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Calin iHostART.Com took our $22.5K and scamming us!
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No, thank you. Double it and pass it on to the next person.
I pass it on to @sh97
m y i m triple ddr ignor and pass to @crunchbits
its Daddy not crunchbits
Cryptocurrency makes sense in certain scenarios.
For example, nowadays if you want to pay for services from Russian hosting providers, unless they have a company established outside Russia to accept foreign payments, most of the time only bank transfers from/to Russian banks or payment with Russian bank cards is possible. That is, unless they accept crypto which bypasses those restrictions. Without cryptocurrency it would be very difficult or impossible to pay for those services as a foreigner.
Also vice-versa, if you're a customer from a financially isolated country like Russia, you can pay for services from western hosting providers with cryptocurrency (if available) when all other payment methods don't work (bank transfer, Stripe, PayPal, etc.).
And of course, there's the "privacy" aspect of paying with cryptocurrency. Suppose you want to stay anonymous when making payments, cryptocurrency is the option for you.
Those three uses for crypto are also why I think both sides should've stopped to think about whether or not paying 22.5K in crypto is actually a good idea, even if the seller "guarantees" there isn't any KYC. Always assume the possibility of getting hit with KYC when handling such a large amount of crypto, no matter if it's done in split payments or not. Of course, it's too late now but it's a good lesson to learn for the future, not just for them but for everyone else.
I hope anyone who reads "$22,500", "crypto", "reseller", and "DMCA-ignored" in the same sentence would have the same sentiment.
its owner not daddy
sh97 is the pet of crunchbits
As an uniformed party I wonder why any kyc requirements aren't dealt with before money changes hands. Seems bit backwards to be required to lock your money up for any timeperiod but that's just me.
Why do you think you need to register/identify in most cases before you can buy something?
I come from a country where cryptocurrencies can't reasonably be converted to fiat currency, but for all practical purposes, given the relevance and actual popularity of cryptocurrencies, there are still people who use them - including me.
Many people like me have a number of sensible and reasonable avenues to use cryptocurrencies - such as spending them with a cryptocurrency-enabled debit card; exchanging them sensibly over-the-counter using the C2C mechanism, or finding cryptocurrency-friendly banks to process everything and get it back into their accounts after paying a transfer fee.
There is a way around all of this, but only if you need to know this about cryptocurrency use.
I don't think Carlin is a scammer, but he really has a lot to learn as well as being more cautious.It's probably a lesson he should have learned, but it's too heavy for $20,000 dollars. Especially for his clients, and potential clients, it would definitely seriously damage his goodwill.
The relationship between cryptocurrencies and banks is particularly strained at the moment.
You can't just hit someone with "know your customer" before ordering. Many people want to order fast and anonymously if possible. There are many people using even fake information when registering, even though they know full well it is not allowed, but for some reason they feel safer that way. Having validations beforehand would only hinder the process and drive people away exactly when a provider is small and wishes to rise a bit.
The problem here is not the "know your customer" mechanism, the problem is crypto to fiat transactions and requested justifications by banks against money laundering.
It is hard to determine the fault. Maybe @Calin should not have tried to convert cryptocurrency into Romanian currency. He should have tried to use it as it was (cryptocurrency) while providing to customer their services, or return the crypto value back as cryptocurrency.
@gremeyer
You've got some point(s) there. And yes, in fact I myself use crypto-currency for exactly that purpose (russian providers). BUT: I only use it as a means of transfer of small amounts, not looking for anonymity or other magic miracles (wet dreams) -and- I use a reputable (afaik) service in a reputable (afaik) european country to whom I transfer Euros via a normal bank transfer.
Also, and more importantly: the real solution for that problem is not crypto-"currency" but to bomb the living hell out of those regimes and banksters who terrorize others with sanction-terrorism.
Always remember! Without us, the normal people, they are nothing. "They" meaning the politsters, banksters and other criminals and terrorists.
The Rise of RedDaddy
Calin "guaranteed" the customer that he would be refunded in case any KYC issues pop up.
The fact that Calin needed to convert the money into fiat to pay for the servers does not mean he gets to break this guarantee. The customer was stupid in trusting an 18 year old to know business laws of his country as well, but Calin should not have taken the order or made that guarantee.
Is Calin "legally" in the right to not refund the money? Sure.
But if we're talking about his credibility as a host, Calin is clearly in the wrong.
It's possible that he was just being dumb and didn't think his country has KYC, because he never encountered it before.
But also equally possible that he knew and decided to take the order anyway while putting the risk on the customer, who was specifically paying him to avoid KYC.
It's like accepting money for earthquake insurance thinking you'll never have to pay out because your business hasn't had an earthquake, and then when the earthquake hits, you say sorry, I can't refund.
Yes and even worse that this isn't Calin's first rodeo. Gossd should have refrained from this by that alone. And Calin still gave all those empty promises and guarantees. His incompetence and greed knows no bounds. This alone should have raised enough red flags to not get into business
Calin shouldn't have made that promise, agreed, but on the other hand goprove shouldn't have sent vegetable crypto. Now they are both stuck in a KYC/AML procedure.
Note that neither party has access to the money.
They both got ($)($) in their eyes and now they both f*ckd
Putting the blame on the customer at this point is kind of silly. The customer paid huge sums to Calin specifically to avoid KYC.
However, when we asked him to show the error, he sent us a screen recording of him attempting a domestic transfer. When we questioned why he was using a domestic transfer instead of an international one, he responded with "Oops!" and then claimed that his account could only be sent to Romania and that he would have to visit the bank to make the transfer.
This raised more questions: If the funds were supposedly locked, why did he even attempt to make the transfer? And why was it a domestic transfer?
I havent seen an answer on these 2 questions above the OP initially had.
Did the transfer get flagged from the start by the bank cause he botched it completely?
And if the funds were already frozen at this point why did he attempt to transfer them? Cause they obv weren't frozen if he could access them
The junky paid huge sums to the dealer to get his stuff. That doesn't it make right and legal.
There's still no evidence the customer is a criminal. Innocent until proven guilty.
However, there's plenty of evidence that Calin broke his guarantee and accepted an order he couldn't fill.
In itself valid questions, and IMHO @Calin should tell here more about what he did to get the money unblocked (while respecting privacy), but in itself it doesn't matter because the bank, and it doesn't matter which bank, considers it dirty money unless proven otherwise. The result is that the money is worthless as it is now.
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As I explained earlier, the bank at one point wanted to return the money and the funds were available for that, here it was just a misunderstanding on my part, when the bank asked me for the details from the client, after that I found out that I actually have to go to the bank in person to make the physical transfer
Calin did break his promise, a promise he never should have made. Also, the money is considered dirty by the bank, unless proven otherwise. This doesn't say goprove is a criminal, but the fact is that the money can be unlocked only if goprove can prove it is clean money.
Greed Man... Its Greed.
Greed spares no one...
And?
Hey, we agree here! Calin should document what he did, present documents with names made unreadable, etc. Else it simply doesn't exist, and we can keep having doubts. We need more popcorn!
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It's been a long time since any of us have eaten
maybe you should open your wallet, so we can all be fed?
His order could have been fullfilled if you had access to the funds here. You could have ordered his servers and everyone is happy.
So if you had access to the funds and could have fullfilled his order at any point then the OP is no way to be blamed