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Calin iHostART.Com took our $22.5K and scamming us!

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Calin said:

    @emgh said: You should have showed the bank your invoice. If that wasn’t enough, you should have asked them to return the money.

    >

    I think you don't know how to read , I said countless times that I wanted to give him the money back and I asked him for details to return the money, but even those details were false , what part from all this don't understand?

    You’re just trying to derail things now to not have to answer the very clear statement I made

    Not buying it, sorry

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited September 2024

    @Calin said:
    Again, just stop being a judge on a forum, I'm already quite tired with this scandal from the last few days, as I wrote above, this is a problem between two B2B

    I'm write a full declaration at page 20 about this

    When @Arkas or @DP or any other mods close this thread , I'm want to put at the end of thread the declaration from page 20

    You don't get to decide when a thread closes. This is a forum. Romania is also a liberal-democratic state, so you must respect freedom of speech. If you do not like something on TV, simply change the channel.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    How ironic btw

    Calin accused me of not being able to communicate in english :D

  • @default said: You don't get to decide when a thread closes. This is a forum. Romania is also a liberal-democratic state, so you must respect freedom of speech. If you do not like something on TV, simply change the channel.

    >

    The difference here is that there are many conspiracy theories and many people are misled.

    And my real customers who started asking me questions and with whom some of them I have contracts and many other things are putting me in danger.

    1. At one point the bank wanted to give the money back (most likely not to get involved in an investigation with the authorities) but with the only condition that the money be given back on the first account statement that I offered from the 3. And GoSSDHosting was unable to provide valid information for the refund

    as long as you haven't seen all the conversations with GOSSDHosting you have no right to say anything!!!I'm still waiting for approval from @GoSSDHosting to post video of all our conversations , because at the moment there are only some screenshots that are taken out of context

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Calin you just shared a long video

    Why would you need permission for the rest but not for that?

  • @emgh said: @Calin you just shared a long video

    >

    Because this it's a full one capther about what screenshot what send @GoSSDHosting

  • sassliksasslik Barred
    edited September 2024

    So we're gonna do GoSSDHosting vs Calin or wat? W548, GE bank? Winner takes all?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Calin said:

    @emgh said: @Calin you just shared a long video

    >

    Because this it's a full one capther about what screenshot what send @GoSSDHosting

    So why does another video of the same exact kind require permission?

  • FatGrizzlyFatGrizzly Member, Host Rep
    edited September 2024

    How is Calin's english is a bit better these days?

  • @FatGrizzly said:
    How suddenly Calin's english is a bit better?

    AI babyyyyyyy

  • @FatGrizzly said:
    How is Calin's english is a bit better these days?

    I guess 22K can buy you a lot of English

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    All of a sudden, the English verses are coming like a pot of gold instead of the awesome RO based English...

    And this makes me think, is the RO provider really the one who claims to be? Or is it a smart person impersonating a small town RO guy to gain sympathy and claim innocence due to language barriers.

    The quality of responses have greatly improved.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @plumberg said:
    All of a sudden, the English verses are coming like a pot of gold instead of the awesome RO based English...

    And this makes me think, is the RO provider really the one who claims to be? Or is it a smart person impersonating a small town RO guy to gain sympathy and claim innocence due to language barriers.

    Lmao, no

    Thanked by 110thHouse
  • @Calin said: When @Arkas or @DP or any other mods close this thread , I'm want to put at the end of thread the declaration from page 20

    Most likely after you refund him. Case is still open and for now you still owe him money.

    Thanked by 1JasonM
  • @Sululu said:

    @FatGrizzly said:
    How is Calin's english is a bit better these days?

    I guess 22K can buy you a lot of English

    Grammarly premium subscription

    Thanked by 1JasonM
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited September 2024

    @emgh said:

    @Calin said:

    @emgh said: Yes, but just because you said that dosen’t mean that he now foregoes his demand to not be KYC’d.

    >
    I am not asking for KYC, bank request this , it's a difference!
    What did you want me to do? Tell the bank that I don't want to help this case with information and block the money, I preferred to ask the client for details to help him avoid problems with blocking the money, it's not my fault that the client gave false evidence

    If you couldn’t solve that, without his personal info, you should have not offered him hosting. Since he made it clear he didn’t want KYC.

    (a) why connecting two different factors as if they were dependent?
    (b) and @Calin made it clear that the money will definitely (have to) go to the bank. So, both made something clear - now what?
    (c) it wasn't so much Calin offering, but rather @GoSSDHosting needing such a service and, according to his own words, Calin was the only option.

    He has no contract with the bank, he has a contract with you.

    And, if I'm not mistaken, it wasn't him who payed, it was his client, the "end customer", who has no contract with Calin but with gossd. No payment from contract party, bye, bye, contract broken. Btw, of course the other side has rights too e.g. the right to cancel and demand a refund. What gossd (if he really is the contract partner and not just an informal middle man) can not do however is to ask for his money back right now, because the decision over the money is at a (at least de facto) bigger entity to make.

    You should have showed the bank your invoice. If that wasn’t enough, you should have asked them to return the money.

    You ignore the decisive factor: he can show papers to the bank and ask them to return the money all day long but it's the bank (and the laws I guess) who has the upper hand and who decides.


    I think the real problem in this thing is simply greed. gossd knew that it might be risky but he wanted the deal or at least his cut. And Calin bit off more than he can chew comfortably because he wanted the deal too. IMO both created the situation, neither is really totally innocent.

    But and that's an important 'but': neither you nor me nor 99% of the users here know enough and have all the relevant information. All we can offer is, at best, an educated opinion. That is not a base to judge someone and/or declare him criminal, evil, or malevolent or to harm anyone or their business.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited September 2024

    @jsg said: (b) and @Calin made it clear that the money will definitely (have to) go to the bank. So, both made something clear - now what?

    He briefly mentioned it, yes, what his own plans for that crypto are, with the assurance that there wouldn’t be any problems. Throughout the whole conversation, he gave a lot of assurances, but let's ignore that part

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  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited September 2024

    @Calin said: Looking at the previous pages in the thread, I asked him for an IBAN and a name, and he was unable to give them!

    You didn’t ask him this. You said clearly that KYC wasn’t needed and that there wouldn’t be any problems. Do you want me to quote you?

    Only later, when you messed things up with your own bank and couldn’t prove the source of your money, you put the blame on him. Not to mention, you know well enough that he’s not from the EU, so he doesn’t have an IBAN, yet you’re using this against him.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Mumbly said:

    @jsg said: (b) and @Calin made it clear that the money will definitely (have to) go to the bank. So, both made something clear - now what?

    He mentioned it, yes, what his plans for that crypto are, with the assurance that there wouldn’t be any problems. Throughout the whole conversation, he gave a lot of assurances, but let's ignore that part

    No, let's not simply a possibly relevant factor. But your point opens yet another can of worms or at least unpleasant questions like, e.g. "what kind of a businessman simply ignores facts (like european and romanian rules and laws) and simply relies on an assurance from someone he himself describes as not exactly the business partner of excellent standing, especially in a matter where (a) he was told clearly that the money will have to go to the bank, and (b) every business I ever knew knows well that laws and regulations can be bitches"?

    He even said it himself that he contacted Calin only because he was the only option he had.

  • @jsg said: He even said it himself that he contacted Calin only because he was the only option he had.

    And? How is that even an argument? Or anything you said above?

    By the way, your standard alternate reality written in essays with zero essence is extremely tiresome. There’s hardly anyone as annoying on this forum as you.
    Please do us a favor and express your thoughts in a sentence or two. It would be pretty much the same, just without the random strawman fillers.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Mumbly said:

    @Calin said: Looking at the previous pages in the thread, I asked him for an IBAN and a name, and he was unable to give them!

    You didn’t ask him this. You said clearly that KYC wasn’t needed and that there wouldn’t be any problems. Do you want me to quote you?

    Only later, when you messed things up with your own bank and couldn’t prove the source of your money, you put the blame on him. Not to mention, you know well enough that he’s not from the EU, so he doesn’t have an IBAN, yet you’re using this against him.

    BS! Any halfway experience businessman outside of Europe knows that in such a case they can and should offer their account number and international bank code. Even I know that and I'm absolutely not a businessman, let alone an experienced one. And the european bank would have accepted that.
    As far as I can see, Calin did not holding 'not having an IBAN' against him but rather that the guy refused, slithered, and provided fake info - which Calins bank of course noted within seconds.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Mumbly said:

    @jsg said: He even said it himself that he contacted Calin only because he was the only option he had.

    And? How is that even an argument? Or anything you said above?

    By the way, your standard alternate reality written in essays with zero essence is extremely tiresome. There’s hardly anyone as annoying on this forum as you.
    Please do us a favor and express your thoughts in a sentence or two. It would be pretty much the same, just without the random strawman fillers.

    Typical. Seeing your projection falling apart you resort to personal attacks.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited September 2024

    Nah, I am just honest with you.

    Besides that, I know there's no way to have a reasonable and intelligent discussion with you because you always go in circles - huge circles filled with empty, meaningless essays.
    So, instead of getting caught up in your hollow, rabbit hole strawman arguments, I prefer to maintain my own rhythm in the discussion.

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • We forgot what will be happening with GoSSD and their client?

    • client paid cryto to GoSSD
    • GoSSD as middleman paid to Calin
    • Calin did not deliver server or refund
    • GoSSD (might not) have refunded to their client from their own pocket
    • So what will the client do now?

    if both GoSSD and their client are based in India, well, client can lodge cyber crime complaint and in most cases the police reverses (it take couple of years) the transaction but proof must be submitted and there is thorough investigation of duping cases.

    This middleman GoSSD will be devasted for mere transferring crypto (also evading taxes) if their client really initiates legal proceeding.

    Thanked by 2Mumbly vpsGOD
  • @bobert said:

    @M66B said: I guess that's okay, but the bank can still freeze the money and require proof of origin.

    Sure the bank can do that, but this still does not excuse Calin's behavior. I am not sure why you keep using KYC as an excuse.

    The customer (which still has not been proven to be a criminal), is allowed to legally and morally seek hosting that avoids KYC. The fact that in romania, it is illegal to launder "criminal proceeds" does not suddenly make it illegal or immoral to seek KYC free hosting.

    If Calin did not agree to the refund in case of KYC before, then I would agree with you that it wouldn't be Calin's fault. But the customer specifically mentioned KYC, and Calin specifically mentioned that he would refund in case that happened. So Calin is aware of KYC and broke his word.

    I don't disagree to the KYC part because that's what the parties both agreed upon. Both parties agreed upon a sum of money as well, which isn't in the pocket of Calin, though. The details of the why are still misty ATM, but if the reason is that it is dirty money, it isn't Calin's fault alone.

  • M66BM66B Veteran
    edited September 2024

    @kevinds said:

    @M66B said:
    I guess that's okay, but the bank can still freeze the money and require proof of origin.

    Which would be the invoice for for the hosting services and some kind of proof that the company does infact offer hosting services.

    That's not how KYC/AML works. That would be like "Hey, I have a piece of paper which I just printed, saying the money is okay". If it was that simply to launder money, KYC/AML wouldn't be worth anything.

  • FalzoFalzo Member
    edited September 2024

    @Calin said: And my real customers who started asking me questions and with whom some of them I have contracts and many other things are putting me in danger.

    sorry to say, but rightfully so. however you try to turn things here, you are either not able to run a business properly and be a reliable partner that keeps their agreements and promises or a gambler with your clients money because you are too lazy to do enough due diligence about laws and processes.

    you try to be a smart arse and be able to handle anything easily while you aren't.

    that you tell your client, that the money has to go to the bank is good, but he clearly stated multiple times, that he don't want KYC, it's even in your very same screenshot above in the upper left. why should he care about you giving the money to the bank? in best he would taken your statements as one you doing the structuring fuss exactly because that is your way to avoid it.

    if he sends money via crypto, how could you think he even has a bank account for the refund to start with? bank accounts with direct transfers are not as common in lot parts of the world - how can you not be aware of this whilst running an international business?

    you are clueless about this part of running a business. simple as that. makes you unreliable and your clients do right by start questioning exactly that.
    there will be a day in the near future were you simply stop being interested in running this bottom-of-the-barrel business or something else will end in terms of regulations, power pricing or whatever makes your model just sustainable right now.

    when that happens, you will walk away from it, without spending too much thought about what happens to your clients. this is who you are and how you deal with things. and yes, that is dangerous.

  • @FatGrizzly said:
    How is Calin's english is a bit better these days?

    Someone has been Practicing their Duolingo.

  • Ol, simple question then:

    If bank asks calins client for money source he then contacts his client, and then he contacts his client and then he contacts his client and then he contacts btc spinner services and then…

    How far bank can go before calling police and money anti-laundering officers raiding calin for more personal conversation?

    In some reality I envy that poor bastard who sent 20+k to reseller. Now he bought a ticket for a very nice drama from first row! He pushes reseller, reseller pushes calin. Human centipede and calin is last in the chain. Takko friday?

  • shafireshafire Member
    edited September 2024

    @Calin said:
    Looking at the previous pages in the thread, I asked him for an IBAN and a name, and he was unable to give them!

    You cannot send it back using another payment method. This could be considered money laundering!

    Thanked by 1JasonM
This discussion has been closed.