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  • @stxsh said:

    @Weirdjey said:
    🤣🤣

    you're JUST wrong.

    I edited it immediately. You are right. Silly me.

  • @Weirdjey said:

    @stxsh said:

    @Weirdjey said:
    🤣🤣

    you're JUST wrong.

    I edited it immediately. You are right. Silly me.

    I think there's about 3 of them that I get confused between, so I don't blame you. I'd be disappointed if at least one of the owner's aren't named Justin/Justine or something.

    Thanked by 1@Jay.zr
  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited August 2024

    @FrankCastle said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Do not fall for “too good to be sustainable” offer.

    Who defines what sustainable is?
    Sometimes companies have spare capacity just sitting idle so putting customers on it even for a normal loss might make sense for them to be getting something for it.

    How often do you see promotions from premium providers such as
    @crunchbits / @Clouvider / @hosthatch / @Layer7 / @host_c
    @NDTN / @labze HostBrr / @buyVM / @Shakib HostCram
    and there are few more

    And now, think of possible reasons .....

    If in doubt, pick premium providers

  • stxshstxsh Member
    edited August 2024

    @dev_vps said:
    How often do you see promotions from premium providers such as
    @crunchbits / @Clouvider / @hosthatch / @Layer7
    @NDTN / @labze HostBrr / @buyVM / @Shakib HostCram
    and there are few more

    I think the most important lesson here is.. keep promos as promos. When you see interactions like this:

    Provider: $10/yr. LIMITED STOCK! Act fast!
    User: I need 50 of these, asap.
    Provider: Send me a DM
    

    something's likely to go wrong.

  • @dev_vps said:
    How often do you see promotions from premium providers such as
    @crunchbits / @Clouvider / @hosthatch / @Layer7
    @NDTN / @labze HostBrr / @buyVM / @Shakib HostCram
    and there are few more

    And now, think of possible reasons .....

    If in doubt, pick premium providers

    I honestly thought Crunchbits might deadpool when I first saw some of their amazing yearly offers. But they are just really smart on how they pick which hardware to use and how they manage it.

    Your premise isn't wrong, it's hard to go wrong picking the premium providers but you can find a few diamonds in the rough that could turn into premium providers down the road if you aren't afraid of losing from time to time. It's a speculative market.

  • When I got a promotional deal from a premium provider for $5 / month for VPS with 2 dedicated cores ...it was hard to believe at that time
    But that VPS turned out to be very stable. And dedicated cores aspect was perfect for my use with Windows Server OS.

    Later that provider told me that he had "extra unused capacity on a server"

    Thanked by 1Frameworks
  • @dev_vps said:
    When I got a promotional deal from a premium provider for $5 / month for VPS with 2 dedicated cores ...it was hard to believe at that time
    But that VPS turned out to be very stable. And dedicated cores aspect was perfect for my use with Windows Server OS.

    Later that provider told me that he had "extra unused capacity on a server"

    The only thing better than that is you end up sticking with them because they're solid and next thing you know you're getting an email "Oh hey, we just upgraded our servers to the latest Ryzen 9 series and our network to 10Gbps. Your downtime should be no more than 5 minutes. Enjoy your free upgrade"

    Thanked by 1t0m
  • itsTomHarperitsTomHarper Member, Megathread Squad
    edited August 2024

    @dev_vps said:

    @FrankCastle said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Do not fall for “too good to be sustainable” offer.

    Who defines what sustainable is?
    Sometimes companies have spare capacity just sitting idle so putting customers on it even for a normal loss might make sense for them to be getting something for it.

    How often do you see promotions from premium providers such as
    @crunchbits / @Clouvider / @hosthatch / @Layer7 / @host_c
    @NDTN / @labze HostBrr / @buyVM / @Shakib HostCram
    and there are few more

    And now, think of possible reasons .....

    If in doubt, pick premium providers

    How about RackNerd and their never ending 10$ /y plans @dustinc :wink:

  • ShakibShakib Member, Patron Provider

    @dev_vps said:

    @FrankCastle said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Do not fall for “too good to be sustainable” offer.

    Who defines what sustainable is?
    Sometimes companies have spare capacity just sitting idle so putting customers on it even for a normal loss might make sense for them to be getting something for it.

    How often do you see promotions from premium providers such as
    ********* @Shakib HostCram
    and there are few more

    And now, think of possible reasons .....

    If in doubt, pick premium providers

    Well, it's just hard to keep up. What's new?

    Thanked by 1Ganonk
  • @itsTomHarper said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @FrankCastle said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Do not fall for “too good to be sustainable” offer.

    Who defines what sustainable is?
    Sometimes companies have spare capacity just sitting idle so putting customers on it even for a normal loss might make sense for them to be getting something for it.

    How often do you see promotions from premium providers such as
    @crunchbits / @Clouvider / @hosthatch / @Layer7 / @host_c
    @NDTN / @labze HostBrr / @buyVM / @Shakib HostCram
    and there are few more

    And now, think of possible reasons .....

    If in doubt, pick premium providers

    How about RackNerd and their never ending 10$ /y plans @dustinc

    RackNerd and few others are premium too.

    That list is not complete by any means.

  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep
    edited August 2024

    @dev_vps said:

    @FrankCastle said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Do not fall for “too good to be sustainable” offer.

    Who defines what sustainable is?
    Sometimes companies have spare capacity just sitting idle so putting customers on it even for a normal loss might make sense for them to be getting something for it.

    How often do you see promotions from premium providers such as
    @crunchbits / @Clouvider / @hosthatch / @Layer7 / @host_c
    @NDTN / @labze HostBrr / @buyVM / @Shakib HostCram
    and there are few more

    And now, think of possible reasons .....

    If in doubt, pick premium providers

    Hello,

    We also have premium offers

    $15 a year in London UK

    Plans from $3/ month

    :)

  • @nohavps said: $15 a year in London UK

    Link?

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited August 2024

    @tenpera said:

    @nohavps said: $15 a year in London UK

    Link?

    VPS LET x.1
    1 vCPU

    1 GB RAM

    25 GB Disk NVMe

    10 TB Monthly Transfer

    Full Root Admin Access

    1 Dedicated IPv4/v6 

    

    https://my.nohavps.com/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=1

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @FrankCastle said:

    @dev_vps said:
    Do not fall for “too good to be sustainable” offer.

    Who defines what sustainable is? Sometimes companies have spare capacity just sitting idle so putting customers on it even for a normal loss might make sense for them to be getting something for it.

    There's an adverse selection problem.
    Full price customers start cancelling.
    Discounted customers keep renewing.
    Revenue cannot sustain the hardware.

    Thanked by 1JasonM
  • HostMayoHostMayo Member, Patron Provider

    @dev_vps said:

    @HostMayo said:

    My 2cents
    UK Ryzen VPS
    KVM 4GB NVMe
    RAM 4GB
    SSD Storage 80GB
    CPU Cores 4 CPU
    Bandwidth 1TB

    what kind of cpu core ?
    Ryzen 5 or 7 or 9 ??

    Here you go:
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700X Server VPS
    KVM RAM 4GB
    NVMe SSD Storage 80GB
    CPU Cores 4 CPU
    Bandwidth 1TB
    Price 3$ Monthly.(No annual payment. We need the client to be active)
    Order Link: https://hostmayo.com/members/order.php?step=2&product=261&paymentTerm=1&paymentterm=1&couponCode=refugee

    Thanked by 1Franzkafka
  • @yoursunny said:

    There's an adverse selection problem.
    Full price customers start cancelling.
    Discounted customers keep renewing.
    Revenue cannot sustain the hardware.

    I don't think that's really a problem with the more serious providers with larger customerbase.
    We are stuck here in our little "LET bubble" and think this is how the world works. It is not. The vast majority of people doesn't even know what lowend means, so most customers are not hunting promotions or deals, they buy a product at a price that is acceptable to them and keep it as long as it works. A few dollars a year or month is absolutely irrelevant to them since their time is valued so much higher than that. That is why providers that sometimes run a promotion can survive on the profits of their normal line of products, but providers that only sell with unsustainable prices are...well, unsustainable.

    I often get caught in this bubble myself, trying to hunt down the best deals and getting pissed because it's 4$/m instead of 3$/m. It's kind of insane really, I spend three times that on coffee every day without hesitating, but when it comes to vps there is just something that makes me hunt for pennies. :lol:

  • HostMayoHostMayo Member, Patron Provider

    I often get caught in this bubble myself, trying to hunt down the best deals and getting pissed because it's 4$/m instead of 3$/m. It's kind of insane really, I spend three times that on coffee every day without hesitating, but when it comes to vps there is just something that makes me hunt for pennies. :lol:

    You are absolutely right, sometimes we just get involved in something too much that isn't worth our time and later I came to know a word for that "Analysis Paralysis"

  • VPS isn't coffee. isnt whiskey. isnt weed.

    Thanked by 1Frameworks
  • @HostMayo said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @HostMayo said:

    My 2cents
    UK Ryzen VPS
    KVM 4GB NVMe
    RAM 4GB
    SSD Storage 80GB
    CPU Cores 4 CPU
    Bandwidth 1TB

    what kind of cpu core ?
    Ryzen 5 or 7 or 9 ??

    Here you go:
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700X Server VPS
    KVM RAM 4GB
    NVMe SSD Storage 80GB
    CPU Cores 4 CPU
    Bandwidth 1TB
    Price 3$ Monthly.(No annual payment. We need the client to be active)
    Order Link: https://hostmayo.com/members/order.php?step=2&product=261&paymentTerm=1&paymentterm=1&couponCode=refugee

    YABS plz

  • # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2024-06-09                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Fri Aug 23 06:47:28 AM EDT 2024
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 0 days, 1 hours, 2 minutes
    Processor  : AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 8-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 3393.622 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 3.8 GiB
    Swap       : 2.0 GiB
    Disk       : 76.7 GiB
    Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
    Kernel     : 6.1.0-9-amd64
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ❌ Offline
    
    IPv4 Network Information:
    ---------------------------------
    ISP        : LayerBridge
    ASN        : AS212396 FyfeWeb Ltd
    Host       : Host Mayo LTD
    Location   : London, England (ENG)
    Country    : United Kingdom
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 81.32 MB/s   (20.3k) | 539.36 MB/s   (8.4k)
    Write      | 81.53 MB/s   (20.3k) | 542.20 MB/s   (8.4k)
    Total      | 162.85 MB/s  (40.7k) | 1.08 GB/s    (16.8k)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 573.03 MB/s   (1.1k) | 536.07 MB/s    (523)
    Write      | 603.48 MB/s   (1.1k) | 571.77 MB/s    (558)
    Total      | 1.17 GB/s     (2.2k) | 1.10 GB/s     (1.0k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 937 Mbits/sec   | 939 Mbits/sec   | 9.01 ms
    Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 928 Mbits/sec   | 930 Mbits/sec   | 19.7 ms
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | busy            | 480 Mbits/sec   | 112 ms
    Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | 563 Mbits/sec   | 600 Mbits/sec   | 237 ms
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 782 Mbits/sec   | 217 Mbits/sec   | 142 ms
    Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 882 Mbits/sec   | 642 Mbits/sec   | 77.2 ms
    Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 485 Mbits/sec   | 145 Mbits/sec   | 201 ms
    
  • nszervernszerver Member
    edited August 2024

    @HostMayo said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @HostMayo said:

    My 2cents
    UK Ryzen VPS
    KVM 4GB NVMe
    RAM 4GB
    SSD Storage 80GB
    CPU Cores 4 CPU
    Bandwidth 1TB

    what kind of cpu core ?
    Ryzen 5 or 7 or 9 ??

    Here you go:
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700X Server VPS
    KVM RAM 4GB
    NVMe SSD Storage 80GB
    CPU Cores 4 CPU
    Bandwidth 1TB
    Price 3$ Monthly.(No annual payment. We need the client to be active)
    Order Link: https://hostmayo.com/members/order.php?step=2&product=261&paymentTerm=1&paymentterm=1&couponCode=refugee

    i love hostmayo.
    but if i used a lot of cpu, 7 out of 8 cores were taken.
    1 core left.

    After that, I nicely asked for 2 cores back so that I could have 3 cores, because I had already paid for the next month as well.
    Unfortunately the GTA, NFS, server drains the cpu.
    This was not done anywhere else, if I used 50% of the core there was no problem elsewhere. only hostmayo had a problem with this.

    Thanked by 1HostMayo
  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @rcy026 said:
    I often get caught in this bubble myself, trying to hunt down the best deals and getting pissed because it's 4$/m instead of 3$/m. It's kind of insane really, I spend three times that on coffee every day without hesitating, but when it comes to vps there is just something that makes me hunt for pennies. :lol:

    VPS dollar is more valuable than coffee dollar.
    We spend $30 coffee dollars on BFCM to stay up for 4 nights, in order to score $6 VPS dollars dealz.

    Thanked by 1rcy026
  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited August 2024

    @HostMayo said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @HostMayo said:

    My 2cents
    UK Ryzen VPS
    KVM 4GB NVMe
    RAM 4GB
    SSD Storage 80GB
    CPU Cores 4 CPU
    Bandwidth 1TB

    what kind of cpu core ?
    Ryzen 5 or 7 or 9 ??

    Here you go:
    AMD Ryzen 7 5700X Server VPS
    KVM RAM 4GB
    NVMe SSD Storage 80GB
    CPU Cores 4 CPU
    Bandwidth 1TB
    Price 3$ Monthly.

    Customized YABS for this VPS @HostMayo

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Basic System Info
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     CPU Model          : AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 8-Core Processor
     CPU Cores          : 4 @ 3393.622 MHz
     CPU Cache          : 512 KB
     AES-NI             : ✔ Enabled
     VM-x/AMD-V         : ✔ Enabled
     Total Disk         : 76.7 GB (2.2 GB Used)
     Total RAM          : 3.8 GB (88.8 MB Used)
     Total Swap         : 2.0 GB (0 Used)
     System uptime      : 0 days, 2 hour 7 min
     Load average       : 0.01, 0.13, 0.18
     OS                 : Debian GNU/Linux 11
     Arch               : x86_64 (64 Bit)
     Kernel             : 5.10.0-23-amd64
     Virtualization     : KVM
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Basic Network Info
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Primary Network    : IPv4
     IPv6 Access        : ❌ Offline
     IPv4 Access        : ✔ Online
     ISP                : LayerBridge
     Location           : London, England-ENG, United Kingdom
     Location (IPv4)    : Newcastle, Northern Ireland, GB
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 81.57 MB/s   (20.3k) | 546.12 MB/s   (8.5k)
    Write      | 81.79 MB/s   (20.4k) | 548.99 MB/s   (8.5k)
    Total      | 163.37 MB/s  (40.8k) | 1.09 GB/s    (17.1k)
               |                      |
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ----
    Read       | 604.76 MB/s   (1.1k) | 548.23 MB/s    (535)
    Write      | 636.89 MB/s   (1.2k) | 584.74 MB/s    (571)
    Total      | 1.24 GB/s     (2.4k) | 1.13 GB/s     (1.1k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 936 Mbits/sec   | 937 Mbits/sec   | 8.98 ms
    Eranium         | Amsterdam, NL (100G)      | 931 Mbits/sec   | 930 Mbits/sec   | 19.9 ms
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 878 Mbits/sec   | 461 Mbits/sec   | 108 ms
    Leaseweb        | Singapore, SG (10G)       | 258 Mbits/sec   | 596 Mbits/sec   | 237 ms
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 814 Mbits/sec   | 205 Mbits/sec   | 142 ms
    Leaseweb        | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 788 Mbits/sec   | 546 Mbits/sec   | 77.2 ms
    Edgoo           | Sao Paulo, BR (1G)        | 715 Mbits/sec   | 219 Mbits/sec   | 206 ms
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 1653
    Multi Core      | 5441
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/22802203
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 2173
    Multi Core      | 6690
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7451556
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Speedtest.net 
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Location         Latency     Loss    DL Speed       UP Speed       Server
    
     Nearest            8.02 ms   0.0%    938.52 Mbps    937.10 Mbps    VeloxServ Communications - London
    
     Dallas, US       113.33 ms   0.0%    806.76 Mbps    769.64 Mbps    i3D.net - Dallas, TX
     Houston, TX      116.62 ms   0.0%    908.43 Mbps    449.17 Mbps    Ezee Fiber - Houston, TX
     Chicago, IL       94.25 ms   0.0%    807.28 Mbps    871.86 Mbps    Enzu.com - Chicago, IL
     Miami, US        108.13 ms   N/A     917.99 Mbps    748.87 Mbps    Dish Wireless - Miami, FL
     New York, NY      83.44 ms   0.0%    919.90 Mbps    914.83 Mbps    Surfshark Ltd - New York, NY
     Miami, FL        107.13 ms   0.0%    905.01 Mbps    803.82 Mbps    ReliableSite Hosting - Miami, FL
     Spokane, WA      156.37 ms   0.0%    656.69 Mbps    558.32 Mbps    Crunchbits - Spokane, WA
     Seattle, WA      149.66 ms   0.0%    713.52 Mbps    588.97 Mbps    Misaka Network, Inc. - Seattle, WA
     Los Angeles, US  140.11 ms   0.0%    921.10 Mbps    631.14 Mbps    ReliableSite Hosting - Los Angeles, CA
     San Jose, CA     137.18 ms   0.0%    774.49 Mbps    642.54 Mbps    Misaka Network, Inc. - San Jose, CA
    
     London, UK         8.02 ms   0.0%    938.52 Mbps    937.10 Mbps    VeloxServ Communications - London
     Amsterdam, NL     19.30 ms   0.0%    943.72 Mbps    922.61 Mbps    31173 Services AB - Amsterdam
     Paris, FR         14.95 ms   N/A     944.57 Mbps    931.31 Mbps    Axione - Paris
     Frankfurt, DE     20.17 ms   0.0%    941.21 Mbps    872.53 Mbps    Clouvider Ltd - Frankfurt am Main
     Warsaw, PL        36.66 ms   0.0%    947.26 Mbps    874.67 Mbps    Play - Warszawa
     Kyiv, UA          49.50 ms   0.0%    926.94 Mbps    911.56 Mbps    O3 - Kyiv
     Bucharest, RO     47.55 ms   0.0%    936.45 Mbps    732.61 Mbps    Vodafone Romania Fixed – Bucharest - Bucharest
    
     Bangalore, IN    153.04 ms   0.0%    567.85 Mbps    564.29 Mbps    Bharti Airtel Ltd - Bangalore
     Chennai, IN      233.95 ms   N/A     678.38 Mbps    352.26 Mbps    Jio - Chennai
     Mumbai, IN       197.58 ms   0.0%    701.44 Mbps    413.06 Mbps    i3D.net - Mumbai
     Mumbai, MH       138.16 ms   N/A     571.77 Mbps    613.47 Mbps    Jio - Mumbai
     Delhi, IN        151.27 ms   0.0%    592.29 Mbps    585.68 Mbps    Tata Play Fiber - New Delhi
    
     Jeddah, SA        76.05 ms   0.0%    948.31 Mbps    876.38 Mbps    Saudi Telecom Company
     Dubai, AE        271.34 ms   0.0%    847.78 Mbps    317.41 Mbps    du - Dubai
    
     Hong Kong        179.25 ms   0.0%    527.53 Mbps    376.12 Mbps    Misaka Network, Inc. - Hong Kong
     Sydney           280.86 ms   0.0%    665.24 Mbps    20.02 Mbps     Telstra - Sydney
     Perth            339.05 ms   0.0%    482.67 Mbps    31.56 Mbps     Aussie Broadband - Perth
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Avg DL Speed       : 793.33 Mbps
     Avg UL Speed       : 645.66 Mbps
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Thanked by 1HostMayo
  • @HostMayo said:
    Sometimes I am amazed to see such low-end offers and makes me wonder how they are running the business. Anyways good gesture to allow time for backups. I still remember I suffered the same from @DediPath a year ago with only a few days to back up the whole data. It was truly a nightmare.

    So you learned your lesson about always having a backup, right?

    Thanked by 1HostMayo
  • nohavpsnohavps Member, Host Rep

    @tenpera said:

    @nohavps said: $15 a year in London UK

    Link?

    Hello,

    Out of stock, but we will add some available beads soon. ;)

  • hsrhsr Member

    UPDATE: Just got my refund from @justvm and with surprise they gave me a full refund.

  • servers_guruservers_guru Member, Patron Provider

    We cannot match justVM prices obviously but we can offer 30% recurring on all our regular 1gbps and 10gbps products with coupons:
    LET_10GBS_30
    LET_1GBS_30

    Making 1gbps starts at : 3.49 euro / month and 10gbps at: 3.84 eur / month.

    Locations include: Netherlands, Canada and US.

    You can check it out there: https://servers.guru/anonymous-vps/

    Thanked by 1Ganonk
  • AdvinAdvin Member, Host Rep

    @rcy026 said:

    @yoursunny said:

    There's an adverse selection problem.
    Full price customers start cancelling.
    Discounted customers keep renewing.
    Revenue cannot sustain the hardware.

    I don't think that's really a problem with the more serious providers with larger customerbase.
    We are stuck here in our little "LET bubble" and think this is how the world works. It is not. The vast majority of people doesn't even know what lowend means, so most customers are not hunting promotions or deals, they buy a product at a price that is acceptable to them and keep it as long as it works. A few dollars a year or month is absolutely irrelevant to them since their time is valued so much higher than that. That is why providers that sometimes run a promotion can survive on the profits of their normal line of products, but providers that only sell with unsustainable prices are...well, unsustainable.

    I often get caught in this bubble myself, trying to hunt down the best deals and getting pissed because it's 4$/m instead of 3$/m. It's kind of insane really, I spend three times that on coffee every day without hesitating, but when it comes to vps there is just something that makes me hunt for pennies. :lol:

    Most customers don’t know what a Geekbench and Yabs is and simply don’t care, as long as it works well for their use case.

    Thanked by 2rcy026 sasslik
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @servers_guru said:
    We cannot match justVM prices obviously but we can offer 30% recurring on all our regular 1gbps and 10gbps products with coupons:
    LET_10GBS_30
    LET_1GBS_30

    Making 1gbps starts at : 3.49 euro / month and 10gbps at: 3.84 eur / month.

    Locations include: Netherlands, Canada and US.

    You can check it out there: https://servers.guru/anonymous-vps/

    Your site's down

  • @Advin said:

    @rcy026 said:

    @yoursunny said:

    There's an adverse selection problem.
    Full price customers start cancelling.
    Discounted customers keep renewing.
    Revenue cannot sustain the hardware.

    I don't think that's really a problem with the more serious providers with larger customerbase.
    We are stuck here in our little "LET bubble" and think this is how the world works. It is not. The vast majority of people doesn't even know what lowend means, so most customers are not hunting promotions or deals, they buy a product at a price that is acceptable to them and keep it as long as it works. A few dollars a year or month is absolutely irrelevant to them since their time is valued so much higher than that. That is why providers that sometimes run a promotion can survive on the profits of their normal line of products, but providers that only sell with unsustainable prices are...well, unsustainable.

    I often get caught in this bubble myself, trying to hunt down the best deals and getting pissed because it's 4$/m instead of 3$/m. It's kind of insane really, I spend three times that on coffee every day without hesitating, but when it comes to vps there is just something that makes me hunt for pennies. :lol:

    Most customers don’t know what a Geekbench and Yabs is and simply don’t care, as long as it works well for their use case.

    Exactly. As a consultant I've helped thousands of customers get what they need. I use the word need, not want, because they don't know what they want. They need something that solves their problem, and that's it. They could not care less about Yabs, kind of CPU, bandwidth etc as long as it works for them. If I told them to buy a $8/year promotion from Summerhost Deadpool LLC they would do it, and if I told them to buy a $400/month resource pool from AWS they would. They have no idea what the difference is, but as long as it gets the job they don't care. These are the kind of customers that creates longevity, not the bargain hunters that demands premium services for peanuts and jump ship as soon as someone else is two cents cheaper.

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