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Calin iHostART.Com took our $22.5K and scamming us!

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  • Did anyone noticed how fluently calin wrote few posts? As if it was written by different person. That’s personal account sharing and it is against forum rules (?)

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @Levi said:
    Did anyone noticed how fluently calin wrote few posts? As if it was written by different person. That’s personal account sharing and it is against forum rules (?)

    It's written by Copilot.

  • @yoursunny said:

    @Levi said:
    Did anyone noticed how fluently calin wrote few posts? As if it was written by different person. That’s personal account sharing and it is against forum rules (?)

    It's written by Copilot.

    he managed what cociu couldn't back then.

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  • bytheWaybytheWay Member
    edited September 2024

    @MannDude said:
    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

    I’ve always been suspicious of the story this guy is spinning here. He clearly understands cryptocurrency and what KYC (Know Your Customer) means. When goSSD asked if he cared about KYC, he assured them he didn’t. For what purpose? To get goSSD to transfer the money and then quickly push the situation into a scenario he knew had no way out. Perhaps he was fully aware of goSSD’s disadvantage because they’re just a middleman.

    I even doubt the evidence (if there is any) regarding his bank’s request for proof of funds. For all we know, the money could still be in his wallet or under his control. Evidence that he contacted the bank directly, with a bank stamp, would be harder to fake than an email (which only requires a screenshot). That’s why there’s this story about him not wanting to go to the bank to resolve the matter in person.

  • @dosai said: to refund the entire amount if anything went wrong.

    @calin承诺如果出现任何问题,将全额退款。

    @yoursunny said:

    @ManishPant said:
    Wow that a lot of money everyone in LET can get a popcorn and a chilled beer with that money :wink:

    Calin buys tacos for everyone.

    @Hotmarer said:
    @GoSSDHosting you lost only $20,500, not so bad.

    That's 100x my entire net worth.
    I have like $200 in my name.
    At end of year I have to choose between lunch or ASN renewal.

    @matey0 said:
    Crypto probably comes from illegal stuff, customer used fake documents, Calin got himself a 💰

    Money confiscated by bank.
    Calin got nothing.

    Do you believe Money confiscated by bank, not by @Calin?

  • @dxsweet said:

    @dosai said: to refund the entire amount if anything went wrong.

    @calin承诺如果出现任何问题,将全额退款。

    @yoursunny said:

    @ManishPant said:
    Wow that a lot of money everyone in LET can get a popcorn and a chilled beer with that money :wink:

    Calin buys tacos for everyone.

    @Hotmarer said:
    @GoSSDHosting you lost only $20,500, not so bad.

    That's 100x my entire net worth.
    I have like $200 in my name.
    At end of year I have to choose between lunch or ASN renewal.

    @matey0 said:
    Crypto probably comes from illegal stuff, customer used fake documents, Calin got himself a 💰

    Money confiscated by bank.
    Calin got nothing.

    Do you believe Money confiscated by bank, not by @Calin?

    Eventually bank will release or reject funds. Thats plain scam and a big one. How he is not banned from here - beyond logic.

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  • @MannDude said:
    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

    after reading 20 pages of this drama, i arrived at same conclusion. it's just funny to see some larping lawyer with full mental gymnastics defending calin. oh well, content is content.

    @Levi said:

    @dxsweet said:

    @dosai said: to refund the entire amount if anything went wrong.

    @calin承诺如果出现任何问题,将全额退款。

    @yoursunny said:

    @ManishPant said:
    Wow that a lot of money everyone in LET can get a popcorn and a chilled beer with that money :wink:

    Calin buys tacos for everyone.

    @Hotmarer said:
    @GoSSDHosting you lost only $20,500, not so bad.

    That's 100x my entire net worth.
    I have like $200 in my name.
    At end of year I have to choose between lunch or ASN renewal.

    @matey0 said:
    Crypto probably comes from illegal stuff, customer used fake documents, Calin got himself a 💰

    Money confiscated by bank.
    Calin got nothing.

    Do you believe Money confiscated by bank, not by @Calin?

    Eventually bank will release or reject funds. Thats plain scam and a big one. How he is not banned from here - beyond logic.

    proud to be a part of LawlessEndForum™

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  • JasonMJasonM Member
    edited September 2024

    Indeed why Calin's bank asking the documents from GoSSD/Sender? They should/can only ask any material evidence from Calin only. Generally, what order was placed, what invoice was made, what products/servers rendered, etc. If Calin got money in his personal crypto wallet and transferred to this personal bank account, but the invoice/orders has name of his business (Man Hosting) then bank will freeze that amount. Transfers should be between his personal to personal account or business crypto to business bank account.

    Like I said earlier Calin seems not a intentional scammer here. but he appears to be a scammer as once the crypto (full payment agreeed between both parties) came into his crypto account and that he confirmed. Now if he does not provides servers as agreed upon or refund the full amount as servers are not delivered then he can be named as a scammer.

    Also, if tomorrow Income Tax officials or Police comes and confiscate that $20,000 then also he has to provide server or full refund. He can't give any BS excuse to GoSSD (OP) that now money is freezed/gone. No court of law is going to believe Calin and his excuses for not refunding the amount or not providing the servers as agreed.

  • @MannDude said:
    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

    Banks may ask for it to check the trail. That's a standard practice. Its to prevent money laundering along with to prevent terror financing.

    This forum can not help the case in any sort of form because it's beyond the jurisdiction of hosting.... It escalated in to a whole different level where most people here do not have any expertise in it. Experience doesn't even help here because different counties have different measures.

    India, from where gossd belongs I assume, is even stricter in these measures. He will be required to show more documents in legally pursuing the case than the ones which is required to release the fund to Calin.

    As for Calin, he didn't have a good reputation to begin with and everyone who bought his packages including me knows the weakness of his system (regular downtime).

    Realistically speaking, blaming each other here won't resolve anything.

    GOSSD should

    • either legally proceed against calin
    • or have to take this as loss.
  • @JasonM said:
    I can't say perfectly that Calin is scammer or not, though it might be seen as a scam because as per OP Calin failed/hide to provide information that "Any transaction over 10,000 euros must be verified by the bank" prior to sending money. Had he been said OP might have paid by other means or in the chunks.

    Secondly, we do not know in how many installments/small transaction did OP paid (out of total amount $20K). If those transactions are less than 10,000 euros then why Calin's bank is asking for verification/declaration?

    Third, if OP paid as agreed with Calin, lets say Crytop in chunks of $5000 (or euros) to Calin's conibase account, and calin withdraw all $20,000 (or euros) in single transaction to his bank account, then Calin is liable for all the money which is freezed by the bank. OP is not liable for this.

    @AlbaHost said: What i don't get is the fact that OP mentioned that he sent the money in parts to Calin's cryptomus account, and Calin transferred to coinbase to withdraw to his bank account. If the bank would like to refund (as per Calin's post here), then it would refund to coinbase and then coinbase to Calin's account. Based on what proof did the bank require OP's details/KYC if the source that the money was transferred to Calin's bank was actually coinbase? I assume that Calin's coinbase account is personal account rather than business account, otherwise it really doesn't make any sense though...

    that's what I stated in earlier comment. Calin's bank should verify the transaction/get documents from Calin and not OP. Why is Calin asking about OP and OP's buyer details/declaration/source of money, etc? It has nothing to do with it.

    Also, mostly Crypto is used to hide personal/business money trails and evade taxes in most of the case. So, if OP and their Buyer transacted in Crypto, why would they have any sort of bank documentation? Whats the use of paying in Crypto then, OP and his Buyer could have transacted in PayPal. So i don't think OP needs to provide any proof to Calin's bank.

    Tomorrow, let say OP buys in Fiat currency by Paypal from me and pays me $20,000 in 4 transactions of $5000 each. It goes to my Paypal, and then manual/auto-transfer to my bank in whole $20,000. Then my bank freezes this transaction and says to me that hey, you can't deposit $20,000 in one-transaction, now we freeze this amount for verification. Here, as per sales transaction OP has paid in full for their proudct/services purchase from me. Legally now I'm binding to either refund that $20K or provider services as agreed. If I tell OP, hey buddy my bank freezed your amount. (Or lets say my bank didn't freeze but I made another net-banking transaction and transferred money to my 2nd bank account and their it got stucked/freezed by 2nd bank) in both senario till looks scammy that I'm giving bull*hit reasons to OP that I did not get money. My bank account did get money and so is Calin's. Now, Calin has to refund it from other sources, or provider servers or whatever legal action and a bad reputation that no one should pay anything beyond $6/year vps to a unprofessional child.

    The crux of this SCAM is OP and Calin agreed to transact in Crypto. OP paid full amount (either in bits and chunks), and Calin confirmed in writting that his Crypto account received money in full. Beyond that what he does with that money, whether he transferes to bank, whethere he transfers to crunchbits, whether he transfers to another third party, donates, or just keeps in his fat crypto wallet is nothing to do for OP. There seems no agreement that Calin told OP that if he was able to withdraw full $20000 in cash then only he will provide servers. No this never happend. So Calin is at fault. It looks a scam, when you got money in your Crypto account, you acknowledged that you got, and then give irrational, non-believable excuses that money got stuck/freezed by third party (here bank). Go and fight your money from your bank. OP has nothing to provide any documentation/declaration to third party. He may be provide to your Crypto provider if transaction seems laundering or terrorism, but why a third-party bank? LOL.

    You get the point, I can't agree more.

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  • M66BM66B Veteran
    edited September 2024

    A narrow mind results in a simplistic view of the world.

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  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Patron Provider
    edited September 2024

    @MannDude said:
    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

    That's what i wrote multiple times, i even wrote that if that "bank" would do something like this, happy to provide everything to Calin and let the bank refund to me as a 3rd person that has nothing to do with the payment source as it was sent as crypto to cryptomus>Calin's account>coinbase>Calin's account>Bank>Calin's account! So, the OP has fulfilled his duty when he transferred the crypto to first merchant>cryptomus! All after what Calin did with that amount how he transferred is Calin's responsibility and not the OP's!
    It is amazing that some members here backing up Calin and his mistakes and blame the OP (yes you can blame the OP that he was too naive to sent that amount of money to Calin), but you can't blame the OP after he completed and transferred the crypto amount to cryptomus, and the Calin transferred in third platform to fiat or whatsoever!
    Calin trying to prove himself just with "words" that he did not scammed the OP, hiding through GDPR law but when sending those "proofs/docs" that are GDPR protected to mods/admins he still broke the GDPR law, since mods/admins except the forum privileges as a mod/admin are nothing more and nothing less than all other members on this forum, in other words individuals and not govs representatives. Not to mention that if Calin have "proofs" he can easily redact the personal details we do it all the time here on this forum, and nothing wrong with that and the GDPR law if you redact the sensitive information and provide that "proof" to the community.
    He proudly mentioned in his previous post and provided the screenshots of $40k+ payments in crypto that he sent to Crunchbit, my question to Calin is: Why did you decide to keep $40k in crypto to pay to Crunchbit invoices with crypto payment, but not keeping $20k that the OP transferred to you?! But instead you decide to transfer $20k of the OP to transfer to the bank? Why would you blame the OP for your poorly decisions and actions after the OP completed his payment to your first crypto processor which is cryptomus and not after coinbase?! Can you show us the proofs since OP mentioned he sent the payments in parts in amount of $2k-3k-4k-5k-6k in timespan of two weeks that you did not withdrawed or paid something else with those amounts before without having to wait the last penny and then withdraw to your bank!
    Now Calin decided to go through "legal" way demanding that the customer can file a complain to "police" in which he maybe think that this is not possible since the OP is from India and not EU! My personal opinion about this is because there is no doubt that Calin requested the OP to sent the amount to his personal account and not business account and he can get away with it!
    If Calin provided those "proofs" to @jbiloh , as a community member i demand to redact details and provide to the comunnity and not leaving us to guess that there are double standards!

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @AlbaHost dude an extra line break between paragraphs please :D

  • @TimboJones said:

    @Falzo said:
    very interesting read and ... opinions.

    there is so much yadda yadda going on about the possible motives, mistakes, stupidity on both sides... trying to put emotions aside, I think we should have a simple vote:

    If you buy something from someone and you both agree that the payment is to be done via crypto - would you consider yourself responsible for anything that happens to said crypto after you sent it to the seller and the transaction/receival was confirmed?

    [ ] yes
    [ ] no

    I haven't read the relies to this post yet, but I thought it was generally accepted there's no refunds when paying by crypto.

    there actually was no question about refunds in that ;-)

    though, probably worth another vote about the sentiment of putting the burden of losing the money when paying in crypto onto the buyer.
    aka, if you are willing to pay in crypto you agree on being responsible if the money got lost before delivery of the service?

  • @MannDude said:
    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

    so much this!

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Falzo said:

    @MannDude said:
    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

    so much this!

    a little bit that!

  • @emgh said:

    @Falzo said:

    @MannDude said:
    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

    so much this!

    a little bit that!

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  • Can someone post relevant gif for this situation? Gig should be ironic, sarcastic, sad and exactly to the point.

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  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    @emgh said:

    @Falzo said:

    @MannDude said:
    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

    so much this!

    a little bit that!

    I'm only versed in Bird Law, so I don't understand the complexities of ancient Romanian banking laws.

    Seems like the only verification documents the bank has received was the fake ones that original buyer supplied, who is neither a customer of the bank or a customer of the bank's customer (Calin). I somehow doubt that a bank would be interested in the source that far down the chain. Calin has a business. He has a customer, who is a business (GoSSD). There was a business transaction that in itself is totally legit between GoSSD and Calin. The bank doesn't have knowledge of the structuring of small crypto payments, or any of that. The bank only knows it received 20,000 Eur from CoinBase, and wants to know why. They think it's odd. Should be a simple, "I run a business, this is my proof. My customer is a business, here is there business information. These funds are to fulfill an order that they have placed."

    I'd assume any concern the bank may have beyond their direct customer and the source of funds (his direct customer) wouldn't be investigated by the bank and would then be a law enforcement matter, but I don't know what reach banks have when it comes to such concerns.

    Then again, I'm just a casual observer to this thread. Maybe it was just a big woopsie and everyone will be friends in the end.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited September 2024

    @MannDude said: I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They don't. They are investigating Calin's funds, and he can't prove the source, so he simply puts that on the client. It would be funny if there were crypto from 50 or 100 of his clients in the wallet that he tryed to cash out and the funds got frozen. Would he blame all of them?

  • I think it would be best if Calin paid an attorney to help him sort out his situation with the bank and/or government.

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  • JasonMJasonM Member
    edited September 2024

    @Levi said: Can someone post relevant gif for this situation? Gig should be ironic, sarcastic, sad and exactly to the point.

    Calin crying with all the money he received but can't use at the moment


    then...

    GoSSD (OP) and his client right now! and checking refund if any!!!


    GoSSD's Client to GoSSD


    and then..

    Calin after few days when this drama is over and funds are released (secretly)

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Levi said:
    Can someone post relevant gif for this situation? Gig should be ironic, sarcastic, sad and exactly to the point.

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited September 2024

    @Levi said:
    Can someone post relevant gif for this situation? Gig should be ironic, sarcastic, sad and exactly to the point.

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  • @JasonM said: funds

    Holy shit, that was a gooood gifs. Thank you, I spit my coffee while rofl'coptering!

    Thanked by 1JasonM
  • apollo15apollo15 Member
    edited September 2024

    @MannDude said: They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    no it would not. He transferred it to PRIVATE bank account to avoid taxes.

    Not only scammer, but a stupid one.

  • @apollo15 said:

    @MannDude said: They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    no it would not. He transferred it to PRIVATE bank account to avoid taxes.

    Not only scammer, but a stupid one.

    And not his first time dealing with an issue with crypto

  • @apollo15 said:

    no it would not. He transferred it to PRIVATE bank account to avoid taxes.

    If he sold the crypto shortly after receiving it, there would be almost no taxable profit...

  • This story has only one solution. @GoSSDHosting should go to police and if @Calin is found guilty he should pay if not business as usual and this threat should not exist since is bad comercial and can affect Calin's business. In this case he can sue GoSSDHosting for lying and losing money

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