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Calin iHostART.Com took our $22.5K and scamming us!

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  • Having a bank ask you for all this bs over 22K is kinda weird. Not that its unheard of but businesses move 200K+ in a single day all the time. Like even a regular person spends 22K on a new car or sells one for 22K in cash. I read the thread and it seems like it may be the way Calin attempted to move the money into his bank causing the bank to think that it is structuring or something similar? The banks attitude makes me think that calin triggered something internally in the bank they aren't telling him about yet. I could be missing something from the thread tho?

  • @M66B said: We need more popcorn

    Alright , I don't want to be bad, but I think that most people here are just looking for a scandal, and I'm already tired of answering the same questions and being constantly accused of stealing some money

    It can be seen that @GOSSDHosting has not yet answered a lot of questions, nor should it, if a legal entity considered this questionable, neither I nor LET should judge this

    What I see here is more precisely a misunderstanding between two legal entities with a business (B2B) , these things are done legally, not considered by a forum with some random members , again, don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for all those who chose to purchase services from me, and without these people I wouldn't have been at this point and I wouldn't have reached this point without the help of the community , but there is already a very big discrepancy, from accusing me of stealing money and tax evasion to the legal problems that are actually real, related to this transaction

    I consider the rank of provider, it was removed for no reason , I sent the evidence to @jbiloh what it's free to share to all @Mods , the problem can be seen with the free eye. iHostART.Com, as a legal entity MAN Hosting GMB H S.R.L or Maniu Călin-Robert I I (https://www.listafirme.ro/man-hosting-gmb-srl-44507600/) & (https://legalfirme.ro/maniu-calin-robert-intreprindere-individuala-49689855/)it is not a phantom company that appeared overnight, and we have all the legal information published all over the internet, information that has existed for more than 4 years , (Registered On 2020-08-17 - https://who.is/whois/ihostart.com )

    @GoSSDHosting he can report me to the police if he wants, and I will definitely help the bank if necessary to find this client, because he is accusing me unjustly for some deeds that I did not do

    **As a final note, this thread is only made by @GoSSDHosting to put pressure on me,again, what I see here is a B2B problem that is solved with police reports and the like , I have provided enough evidence that the money is blocked, and if @Mods want possible show more.
    **

    As I said, today I spoke with the bank and I did not receive any news from them, at the same time they do not want any new information, most likely they reported the transaction to the competent services considering that this story is already unfolding for more than 2 months

    I am writing this because there have been several conspiracies here on the thread and several of my clients have come and asked me a lot of questions , I'm i m go to deadpool , if all customers now need KYC , if I'm steal money etc... etc... these are just problems that affect my image . I have always accepted people to say anything about me, because I support freedom of expression , but it has already reached another point

    @Mods I'm appreciate if thread it's close , preferable after a confirmation of @GoSSDHosting took a legal path related to this , it's already 2 days from this thread exist , let's say 1 day (not include sunday) because it's all close in general

    ** A real scamer don't have whatsapp , don't have public profiles , don't have a real company , start delete all conversations , don't show to the "customer what scam" bank details with ID bank account and other things etc...

    Regards,
    Calin

  • CalinCalin Member
    edited September 2024

    Which part of the bank unlocked the funds for the refund, but the refund should only happen to the first bank from the first account statement that offered it, as proof that the statement is real and the bank just doesn't understand what's on it, that was the bank's idea , but even that didn't happen

  • A finnal small mention , all bank statements it's from turkey , so it's more easy to found me , because turkey it's on European union so all this it's more easy for fix , just customer it's from outside of European union (India) and make more difficulty the invoice thing

    Regards

  • BruhGamer12BruhGamer12 Member
    edited September 2024

    Calin I don't think people believe that you are putting the money into your pocket and gambling with it - they understand that ur financial institution is asking for documents that @GoSSDHosting is unwilling or unable to provide. However, you can't advertise yourself as accepting clients that skirt western law, as @GoSSDHosting is likely doing, and then not have the systems in place for situations where western law bites back like this - whether it be an understanding bank, using multiple accounts as a backup, having an attorney to help you and the bank communicate properly for your business - whatever it comes down to. People are being angry that you are getting money seized by courts and legal processes for extended periods of time and that you haven't made yourself a system of profoessional financial, legal, and business components that protects you from this problem.

  • johndeo983johndeo983 Member
    edited September 2024

    @Calin said:
    turkey it's on European union

    No it's not
    You got paid doesn't matter if its crypto, cash, Paypal, gold or dog shit
    Agreement was made, what you do with the dog shit is your business not the client you have you deliver or refund it back
    Your bank has no constitutional authority to request identification details of a Turkish citizen, they are investigating you not him
    End of story

  • I was under the impression as was the OP the money was frozen as soon as he converted it from coinbase to his bank.

    It was not, he sent a video to the OP of him accessing the funds.

    The servers should have been bought and the order fullfilled at this point.

    Anything else after this doesnt even matter if he is trying to blame the OP

  • @johndeo983 said:

    @Calin said:
    turkey it's on European union

    No it's not
    You got paid doesn't matter if its crypto, cash, Paypal, gold or dog shit
    Agreement was made, what you do with the dog shit is your business not the client you have you deliver or refund it back
    Your bank has no constitutional authority to request identification details of a Turkish citizen, they are investigating you not him
    End of story

    Spot on do the right thing @Calin

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Calin said:
    A finnal small mention , all bank statements it's from turkey , so it's more easy to found me , because turkey it's on European union so all this it's more easy for fix , just customer it's from outside of European union (India) and make more difficulty the invoice thing

    Regards

    No, Turkey is not an EU member.

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  • I'm send to @GoodHosting all my details , and my bank details , ID of bank , etc... etc... please confirm this aspect , we will see each other on the legal side, not on a public forum where or who "is an expert in banks"

  • @xieroxxx said:

    @Calin said:

    @Andru said: Good bye scammer

    Not my i'm scammer , most probality customer of @GoSSDHosting , I'm really don't want know from what wired transactions or what his customer steal

    Again , one of the bank statements what he give me have 67k+ Euros and on details it's >write "sebze ve meyve" aka "vegetables and fruits" , on a CRYPTO transactions about >Servers , He could write whatever, IT equipment, computers, technological equipment or >whatever, but not something like that... actually the bank gave an instant rejection to >this, do you understand the real problem behind it? In addition to not being able to >provide a name of the respective company, or a name of a natural person, he said every >time that they are individuals, who makes transactions of tens of thousands of euros as >an individual? It can be seen that it is a money laundering, if you stay with this from the >very beginning, I would definitely not have accepted his money

    This is still not your clients problem. You recieved funds through crypto for services, and you are not able to deliver, or refund him. So you are a scamming scumbag, period.

    Your issues your your bank is YOUR problem. Understand this..

    That's not what a scammer means and you keep looking more childish everytime you repeat it. You're clearly young and inexperienced. You don't even seem to grasp all the events such as the attempted refund that op bungled.

    Regular businesses run into similar situations from unforseen circumstances all the time but the adults don't go around crying "scammer".

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited September 2024

    @TimboJones said:

    @xieroxxx said:

    @Calin said:

    @Andru said: Good bye scammer

    Not my i'm scammer , most probality customer of @GoSSDHosting , I'm really don't want know from what wired transactions or what his customer steal

    Again , one of the bank statements what he give me have 67k+ Euros and on details it's >write "sebze ve meyve" aka "vegetables and fruits" , on a CRYPTO transactions about >Servers , He could write whatever, IT equipment, computers, technological equipment or >whatever, but not something like that... actually the bank gave an instant rejection to >this, do you understand the real problem behind it? In addition to not being able to >provide a name of the respective company, or a name of a natural person, he said every >time that they are individuals, who makes transactions of tens of thousands of euros as >an individual? It can be seen that it is a money laundering, if you stay with this from the >very beginning, I would definitely not have accepted his money

    This is still not your clients problem. You recieved funds through crypto for services, and you are not able to deliver, or refund him. So you are a scamming scumbag, period.

    Your issues your your bank is YOUR problem. Understand this..

    That's not what a scammer means and you keep looking more childish everytime you repeat it. You're clearly young and inexperienced. You don't even seem to grasp all the events such as the attempted refund that op bungled.

    Regular businesses run into similar situations from unforseen circumstances all the time but the adults don't go around crying "scammer".

    Don’t engage him. He’s been saying the exact same thing across too many posts to count. Literally 0 new info everytime. Extremely annoying tbh.

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2024

    Here is what will happen:

    1. Calin will get his provider tag back
    2. GoSSD will curse calin in this forum until he gets warned/banned by the mods
    3. This thread will be the best guide in the entire hosting industry about "How to get away with scamming over $20k USD".
    4. GoSSD will never see his money again, and neither will his client.
    5. Calin will use the money to expand his DIY datacenter/bunker and traveling.
    6. There will be sales thread once this thread has died down or locked by mods.
    7. Calin will get ddos attacked by the original client later on, or worse if the original client is involved with organized crime.
    8. Users wont give a shit because everyone loves drama
    9. This will repeat at least once by the end of 2026.

    If any of these turns out to be wrong, you can (temp?)ban my LET account. I will stake everything on these prophecies.

  • this has been an entertaining read

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  • @Falzo said:
    very interesting read and ... opinions.

    there is so much yadda yadda going on about the possible motives, mistakes, stupidity on both sides... trying to put emotions aside, I think we should have a simple vote:

    If you buy something from someone and you both agree that the payment is to be done via crypto - would you consider yourself responsible for anything that happens to said crypto after you sent it to the seller and the transaction/receival was confirmed?

    [ ] yes
    [ ] no

    I haven't read the relies to this post yet, but I thought it was generally accepted there's no refunds when paying by crypto.

  • So when is the dude getting banned?

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2024

    I still think Calin is just intentionally mudding the waters and using gossd's stupid mistakes against him constantly. As long as you can make this entire thing hard to follow, you can get away with the money. Everything is allowed if there's over 20k USD in crypto in the line. People would murder for less, and who cares about some online identity or forum seller access at that point lol.

    You can always blame the client to get some kind of justification for delays and other issues.

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  • @stefeman said:
    I still think Calin is just intentionally mudding the waters and using gossd's stupid mistakes against him constantly. As long as you can make this entire thing hard to follow, you can get away with the money. Everything is allowed if there's over 20k USD in crypto in the line. You can always blame the client to get some kind of justification for delays and other issues.

    Calin already stated he's not refunding the dude after promising to refund him no matter what(when they were "discussing terms"). He should be banned.

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited September 2024

    @xaoc said:

    @stefeman said:
    I still think Calin is just intentionally mudding the waters and using gossd's stupid mistakes against him constantly. As long as you can make this entire thing hard to follow, you can get away with the money. Everything is allowed if there's over 20k USD in crypto in the line. You can always blame the client to get some kind of justification for delays and other issues.

    Calin already stated he's not refunding the dude after promising to refund him no matter what(when they were "discussing terms"). He should be banned.

    I would do the exact same thing if I were calin. If someone was stupid enough to send $20k USD in crypto advance payments, I would fuck over them so hard, that they would feel like being run over by a truck.

    Not to mention, the sender is a middleman for an unknown customer. There would be no guilt over such a scam since you don't even know the buyer, nor you will care cause its probly something illegal/grey zone anyway.

    Anyone who says otherwise and would not do it in calin's shoes is either a moron or a liar. And even if you say that you wouldn't do it, just remember.. You live in Romania..

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  • @stefeman said:

    @xaoc said:

    @stefeman said:
    I still think Calin is just intentionally mudding the waters and using gossd's stupid mistakes against him constantly. As long as you can make this entire thing hard to follow, you can get away with the money. Everything is allowed if there's over 20k USD in crypto in the line. You can always blame the client to get some kind of justification for delays and other issues.

    Calin already stated he's not refunding the dude after promising to refund him no matter what(when they were "discussing terms"). He should be banned.

    I would do the exact same thing if I were calin. If someone was stupid enough to send $20k USD in crypto advance payments, I would fuck over them so hard, that they would feel like being run over by a truck.

    Yeah, the dude is definitely a dumbarse for sending that crypto, no doubt about it.

  • @Silvest said:

    @bobert said:
    where did he imply it?

    I edited my post. Fixed the image. They should release the full (redact some shit if needed) communication and all will be more clear lol. Empty promises

    Frozen funds doesn't fall under "small thing".

  • @emgh said:
    Political websites usually need to avoid DMCA?

    In the US, politicians regularly use music without permission. Play some clips of the rallys on the website and DMCA violation. :)

  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member
    edited September 2024

    @buddermilch said:

    @Calin said:

    EDIT:

    As I said before, I accepted more than 40,000 USD in the last few months in crypto and everything worked perfectly
    @Calin said:

    I'm paid over 1.400 euro just on taxes for last 3 months payments[of the accounting balance sheet] (June,May,April). This ''tax evasion" without any proof just make me very angry about this subject.

    So you accepted more than 40k EUR in crypto alone in the last few months and only had to pay 1400 EUR in tax for April, May and June?

    You pay taxes on profit, not revenue. Amazon barely paid any for years.

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  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member
    edited September 2024

    @stefeman said:
    I still think Calin is just intentionally mudding the waters and using gossd's stupid mistakes against him constantly. As long as you can make this entire thing hard to follow, you can get away with the money. Everything is allowed if there's over 20k USD in crypto in the line. People would murder for less, and who cares about some online identity or forum seller access at that point lol.

    You can always blame the client to get some kind of justification for delays and other issues.

    Calin doesn't have the money or business and sunk tons of hours of time into this farce. So I have no idea what your point was.

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  • @xaoc said:

    @stefeman said:
    I still think Calin is just intentionally mudding the waters and using gossd's stupid mistakes against him constantly. As long as you can make this entire thing hard to follow, you can get away with the money. Everything is allowed if there's over 20k USD in crypto in the line. You can always blame the client to get some kind of justification for delays and other issues.

    Calin already stated he's not refunding the dude after promising to refund him no matter what(when they were "discussing terms"). He should be banned.

    He didn't say "no matter what", he said a "small thing".

  • As a person who loves me some credit card cashback, if this was all good (not illegal), GoSSD would just pay by credit card and pocket 1-2% cashback and seamless experience.

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  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @stefeman said:
    Calin will use the money to expand his DIY datacenter/bunker and traveling.

    We think this item is wrong.
    We believe the money will be permanently locked by the bank or confiscated by the authorities.
    If Calin ends up pocketing the money, we will do 39 squats.

  • bobertbobert Member
    edited September 2024

    @stefeman said: I would do the exact same thing if I were calin. If someone was stupid enough to send $20k USD in crypto advance payments, I would fuck over them so hard, that they would feel like being run over by a truck.

    I would not do it, because if this money did come from crime, he's going to have to be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life, especially in a not so secure and corrupt country.

    And this thing is going to damage his reputation with legit customers even if the customer is really a criminal. He said he guaranteed a refund in case of KYC problems.

    @TimboJones said: He didn't say "no matter what", he said a "small thing".

    If someone is paying you 20k to avoid KYC, they are doing it to avoid EXACTLY these kinds of problems. This isn't a non "small thing", this is an "every day" thing when it comes to KYC.

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  • @bobert said:

    @M66B said: I'm sure you'll change your mind after you get locked into a KYC/AML procedure.

    The core problem is that the crypto sent to Calin isn't worth anything as it is. It can get value again, but goprove needs to properly state the origin of the crypto/money. That's on him, not on Calin, assuming that Calin did what he needed to do and is telling the truth.

    Calin "guaranteed" the customer that he would be refunded in case any KYC issues pop up.

    The fact that Calin needed to convert the money into fiat to pay for the servers does not mean he gets to break this guarantee. The customer was stupid in trusting an 18 year old to know business laws of his country as well, but Calin should not have taken the order or made that guarantee.

    Is Calin "legally" in the right to not refund the money? Sure.

    But if we're talking about his credibility as a host, Calin is clearly in the wrong.

    @danblaze said: I don't think Carlin is a scammer, but he really has a lot to learn as well as being more cautious.

    It's possible that he was just being dumb and didn't think his country has KYC, because he never encountered it before.

    But also equally possible that he knew and decided to take the order anyway while putting the risk on the customer, who was specifically paying him to avoid KYC.

    It's like accepting money for earthquake insurance thinking you'll never have to pay out because your business hasn't had an earthquake, and then when the earthquake hits, you say sorry, I can't refund.

    That’s exactly what I want to say. Even if someone tries to excuse Calin because he’s only 18 years old, or because goSsd couldn’t prove the source of the funds, we should look at the situation before the transaction took place.

    Final conclusion: Calin is untrustworthy, and from my perspective, a cunning scammer

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited September 2024

    I'm still confused why Calin's bank "needs KYC of the original customer" to return the funds.

    They (Original customer or GoSSD) didn't transfer the funds into Calin's bank. Calin did. They would need KYC documentation of Calin, if the funds were locked due to suspicion then you'd think a simple "Ah yeah, I manage a global ISP. A customer has paid us in crypto to purchase hardware to build servers, so I moved funds from our Coinbase account to our bank to facilitate the purchase of the necessary hardware to fulfill this business order. Here is a copy of the invoice and order." would be enough.

    If the funds entered Calin's bank by way of Coinbase, they'd only be able to return to Coinbase. I just can't imagine a scenario where a bank would just return thousands of dollars to an unknown 3rd party, in a different country, when they're not even the original source of the funds entering the bank.

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