to answer very simple questions for a measly 40 usd/hour price

    since his time is too valuable to offer any answers for free no matter how short/simple/generic they are and if its related to the advertised product you have purchased. His arrogance alone will protect your services.

    Haha funny. So funny.

    Gotta pay for customer service?

    We do not build hours of engineering time (e.g consulting, custom development etc) into the cost of service. For most people who don't want this, it's a waste. For someone who does (and by the sounds of your complaint, you do) it's an optional extra.

    I find it mildly funny that for a second time you still can't get the rate right

    If instead you come to us with a problem, a need for help it's a answered by our support. It's not rocket science.

    His docs were shit back in 2021.

    Our knowledgebase is a continually growing resource. Contributed to by us and our customers for over 10 years. I don't think it's ever been "shit" considering that nearly every page if the panel has a linked dedicated help resource and there are considerable step by step guides.

    Theyre probly better now, but I found this guy an insufferable asshole.

    And yet here you are taking over ops thread with an issue you clearly have with me. This will be my last reply, as this is off topic. Feel free to complain to me privately if you wish. Or we can discuss in a thread the management policy we have and perhaps I'll seek feedback from the wider community on the policy.

    Been trying to avoid annoying him here, but I figured why not cause its been over 3 years now and he still writes like everyone else is underneath him.

    Yes, that's why I ended with an apology. Because I'm above you. What planet are you on?

  • @SplitIce said:
    You missed the point. A server provider provides servers, a DDoS protection provider provides DDoS protection. To a server provider DDoS protection is a value add, or a technical requirement only.

    The skills and problems being solved are different. This is not a reseller problem.

    don't you just resell psychz with a few added filters? i wouldn’t consider you a real mitigation company, even if what you said was correct (it's really not). I wouldn't place what you do above any server providers who are doing their mitigation inhouse. At least they actually run their own networks :)

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep
    edited September 2024

    Ok, I am out (again I don't want to take over OPs thread). I didnt even advertise my services (or even mention them). If you want to take something out on me, open up a hate on X4B thread.

    I meerly tried to help with a statement that I believe to be true.

    "A server provider is going to specialise in providing servers, if you are serious about protection you need a DDoS protection provider. For everyone else, its an addon."

    Best of luck OP.

    @fluffernutter said:

    @SplitIce said:
    You missed the point. A server provider provides servers, a DDoS protection provider provides DDoS protection. To a server provider DDoS protection is a value add, or a technical requirement only.

    The skills and problems being solved are different. This is not a reseller problem.

    don't you just resell psychz with a few added filters? i wouldn’t consider you a real mitigation company, even if what you said was correct (it's really not). I wouldn't place what you do above any server providers who are doing their mitigation inhouse. At least they actually run their own networks :)

    If you don't think we add anything then try and find what we offer at Psychz. We crossed 10 years this year, and it took us the best part of that to build what today we have. And even if everone in this thread in their expert opinion seems to think we are crap (aparently), I'm proud of what myself and the small team behind us has built.

  • @SplitIce said:
    Ok, I am out. I didnt even advertise my services (or even mention them).

    I meerly tried to help with a statement that I believe to be true.

    "A server provider is going to specialise in providing servers, if you are serious about protection you need a DDoS protection provider. For everyone else, its an addon."

    very few people share this opinion, especially as more (actual) ddos protection providers now provide servers themselves. Of course you would have this opinion as a "ddos protection provider" that is unable to sell servers due to just reselling Psychz. I'm sorry your subtle ad didn't go as planned.

    If you don't think we add anything then try and find what we offer at Psychz. We crossed 10 years this year, and it took us the best part of that to build what today we have. And even if everone in this thread in their expert opinion seems to think we are crap (aparently), I'm proud of what myself and the small team behind us has built.

    thank you for your feedback.

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  • @RoyaleHosting for ddos protected dedi and vps

  • We have FENS DDoS at the edge on all dedicated servers right now

    Bandwidth : 100TB / 1Gbps
    CPU : 2 x E5-2630 v3 2.4GHz Haswell
    Memory : 32GB
    Drive : 480GB SSD
    $153 / month

    All other service plans are protected by Corero Smartwall up to 100 Gbps attacks.

    https://charityhost.org/account/store/starter-bare-metal-servers

    (Windows Server license is selected by default on dedicated and cost a bit more, but selecting any linux OS will remove the license)

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2024

    Friendly as always.

    ID: 5396

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  • Im making popcorn.

  • Sometimes Hetnzer Arbor can be a bit dodgy and not setup correctly or something on some servers.

    Yes. Also OVH is similar. They network rate cap at 5 Mbps from OVH to Hetzner. 1 server with 250 Mbps unmetered at ovh and 1 server with 100 Mbps plus at hetzner. Data transfers were snails at 5Mbps. Dont know if that is still the case. Hetzner seemed better servers and network than ovh though.

  • ilikebeansilikebeans Member
    edited September 2024

    @BangmodTeam said:
    I think if it's in Europe and USA, there are many choices.

    If in APAC, based from my Experience Path Network still be the top-3 providers (they have a lot of issues in the past, almost 1 month downtime in SG node ..) but, their protection totally clean but need to be patient and understand what protection config you need to do follow.

    Should i contact path directly, if not (And yes, i need this in Europe preferably), who should i purchase it from?

    I dont know any path resellers other than eugamehost (which are good, dont get me wrong) but they only offer cosmic in the UK, and path in Germany. Im wondering if there is any provider that offers path in the UK? Or did they all drop path for the massive amounts of downtime?

  • vsys_hostvsys_host Member, Patron Provider

    @Levi said:

    @vsys_host said:
    Or

    CPU: DUAL E5-2670V3 (24c/48t - 2.3GHz)
    RAM: 64GB DDR4
    DRIVE: 1TB SSD / 2×3TB HDD
    PORT: 1G
    BANDWIDTH: 1GBPS
    $110 / m

    What hardware for ddos mitigation?

    @ilikebeans said:

    @Levi said:

    @vsys_host said:
    Or

    CPU: DUAL E5-2670V3 (24c/48t - 2.3GHz)
    RAM: 64GB DDR4
    DRIVE: 1TB SSD / 2×3TB HDD
    PORT: 1G
    BANDWIDTH: 1GBPS
    $110 / m

    What hardware for ddos mitigation?

    Explain further?

    We use an external provider for protection.

  • @vsys_host said:

    @Levi said:

    @vsys_host said:
    Or

    CPU: DUAL E5-2670V3 (24c/48t - 2.3GHz)
    RAM: 64GB DDR4
    DRIVE: 1TB SSD / 2×3TB HDD
    PORT: 1G
    BANDWIDTH: 1GBPS
    $110 / m

    What hardware for ddos mitigation?

    @ilikebeans said:

    @Levi said:

    @vsys_host said:
    Or

    CPU: DUAL E5-2670V3 (24c/48t - 2.3GHz)
    RAM: 64GB DDR4
    DRIVE: 1TB SSD / 2×3TB HDD
    PORT: 1G
    BANDWIDTH: 1GBPS
    $110 / m

    What hardware for ddos mitigation?

    Explain further?

    We use an external provider for protection.

    Can you expand on that?

    Who is this external provider?

  • i enjoy in LET as always and to be honest i would say OVH has good anti ddos but if you want a vps with out of box anti ddos then go for OVH game vps its not in ovh site you need a reseller that can accomodate you with ovh game vps example www.extravm.com @MikeA . i did not used personally but i can say the support and prices are good accordining to the reviews posted here.

  • vsys_hostvsys_host Member, Patron Provider

    @ilikebeans said:

    @vsys_host said:

    @Levi said:

    @vsys_host said:
    Or

    CPU: DUAL E5-2670V3 (24c/48t - 2.3GHz)
    RAM: 64GB DDR4
    DRIVE: 1TB SSD / 2×3TB HDD
    PORT: 1G
    BANDWIDTH: 1GBPS
    $110 / m

    What hardware for ddos mitigation?

    @ilikebeans said:

    @Levi said:

    @vsys_host said:
    Or

    CPU: DUAL E5-2670V3 (24c/48t - 2.3GHz)
    RAM: 64GB DDR4
    DRIVE: 1TB SSD / 2×3TB HDD
    PORT: 1G
    BANDWIDTH: 1GBPS
    $110 / m

    What hardware for ddos mitigation?

    Explain further?

    We use an external provider for protection.

    Can you expand on that?

    Who is this external provider?

    Voxility

  • @ilikebeans said:

    @BangmodTeam said:
    I think if it's in Europe and USA, there are many choices.

    If in APAC, based from my Experience Path Network still be the top-3 providers (they have a lot of issues in the past, almost 1 month downtime in SG node ..) but, their protection totally clean but need to be patient and understand what protection config you need to do follow.

    Should i contact path directly, if not (And yes, i need this in Europe preferably), who should i purchase it from?

    I dont know any path resellers other than eugamehost (which are good, dont get me wrong) but they only offer cosmic in the UK, and path in Germany. Im wondering if there is any provider that offers path in the UK? Or did they all drop path for the massive amounts of downtime?

    Tempest.net is a Path brand where they sell servers, maybe you'll find something for you there as they have couple of dedis in London for sale.

  • @AXYZE said:

    @ilikebeans said:

    @BangmodTeam said:
    I think if it's in Europe and USA, there are many choices.

    If in APAC, based from my Experience Path Network still be the top-3 providers (they have a lot of issues in the past, almost 1 month downtime in SG node ..) but, their protection totally clean but need to be patient and understand what protection config you need to do follow.

    Should i contact path directly, if not (And yes, i need this in Europe preferably), who should i purchase it from?

    I dont know any path resellers other than eugamehost (which are good, dont get me wrong) but they only offer cosmic in the UK, and path in Germany. Im wondering if there is any provider that offers path in the UK? Or did they all drop path for the massive amounts of downtime?

    Tempest.net is a Path brand where they sell servers, maybe you'll find something for you there as they have couple of dedis in London for sale.

    tempest is known for being really pricey -- thanks for the suggestion though!

  • From my experience, you can never go wrong with a merchant that has as much bandwidth reserve as possible. When a massive attack comes in, even cleansing requires enough ports to mitigate it.

    So whether it's OVH or Hetzner, they do fulfill that.

  • RoyaleHostingRoyaleHosting Member, Patron Provider

    @bobsburgers said:
    @RoyaleHosting for ddos protected dedi and vps

    Thank you for the mention :)

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited September 2024

    @SplitIce

    "A server provider is going to specialise in providing servers, if you are serious about protection you need a DDoS protection provider. For everyone else, its an addon."

    Yes and no. Because the servers they sell are network connected and, unlike e.g. a mainframe, usually used as network node, hence it's only logical for a server provider to also look at and care (and know, sometimes a lot) about network attacks incl. DDOS.

    OTOH you are right when one leaves the LET and average user/business level and "business critical" really translates to "millions lost per day". Then I think one indeed should talk to DDOS specialists.

  • Providers specializing in ddos protection like path and cosmic are often selling servers now because they had to order a bunch of bandwidth and they need to offset the cost by selling dedicated servers, because those are way easier to sell than ddos protection by itself.

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