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Calin iHostART.Com took our $22.5K and scamming us!

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  • @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said: Average @emgh comment.

    Hating online isn't the cure for your depression.

    How did you go to law school but you don't know what a verbal agreement is?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @SirFoxy said:

    @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said: Average @emgh comment.

    Hating online isn't the cure for your depression.

    How did you go to law school but you don't know what a verbal agreement is?

    https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/tips-and-support/cope-with-depression/

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  • @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said:

    @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said: Average @emgh comment.

    Hating online isn't the cure for your depression.

    How did you go to law school but you don't know what a verbal agreement is?

    https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/tips-and-support/cope-with-depression/

    https://www.leafly.com/

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @SirFoxy said:

    @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said:

    @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said: Average @emgh comment.

    Hating online isn't the cure for your depression.

    How did you go to law school but you don't know what a verbal agreement is?

    https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/tips-and-support/cope-with-depression/

    https://www.leafly.com/

    Sure but see where that got you

  • @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said:

    @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said:

    @emgh said:

    @SirFoxy said: Average @emgh comment.

    Hating online isn't the cure for your depression.

    How did you go to law school but you don't know what a verbal agreement is?

    https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/self-help/tips-and-support/cope-with-depression/

    https://www.leafly.com/

    Sure but see where that got you

    Making hundreds of thousands of dollars off my MacBook without having to beg @hosthatch for a job.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited September 2024

    @SirFoxy said:

    Is it true what they say about painting your fingernails black? Is it because of the depression?

  • @SirFoxy said:
    @emgh said:

    @EndlessGravity said: Did you never hear of a verbal agreement?

    That's not even a verbal agreement. That's in writing.

    Average @emgh comment.

    @Falzo said:

    @Terranode said:

    and there we have a "provider not recommended" label for people who scam, clearly the context of the problem is put first and the community and administrators make votes to consider If after all the tests the user is listed as not recommended... it would be good if something like this was implemented here so that these cases do not occur again.

    $200 bilohbucks on "never gonna happen"

    also "putting the community first" left the building a long time ago...

    This isn't a community. This is an advertising platform for hosting providers.

    One top provider literally exit scammed, another sold his brand to someone extremely sketchy and tried to keep it a secret to bankroll his new domain registrar. Both still have their tags.

    Admins/mods don't give a fuck about the community. That's just the truth. They only care about protecting the business interests of this brand and keeping things rolling with as minimal effort as possible. Once you understand that, things start making a lot more sense.

    Weren't you leaving after having been used up and spat out by the 'editorial team'?

    Did you just come back to passively aggressively attack people?

    I read your breakdown post and I hope you're feeling better!

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited September 2024

    @techdragon said: Did you just come back to passively aggressively attack people?

    He does it again and again every few weeks. He comes back, gets his dose of attacking and goes back to his cave again.

    Not sure why mods haven't gotten rid of him honestly.

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  • @emgh said:

    @techdragon said: Did you just come back to passively aggressively attack people?

    He does it again and again every few weeks. He comes back, gets his dose of attacking and goes back to his cave again.

    Not sure why mods haven't gotten rid of him honestly.

    Must be a furry thing.

    Thanked by 2emgh iKeyZ
  • @layer7 said:

    @Levi said:
    Resolving situation is to make ok-ok for both parties. In this case OP is ok to loose 20k and calin is ok to take them. Between them this situation is resolved fully as non of the involved parties will escalate it further. Entropy is at the maximum.

    Hi,

    maybe its just me, but i cant imagine that the OP is in any way "ok" with loosing 20k.... or he is masohist =) In this case i can share my account number to provide additional satisfaction :-)

    From my point of view, the OP is just forced to accept the real world situation. Its not "ok" for him, i just cant imagine that... sorry my imagination lacks here of that power. For this 20k are just too much. Maybe bill gates would be "ok" to just loose 20k, but i assume the OP does not play in this regions...

    And because its not ok for him ( alias solved ) its simply not solved. -- But thats my pure guess and interpretation.

    Maybe the OP is ok loosing 20k... but then i wonder why he opened the whole thread anyway...

    Anyway, the forum admins will have to decide if you can call this outcome and result "ok" and "solved" and if the whole story complies with their forum rules ( especially the one i referred to ).. Lets see :-)

    @Terranode said:
    @layer7 said:

    @yoursunny said:
    Given the client considers this resolved, @Calin shall have his provider tag back.

    Hi,

    completely independent of this incident here and if who ever did something right or wrong or what ever:

    isnt the provider tag (also) supposed to be a sign of trustworthiness? I mean the provider tag is ( as far as i understood it ) some kind of certification from the forum to show that a specific user runs a legit business and this way can be trusted to actually deliver services for paid money.

    We have here now a story where the provider aswell as the customer agreed on the fact that money was paid but no service delivered and so far, no refund occurred.

    I assume based on this fact the provider tag was removed ( pure guess / speculation from my side ).

    Based on what logic would you say that a member of the forum should receive back the provider tag if the root cause why the member lost the provider tag is still unchanged?

    From my point of view, the provider tag shall give the visitors of this forum some kind of trust into the forum and its users including the providers.

    Would the forum not hurt its own reputation and goal to filter providers who are obviously unable to comply with the simple rule paid money == received service if it would grant back a provider tag while the root cause of why it was removed is still open / unsolved?

    Should the fact that the complainer gave up on the money ( not because he admitted he was wrong, but ( i guess ) simply because he does not see a realistic chance to get back his money ) allow the provider tag to be reinstated?

    If someone took away something from you and you know/assume that you wont get it back means that nothing happend? All ok?

    Again, thats a general understanding question from my side , since i do not understand your logic in this case.

    I tend to be more active in Spanish-speaking forums, which is my native language, and there we have a "provider not recommended" label for people who scam, clearly the context of the problem is put first and the community and administrators make votes to consider If after all the tests the user is listed as not recommended... it would be good if something like this was implemented here so that these cases do not occur again.

    I had suggested this long ago: to assign providers some additional tags of trustworthiness that cannot be bought with money. "Top Host" is one such tag, but that’s the only one unless there are others like "Good Host," "Worse Host," etc. Basically, we need something like a provider rating system so that a new user doesn't have to read 400 pages of garbage to know if a provider is worth buying from or not. But obviously, that’s bad for bilohbucks' economy, so it’s most likely not going to happen.

  • Honestly LET should maintain some quality and ban providers like ihostart
    Because of lack of quality maintained LET has become a hub for kiddo providers to come pay the fees for provider tag sell things that are too good to be true / impossible to sustain for long and then make an exit scam

    Sad that LET allows all this just for engagement there should be a level and quality for lowend stuff too.

  • itachikonohaitachikonoha Member
    edited September 2024

    a> @aneesh120 said:

    Honestly LET should maintain some quality and ban providers like ihostart
    Because of lack of quality maintained LET has become a hub for kiddo providers to come pay the fees for provider tag sell things that are too good to be true / impossible to sustain for long and then make an exit scam

    Sad that LET allows all this just for engagement there should be a level and quality for lowend stuff too.

    There are also customers who want cheap servers, high performance for a short period of time which the big providers will never provide.

    At many times, people may agree for a cheaper server at the expanse of little bit of downtime. It's upto the people. Let them decide what they want.

    There are different target audience for different providers.

    It's upon customer to check the providers before spending big money.

    But just because you do not like those small providers, doesn't mean doors should be shut for them. This elitist mentality is ironical in a community which purpose is lower end.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited September 2024

    @aneesh120 said: Honestly LET should maintain some quality and ban providers like ihostart
    Because of lack of quality maintained LET has become a hub for kiddo providers to come pay the fees for provider tag sell things that are too good to be true / impossible to sustain for long and then make an exit scam

    Pay with PayPal and don't pay yearly if the provider is new, and you're generally good.

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  • zmeuzmeu Member
    edited September 2024

    @Void said: assign providers some additional tags

    A rep. module where a customer can vote; or like/dislike.

    @emgh said: Pay with PayPal and don't pay yearly if the provider is new, and you're generally good.

    But I want to be (bad boy) shady; can I pay with crypto?

    Thanked by 3emgh Void yoursunny
  • @zmeu said:

    @Void said: assign providers some additional tags

    A rep. module where a customer can vote; or like/dislike.

    Unfortunately, this is possible to abuse a bit like a lot of review sites.

    There are providers here who make alt accounts just to bump their offers with 'DOUBLE ME' to keep it going and create perceived value.

    Purple, cough.

    Thanked by 3zmeu yoursunny tentor
  • @zmeu said:

    @Void said: assign providers some additional tags

    A rep. module where a customer can vote; or like/dislike.

    @emgh said: Pay with PayPal and don't pay yearly if the provider is new, and you're generally good.

    But I want to be shady; can I pay with crypto?

    Are the fees worth paying for a $5 transaction?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @techdragon said:

    @zmeu said:

    @Void said: assign providers some additional tags

    A rep. module where a customer can vote; or like/dislike.

    @emgh said: Pay with PayPal and don't pay yearly if the provider is new, and you're generally good.

    But I want to be shady; can I pay with crypto?

    Are the fees worth paying for a $5 transaction?

    Depends, are you a bad boy?

    Thanked by 1zmeu
  • @techdragon said: Unfortunately, this is possible to abuse a bit like a lot of review sites.

    I know; but a customer can provide a proof of payment (invoice).

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  • @zmeu said:

    @techdragon said: Unfortunately, this is possible to abuse a bit like a lot of review sites.

    I know; but a customer can provide a proof of payment (invoice).

    A provider can create an invoice for the alt account in seconds.

    Thanked by 2zmeu tentor
  • @emgh said:

    @techdragon said:

    @zmeu said:

    @Void said: assign providers some additional tags

    A rep. module where a customer can vote; or like/dislike.

    @emgh said: Pay with PayPal and don't pay yearly if the provider is new, and you're generally good.

    But I want to be shady; can I pay with crypto?

    Are the fees worth paying for a $5 transaction?

    Depends, are you a bad boy?

    Bad boy = 100% refund.

    Thanked by 2zmeu emgh
  • @techdragon said:
    A provider can create an invoice for the alt account in seconds.

    a trusty provider it goes in /dev/null ..

    Thanked by 1techdragon
  • @techdragon said: Are the fees worth paying for a $5 transaction?

    If you use bc1... the fees are 1$ or less.

    Thanked by 1techdragon
  • techdragontechdragon Member
    edited September 2024

    @zmeu said:

    @techdragon said:
    A provider can create an invoice for the alt account in seconds.

    a trusty provider it goes in /dev/null ..

    LOL.

    This forum only cares about engagement as that's the only currency online for such a forum. That is why Calin is still here.

    By getting more traffic regardless of why, it is easier for them to pitch advertising and provider tags. "MOST VISITED HOSTING FORUM".

    It's well known that the income from these sources far exceeds the hosting costs for a forum.

  • @techdragon said: why Calin is still here.

    when all legal things are performed, he can clear the name. he's by far than Cociu or other scammers.

  • I really do not understand why this entire discussion is even posted here.

    • Unknown person tries to buy a service with crypto in the tens of thousands range.
    • Middleman wants his cut and outsources to a DMCA ignoring host.
    • DMCA ignoring host want to convert that crypto to cash, so he can outsource to the actual company that will deliver the goods.

    Bank sees the exchange of crypto, and does what every bank does. They question the source as they are LEGALLY REQUIRED to see if this is not black money. The money get blocked until valid information is provided.

    Enter the middleman crying foul not understanding that if you pay with crypto, it need to be converted in cash by somebody. And when you are playing middleman for a fuckton of money, the chance of a investigation by the converting source, is extreme high. This is not somebody converting 10$ crypto.

    Now its a blame game ... and everybody is at fault, except the actual company that has the servers (and that wanted cash) and the bank for doing their legal duties!

    • Unknown person:

    People who trade/use/... with tens of thousands worth of crypto are not normal end users. You do not gain that amount by legal means, as in, you run a legal service that pays their taxes like any normal registered company. If you did, you are more likely to use used actual money. But even given the benefit of doubt, lets say its legal. Well, then its also no issue to show the source and the fact that its legal.

    If you mined it, then you are still on the hook to pay taxes. And if you payed taxes on that crypto, its absolute safe to show the bank that source of that crypto and have it converted into cash.

    • The middle man:

    Again, somebody with half a brain know if they are going to act as a middleman for anything, you want to be sure that the source is legal. Sure, you can blame the DMCA ignoring host for not just accepting crypto and magically pulling servers out of his ass.

    • The DMCA ignoring host

    Again a fuckton of stupid going on. A bank is not going to look at a few dollars worth of crypto, but when you plop anything above 10k on a bank account, you get a call.

    Even basic 10k+ money transfers these days get investigation by bank, just because your last name is Asian in origin. Trust me, you try opening a bank account in, lets say Spain, as a non-national and a Asian family name. Hahahahaa there is the door mate. We are not in the 1980's anymore where banks turned a blind eye to a lot of problematic transfers.

    In the end:

    • High change that the DMCA ignoring host will be investigated when the bank reports the non-compliance for the money source. The amount amount is too big to be ignored. So yea, if your a customer there, well, ... that legal gray zone just become hot. A lot of host do not go down because of DMCA issue, its the money/tax issues that bring them down.

    • High chance that the middleman will be investigated. Forget about your cut mate, you are in deep shit with the rest. Its not even anymore about the money, so you can yell scammer all you want, your back history of any other activities, that may have nothing to so with this crypto, can be opened up.

    • The only person who may get away with it, is the guy in India given the rather lax attitude in the country towards a lot of criminal enterprises. But he will be out of pocket for that money.

    All i frankly see is stupid upon stupid. If you have doubts about funds, you say no, and not be greedy. If your greedy, and something goes wrong, you try to resolve it between yourself, NOT ON A FREAKING PUBLIC FORUM!!! The amount of stupid criminality on display.

    Yes mates, its a crime. And yes, technically lowendtalk is now also a involved party in this issue, as all these conversations are part of evidence. So Mods, do NOT delete this topic. At best you can lock it. That avoid any trouble for lowendtalk.

    This is not about some DMCA issue where most law enforcement does not give two craps about, its a matter of (dis)organized crime. The best you all can hope for is that the bank give up or the Romanian authorities do not escalate the issue into a investigation.

    Worst of all, you disorganized idiots will NOT know as investigation can be slow, take their time and one day you may have a dozen cops at your house and data center to impound every server. Yes, it happens and we have seen cases where servers are taken even if they are not directly involved in the investigation.

    Fuck, i have seen personally a case where the IRS invaded a company because one guy wrote a anonymous letter stating there was black money involved and the boss supposedly flaunted this black money. It was a fake claim by a ex employee but it freaking involved a dozen IRS officers at multiple locations.

    So yea, you do not even need the cops involved, just the basic IRS can be a force of nature, because of taxes.

    I am just amazed at the amount of greed and stupidity on display. For people that work in the gray zone, you expect a bit of knowhow and less greed.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Reguards

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  • @techdragon said:

    @zmeu said:

    @techdragon said:
    A provider can create an invoice for the alt account in seconds.

    a trusty provider it goes in /dev/null ..

    LOL.

    This forum only cares about engagement as that's the only currency online for such a forum. That is why Calin is still here.

    By getting more traffic regardless of why, it is easier for them to pitch advertising and provider tags. "MOST VISITED HOSTING FORUM".

    It's well known that the income from these sources far exceeds the hosting costs for a forum.

    I don't know about others but @Calin existence shows the complicated nature of global transactions and presence of grey area which are interwind with international laws.

    People talk about this subject only in terms of client -> provider relationship and vice versa. If these two variables only depended upon each other, then life would have been easier. But reality is different. There are multiple other variables which will impact these two even though they won't fall under the domain of hosting.

    when you are dealing with AML, it goes beyond that relatinship. As a customer, you will have to rely on not only the assurance of the provider but also your own grasp of the subject.

  • @emgh said:
    Reguards

    sometimes when I read some random messages it feels like they wants a cut from that $22K. :lol:

    Thanked by 2emgh Sululu
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @zmeu said:

    @emgh said:
    Reguards

    sometimes when I read some random messages it feels like they wants a cut from that $22K. :lol:

    it s correct

    Thanked by 1zmeu
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
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