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Calin iHostART.Com took our $22.5K and scamming us!
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I wouldn't say it's too offtopic here and is a good question. I think the hard part with the mods intervening is that it is difficult to tell when it crosses the line and becomes a scam. If you bought it and the services are up, it's technically not a scam. 2 days later they deadpool? Scam. It's such a gray area that I honestly don't know how they even would moderate it better. It seems to me that it is a pretty 0 or 1 problem:
How do you detect it earlier? There are definitely valid "too cheap" deals, but imho it's all "buyer beware" and "do your due diligence". I'd probably say one of the biggest red flags is if the provider only sells extremely cheap stuff and has no presence anywhere else.
I also didn't necessarily mean it about a $5/yr deal that if it disappears and you somehow can't get refunded, you're out one less coffee that month or something. More about the bigger priced dedi/long-term deals where it seems like all too often you see people tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny.
Regarding profitability it really depends. Maybe a host has some spare capital to deploy and rather than pay Google Adwords/Meta advertising they decide they'd rather sell some VMs @ cost for advertising/brand recognition. That is extremely valid both financially for the business and the user.
Sure.
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can i have a dollar pls
Very kind
Depends
What are you willing to do for said dollar
@Calin until this situation is resolved, your provider tag has been removed, you are not allowed to respond to any threads asking for hosting services, offer any services on this forum at the moment.
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Hello , thanks for notify! Yes it's very great decision , I'm waiting a answer from bank and I'm try to be all good!Unfortunetly not so much help due to hard communication with @GoSSDHosting
can someone use some ai shit to summarise this thread
1 push up = 1 euro
@Calin pays from the business account.
@commercial said:
No this is not how it works, not for this situation. The fact that the money came from crypto is pretty irrelevant. Calin 100% has the right to ask for information about where the money came from, because it's his responsibility to ensure that he's not being part of a money laundering scheme or other illegal transaction. If the customer gives falsified information, then Calin can refuse to give back the funds until real statements are shown, because, again, you can't give back suspected fraudulent money...
You can of course sue Calin, but the judge will still force you to prove where the money came from because that is the entire point. Calin is liable for the money, sure, but he's also liable to ensure that the funds are legitimate and that he's not accidentally handling stolen money.
I have to agree with the people who say this is real scamy looking behaviour by @Calin
However ...
Who gives USD20K to @Calin ? Dude is good for lolz ..but 20K? Of Uncle Sam's Dollars? After you were warned?
You had it coming
Zero pity for you, zilch
Correct me if I'm missing something here but the OP seriously resold $22K of servers on a network that's under permanent DDOS?
I have a storage VPS seeding torrents with Calin and it's alright when it's up, but I've deleted the Zabbix agent because the alerts were spamming me so much...but I'm OK with best effort uptime for seedbox at $36/year
id give calin $20k i just wouldnt be shady about it
I discovered a new opportunity for hosting providers from this post, that is, DMCA manages free hosting providers and provides sufficiently cost-effective products, because there are currently not many competitors in this market, and most hosting providers are concentrated in the United States, and Their DMCA is very strict and often shuts down customer machines, so as you know, there are not many such hosting providers in the world and they are cost-effective products.
what are you trying to say
Gimme $20k too.
I'll send you the pink crocs.
give me 20k and I'll give you a kiss on the cheek
I’m not here to pick sides, but as a business owner for the past 10 years, I can say this is the exact reason why I never in my life will accept crypto. It just is a pain for administration.
In The Netherlands (mind you, EU, so I guess for Romania, the same thing may I apply, crypto is a red flag for many banks. When I was with a fintech bank, I have read a lot of reviews about them. Most of the people that got blocked, were working with crypto one way or an other.
When you receive a big amount of money out of crypto funds, the bank will ask about the origin of the money. So I can very much understand @Calin his bank that they need additional proof. In The Netherlands, this falls under a law that is supposed to make money laundering / financing terrorism harder. Please note: I am * not * saying Calin is doing any of these crimes. I am refering to the name of the law in The Netherlands, which is called Wwft.
https://www.dnb.nl/en/sector-information/open-book-supervision/laws-and-eu-regulations/anti-money-laundering-and-anti-terrorist-financing-act/introduction-wwft/#:~:text=The Anti-Money Laundering and,money laundering or terrorist financing.
I can fully understand the bank will ask questions: “where did this money came from?” “Ok, it’s from your client, which client?” “Ok. And how did this client get the money?” Normally that would be irrelevant, but Calin’s client is a middle man / broker and thus this question could be relevant now.
The problem with crypto is that it is a very anonymous way to pay. It’s great for your privacy, but always a big problem when the bank will ask questions. It is almost impossible to fully prove where the money came from.
I’d advice strongly to anyone paying a huge amount of money, to pay with a regular currency and a normal business bank account. USD or EUR or whatever. That makes the transacion a lot clearer and can help avoid ending up with the problems described in this topic.
Always document all the steps, wishes and needs in a contract and try to make the money flow as clear as possible. I can understand if a Romanian bank blocks the funds, when it is unclear where it came from. Especially if this is a consumer bank account, instead of a business account. I’m not saying @Calin is right or wrong. I mean, we have all seen the topic where @crunchbits had to bail him out. I kind of had a deja vu to a similar topic earlier.
Also not saying Calin’s customer is right or wrong. As long as we don’t see any documentation (which probably won’t due to GDPR), there’s not much to pick sides on.
I wish both parties the best and hope this problem will be resolved soon.
can someone tell me as someone who doesn't read LET every day, why not trust calin?
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setting up a DMCA ignored hosting and accepting crypto now!
All in, not sure why the OP didn't just say, "Hey, sorry, we're not equipped to provide such a large order." or just send them an affiliate link to iHostArt or something.
I'm curious what the margin on the sale was for both middle men to deem this worthwhile.
I think last time this issue occurred was because Calin had previously lied about his age and Coinbase wasn't happy that he wasn't 18 or something. (Despite previously claiming to be 21+ on LowEndTalk).
EDIT: @GoSSDHosting was this the Telegram fella?
this convinced me to read the thread...
in fact I don't understand, why do people still dare to make such a big payment with a provider with previous got such issue before.
I hope Calin is clean here and keeps going. I always like to have more options for hosts who can keep up free speech content and give the middle finger to whining false abuse reports. But if he is really a scammer, I have no sympathy.
The comment from HostSlick makes me lean towards Calin being OK, but still, I think he should slow down on accepting some of these clients. There are only so many controversies you can be part of, even if you are "in the right", before people are sick of you. And it seems some people are already sick of Calin.
I can't say perfectly that Calin is scammer or not, though it might be seen as a scam because as per OP Calin failed/hide to provide information that "Any transaction over 10,000 euros must be verified by the bank" prior to sending money. Had he been said OP might have paid by other means or in the chunks.
Secondly, we do not know in how many installments/small transaction did OP paid (out of total amount $20K). If those transactions are less than 10,000 euros then why Calin's bank is asking for verification/declaration?
Third, if OP paid as agreed with Calin, lets say Crytop in chunks of $5000 (or euros) to Calin's conibase account, and calin withdraw all $20,000 (or euros) in single transaction to his bank account, then Calin is liable for all the money which is freezed by the bank. OP is not liable for this.
that's what I stated in earlier comment. Calin's bank should verify the transaction/get documents from Calin and not OP. Why is Calin asking about OP and OP's buyer details/declaration/source of money, etc? It has nothing to do with it.
Also, mostly Crypto is used to hide personal/business money trails and evade taxes in most of the case. So, if OP and their Buyer transacted in Crypto, why would they have any sort of bank documentation? Whats the use of paying in Crypto then, OP and his Buyer could have transacted in PayPal. So i don't think OP needs to provide any proof to Calin's bank.
Tomorrow, let say OP buys in Fiat currency by Paypal from me and pays me $20,000 in 4 transactions of $5000 each. It goes to my Paypal, and then manual/auto-transfer to my bank in whole $20,000. Then my bank freezes this transaction and says to me that hey, you can't deposit $20,000 in one-transaction, now we freeze this amount for verification. Here, as per sales transaction OP has paid in full for their proudct/services purchase from me. Legally now I'm binding to either refund that $20K or provider services as agreed. If I tell OP, hey buddy my bank freezed your amount. (Or lets say my bank didn't freeze but I made another net-banking transaction and transferred money to my 2nd bank account and their it got stucked/freezed by 2nd bank) in both senario till looks scammy that I'm giving bull*hit reasons to OP that I did not get money. My bank account did get money and so is Calin's. Now, Calin has to refund it from other sources, or provider servers or whatever legal action and a bad reputation that no one should pay anything beyond $6/year vps to a unprofessional child.
The crux of this SCAM is OP and Calin agreed to transact in Crypto. OP paid full amount (either in bits and chunks), and Calin confirmed in writting that his Crypto account received money in full. Beyond that what he does with that money, whether he transferes to bank, whethere he transfers to crunchbits, whether he transfers to another third party, donates, or just keeps in his fat crypto wallet is nothing to do for OP. There seems no agreement that Calin told OP that if he was able to withdraw full $20000 in cash then only he will provide servers. No this never happend. So Calin is at fault. It looks a scam, when you got money in your Crypto account, you acknowledged that you got, and then give irrational, non-believable excuses that money got stuck/freezed by third party (here bank). Go and fight your money from your bank. OP has nothing to provide any documentation/declaration to third party. He may be provide to your Crypto provider if transaction seems laundering or terrorism, but why a third-party bank? LOL.
Deliberately splitting a large transaction to avoid AML checks is known as structuring and is illegal in many places. Banks will be tougher on that than on large transactions with any necessary paperwork.
Now I started to worry about my 3TB storage plan on ihostart...
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Why?
I feel my 8k tentacle prom vidoes are not safe at ihostart, just kidding lmao