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Calin iHostART.Com took our $22.5K and scamming us!
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You had all required data, while Calin does not, because he's not interested in that, but that's apparently his clients fault (by @M66B).
Honestly the whole situation, legally speaking, is probably fairly complex.
Even someone experienced in this field would probably have to put in x amount of hours reading all of the material etc to be confident in who's right and who's wrong and what is advisable for respective party to do going forward.
That leaves the mod team with quite the challenge, they're not lawyers. I think we can all agree that their next action in regards to Calin and his provider tag is extremely hard.
Well, probably not all of us, some seem 100 % certain that one party did wrong and nobody else did anything wrong, but I think most of us can agree anyway that there's no clear path forward for the mod team.
Regarding this: Calin should KYC too, so in that regard he has been stupid thinking that he could get away with it.
General note: I'm not defending Calin. I'm just trying to get the facts straight. KYC/AML is serious business and ignoring it can get you into serious trouble.
Far from every business has to do KYC. How do you know that Calin has to?
Calin is in the EU, so he definitely should do KYC. He can choose not to do it for whatever reason, but one day the bank will ask about it, and it seems that already happened ...
99% of clients host dmca crap and introducing kyc… That woyld be a move of the year. Even @FlorinMarian couldn’t top that.
Now you’re just guessing
KYC is not a legal requirement for every transaction so long as its in the EU
I'm not guessing. KYC/AML is mandatory for everybody. It is less relevant for smaller transactions (but check @Malin story), but if you are going to buy vegetables it is certainly relevant.
According to @M66B, KYC will be needed to buy popcorn if that’s in the EU
at this point, what reputation?
I like the picture. Where was it taken?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer#Laws_by_country
Wasn't the EU a country, ask for a friend?
I don't know, I took it from google. According to the information in the picture it is located next to the River Thames in London.
Previously he had to do KYC but now he dosen't anymore in other words, thanks.
According to the information in the picture it is located next to the River Thames in London.
Is this some kind of derailing sarcastic trolling?
If not: The EU, or European Union, is a political and economic union made up of 27 individual countries in Europe. It isn't a single country but a group of countries that cooperate on shared policies and laws, while each member country remains independent with its own government.
The implementation of EU laws may vary depending on the country.
OK, another angle and one many won't like.
crypto-"money" seems to be the problem, at least but not only, here. Had the money been transferred bank-to-bank the situation highly likely would be way, way less problematic. For one simple reason. bank-to-bank transfers are a well oiled machinery that is known well since centuries and I bet that there are books/lists/whatever telling a receiving bank whether the sending bank can be trusted (e.g. "KYC") and hence the transfer can be expected to not create trouble.
Insert another system in the middle, like crypto, however and chances are it might not work smoothly. The current case @Calin / @GoSSDHosting is even worse because if I'm not mistaken there also is yet another element in the middle (gossd).
IMO one of the lessons to learn here is: try to avoid crypto-"currency"!. As an engineer working a lot with/in cryptography I already was mistrusting the whole crypto-"currency" circus on technical grounds. Now I see that (of bloody course!) it's problematic from business and legal perspectives too.
Btw, @raindog308 @DP and other admins/mods, did you already receive evidence from either party (or ideally even both)? I for one would welcome and value your (presumably neutral) view regarding at least that part of the clusterfuck. Moreover, this being LET - and not a court - for us the most interesting point is which party, if any, played clean and proper and which one is escaping to lies. KYC and all the legal and banking stuff is not for us but for professionals anyway.
After 18 pages (IANAL) - I think I can say ....
@Calin is NOT a scammer as I do not believe there was a plan to take the money and run (a scam).
I also feel that many believe crypto is legal currency - well in "most" countries it is not. In some countries a camel may be used to buy something, but is a camel a legal currency no. We can choose to accept a camel (or crypto) as that is our choice but to someone else it may have no value.
Banks / governments want to protect their legal currency and it is up to them to decide if they wish to accept crypto - it is not up to us unfortunately. Do they have the right to 'hold' this money - well you gave them the right when you gave them the money (hence the whole reason for crypto).
So overall as has already been said, keep crypto as crypto and let the banks & governments deal with their money.
The problem with this 'transaction' is the bank / government was introduced by @Calin. If he needed 'real' currency to purchase hardware etc then he should have asked for real money and gone through the proper channels. Calin took the risk and Calin has been caught.
I am sorry Calin as I genuinely feel you want to build a business and provide a felxible service for your customers, but you made the decision and unfortunately it was not a good one.
I wish you well and can understand the pressure that this will likely cause, good luck and I really do hope you learn and get stronger as a result of this.
damn you are so smart, holy shit.
So Calin has been caught... so I guess this means customer (and customer of customer) has been fucked? Is Calin missing 22.5k$ because he spend them on servers or he is missing nothing?
Has this started as a scam? Probably not.
Is this (at least) second time that Calin does something like that with crypto without backup plan? Yeah
So, is this scam or just inexperience, again(?) and again?
Why dont you go fuck yourself you fucking cunt!
Greed from both where both lost touch with reality.
As in caught out (by the bank).
I have no other knowledge apart from what has been mentioed in 18 page read.
@Calin buddy, if someone pays YOU (your company) by any means (cash, cheque, bank transfer, happy ending) it is your full responsibility to render the service.
GoSSD did not ask you to convert the crypto or cash it out at the bank. It was your own decision. You could have even just donated the whole crypto which GoSSD sent or you could've even deleted the crypto - it doesn't matter to GoSSD, that is your own call. Once the client pays you money then he is not bothered what you do with it. He is just concerned about getting the services rendered.
So either you refund the whole amount or provide them with the service as its none of their concern how you utilize the payment paid to your account. That should put an end to this whole fiasco else you'll be termed as a scammer. Sorry to be harsh but it is what it is.
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I'm sure you'll change your mind after you get locked into a KYC/AML procedure.
The core problem is that the crypto sent to Calin isn't worth anything as it is. It can get value again, but goprove needs to properly state the origin of the crypto/money. That's on him, not on Calin, assuming that Calin did what he needed to do and is telling the truth.
Fair. I can speak for Indian laws as a similar situation had made me run rounds of banks & Govt. officials. It was solved with the help of consultants.