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Low geekbench score because host cpu type not passed through?

d33pd33p Member

Hi,

I got myself a 4vcore 7950x vps yesterday.
First thing I did was a yabs run.
Turned out the geekbench score was pretty low:

Single: 887
Multi: 2645

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7213173

As you can see the cpu type is not passed through by the host, it is QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.5+.

So i asked the provider if they gave me the correct server (the ssd size was also not matching, higher than it should be in that case).
Their answer was that the geekbench score is low because they dont pass through the host's cpu type.
They could set it to the virtual cpu typ EPYC. That one would support more flags and would support geekbench better.

I am so confused. Geekbench of course is not a perfect representation of cpu power by any means. But isnt the score measured by performing various tasks? If not setting the correct virtual cpu type is the problem for the score, doesnt that mean that the overall performance is limited by that?

I dont know what to think about all this, I am not an expert by any means on that topic but what the provider says doesnt make any sense to me.

Can anyone please help me understand this?

Thank you <3

Comments

  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    What host did you get it from? It may be oversold by a huge margin, definitely should be getting atleast double the scores you got even on a busy node

    Thanked by 1Chuck
  • xvpsxvps Member

    Let me guess. EvosHosting :D

  • d33pd33p Member

    @allthemtings said:
    What host did you get it from? It may be oversold by a huge margin, definitely should be getting atleast double the scores you got even on a busy node

    @xvps said:
    Let me guess. EvosHosting :D

    unesty

  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    @d33p said:

    @allthemtings said:
    What host did you get it from? It may be oversold by a huge margin, definitely should be getting atleast double the scores you got even on a busy node

    @xvps said:
    Let me guess. EvosHosting :D

    unesty

    Oversold shite get your money back if you can

  • mustafamw3mustafamw3 Member, Patron Provider, LIR
    edited August 2024

    Chatgpt 4o

    I understand your frustration. The low Geekbench scores you're seeing are likely due to the way your VPS provider has configured the virtual CPU. When the CPU type isn’t properly passed through, the VM uses a generic or older virtual CPU model (like QEMU Virtual CPU), which can significantly impact performance.

    Geekbench measures performance by performing various tasks, and a low score often indicates that the VM isn’t utilizing the full potential of the hardware. This situation is common with providers that oversell resources, offering more virtual resources to customers than the physical hardware can support, leading to performance issues.

    To ensure reliable performance, especially if you need consistent and powerful CPU capabilities, I suggest considering a Virtual Dedicated Server (VDS). A VDS typically provides dedicated hardware resources without the virtualization overhead, resulting in more predictable and stable performance.

  • xvpsxvps Member

    @UnestyCompany, congrats on the lowest 7950 geekbench score on LET.

    @d33p, the server is clearly badly oversold. Move to a better provider.

  • d33pd33p Member

    @allthemtings said:
    Oversold shite get your money back if you can

    @xvps said:
    @UnestyCompany, congrats on the lowest 7950 geekbench score on LET.

    @d33p, the server is clearly badly oversold. Move to a better provider.

    tbf, I only paid about 20Euro. So not much harm done. But I find this whole situation somewhat sketchy.

    That said, does not setting the correct cpu type really limit the performance by that much?
    In that case, wouldnt that mean that the providers is knowingly limiting the performances of the vps?

  • allthemtingsallthemtings Member, Megathread Squad

    @d33p said:

    @allthemtings said:
    Oversold shite get your money back if you can

    @xvps said:
    @UnestyCompany, congrats on the lowest 7950 geekbench score on LET.

    @d33p, the server is clearly badly oversold. Move to a better provider.

    tbf, I only paid about 20Euro. So not much harm done. But I find this whole situation somewhat sketchy.

    That said, does not setting the correct cpu type really limit the performance by that much?
    In that case, wouldnt that mean that the providers is knowingly limiting the performances of the vps?

    They just massively oversell resources per node it’s common with these sketchy providers

  • AdvinAdvin Member, Host Rep
    edited August 2024

    If you don’t passthrough the CPU type, I believe AES accelerators won’t be available which results in Geekbench particularly reporting low results. I noticed quite a huge performance improvement when switching from the default QEMU to host or EPYC which passes through more flags that help accelerate the benchmark.

  • TYTTYT Member
    edited August 2024

    He oversold too much.

  • d33pd33p Member

    @Advin said:
    If you don’t passthrough the CPU type, I believe AES accelerators won’t be available which results in Geekbench particularly reporting low results. I noticed quite a huge performance improvement when switching from the default QEMU to host or EPYC which passes through more flags that help accelerate the benchmark.

    Thank you.
    Is not setting it it only impacting the score or also the performance?
    AFAICS, it would so limit the performance in some tasks, am I correct?

    Also do you know why the dont pass the correct type?

  • @d33p said:

    @Advin said:
    If you don’t passthrough the CPU type, I believe AES accelerators won’t be available which results in Geekbench particularly reporting low results. I noticed quite a huge performance improvement when switching from the default QEMU to host or EPYC which passes through more flags that help accelerate the benchmark.

    Thank you.
    Is not setting it it only impacting the score or also the performance?
    AFAICS, it would so limit the performance in some tasks, am I correct?

    Also do you know why the dont pass the correct type?

    It would limit performance for usecases that use AES encryption (and some other CPU features that I don't recall off the top of my head). You might noticce this if you're doing a lot of work involving TLS connections (e.g. HTTPS) or other work involving encryption.

    Thanked by 2d33p Chuck
  • @d33p said:
    Hi,

    I got myself a 4vcore 7950x vps yesterday.
    First thing I did was a yabs run.
    Turned out the geekbench score was pretty low:

    Single: 887
    Multi: 2645

    https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7213173

    Their answer was that the geekbench score is low because they dont pass through the host's cpu type.

    They could set it to the virtual cpu type EPYC. That one would support more flags and would support geekbench better.

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Thanked by 1d33p
  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited August 2024

    @Advin said:
    If you don’t passthrough the CPU type, I believe AES accelerators won’t be available which results in Geekbench particularly reporting low results.
    I noticed quite a huge performance improvement when switching from the default QEMU to host or EPYC which passes through more flags that help accelerate the benchmark.

    Thanks, @Advin.

    That is the most accurate and to the point explanation why CPU passthrough is important for VPS.

    Even setting to generic EYPC CPU will help with big boost in performance.

  • For my VPS, GB6 score.

    Processor  : AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 4200.136 MHz
    RAM        : 2.2 GiB
    Disk       : 49.1 GiB
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 1959
    Multi Core      | 5468
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6698667
    
    Thanked by 1d33p
  • d33pd33p Member

    @dev_vps said:

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Well, it's still the worst score for 7950x that I have seen so far. :D
    Given that they were able to set the cpu type to 7950x3d on your vps, it shouldnt be an issue to do so on mine as well.

    I will ask them.

    I would be fine with a score like yours, and even that is a score of a quite busy / oversold node.

  • @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Well, it's still the worst score for 7950x that I have seen so far. :D
    Given that they were able to set the cpu type to 7950x3d on your vps, it shouldnt be an issue to do so on mine as well.

    I will ask them.

    I would be fine with a score like yours, and even that is a score of a quite busy / oversold node.

    Well, when I got the VPS there was a different promotion. Look at the disk size and memory above.

    Your VPS could be set on a different host server and under different set to promotion rules. That would explain why they are offering to set CPU passthrough as generic EPYC and that would get you a decent performance boost.

    Again, try getting 2 vCPU 7950 for $3 from any provider, and that too on monthly basis.

  • d33pd33p Member

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Well, it's still the worst score for 7950x that I have seen so far. :D
    Given that they were able to set the cpu type to 7950x3d on your vps, it shouldnt be an issue to do so on mine as well.

    I will ask them.

    I would be fine with a score like yours, and even that is a score of a quite busy / oversold node.

    Well, when I got the VPS there was a different promotion. Look at the disk size and memory above.

    Your VPS could be set on a different host server and under different set to promotion rules. That would explain why they are offering to set CPU passthrough as generic EPYC and that would get you a decent performance boost.

    Again, try getting 2 vCPU 7950 for $3 from any provider, and that too on monthly basis.

    Well, that was the part why I was wondering f they accidently gave me the wrong vps.
    Mine also has 2.2GB and 50gb SSD although their promotion says 2GB and 25GB SSD.

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited August 2024

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Well, it's still the worst score for 7950x that I have seen so far. :D
    Given that they were able to set the cpu type to 7950x3d on your vps, it shouldnt be an issue to do so on mine as well.

    I will ask them.

    I would be fine with a score like yours, and even that is a score of a quite busy / oversold node.

    Well, when I got the VPS there was a different promotion. Look at the disk size and memory above.

    Your VPS could be set on a different host server and under different set to promotion rules. That would explain why they are offering to set CPU passthrough as generic EPYC and that would get you a decent performance boost.

    Again, try getting 2 vCPU 7950 for $3 from any provider, and that too on monthly basis.

    Well, that was the part why I was wondering f they accidently gave me the wrong vps.
    Mine also has 2.2GB and 50gb SSD although their promotion says 2GB and 25GB SSD.

    The current promotion is 25gb storage. So definitely you got a decent upgrade.

    So, if I were you, I would be happy if support can set the CPU passthrough to EYPC.

  • d33pd33p Member

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Well, it's still the worst score for 7950x that I have seen so far. :D
    Given that they were able to set the cpu type to 7950x3d on your vps, it shouldnt be an issue to do so on mine as well.

    I will ask them.

    I would be fine with a score like yours, and even that is a score of a quite busy / oversold node.

    Well, when I got the VPS there was a different promotion. Look at the disk size and memory above.

    Your VPS could be set on a different host server and under different set to promotion rules. That would explain why they are offering to set CPU passthrough as generic EPYC and that would get you a decent performance boost.

    Again, try getting 2 vCPU 7950 for $3 from any provider, and that too on monthly basis.

    Well, that was the part why I was wondering f they accidently gave me the wrong vps.
    Mine also has 2.2GB and 50gb SSD although their promotion says 2GB and 25GB SSD.

    The current promotion is 25gb storage. So definitely you got a decent upgrade.

    So, if I were you, I would be happy if support can set the CPU passthrough to EYPC.

    Well, I get your point but I dont see the issue for not setting the correct cpu type.
    At minimum its a huge blunder on their part for using the default QEMU.

  • @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Well, it's still the worst score for 7950x that I have seen so far. :D
    Given that they were able to set the cpu type to 7950x3d on your vps, it shouldnt be an issue to do so on mine as well.

    I will ask them.

    I would be fine with a score like yours, and even that is a score of a quite busy / oversold node.

    Well, when I got the VPS there was a different promotion. Look at the disk size and memory above.

    Your VPS could be set on a different host server and under different set to promotion rules. That would explain why they are offering to set CPU passthrough as generic EPYC and that would get you a decent performance boost.

    Again, try getting 2 vCPU 7950 for $3 from any provider, and that too on monthly basis.

    Well, that was the part why I was wondering f they accidently gave me the wrong vps.
    Mine also has 2.2GB and 50gb SSD although their promotion says 2GB and 25GB SSD.

    The current promotion is 25gb storage. So definitely you got a decent upgrade.

    So, if I were you, I would be happy if support can set the CPU passthrough to EYPC.

    Well, I get your point but I dont see the issue for not setting the correct cpu type.
    At minimum its a huge blunder on their part for using the default QEMU.

    As I said before, if you are not happy, just cancel the VPS and move to another provider and avoid that huge blunder

  • d33pd33p Member

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Well, it's still the worst score for 7950x that I have seen so far. :D
    Given that they were able to set the cpu type to 7950x3d on your vps, it shouldnt be an issue to do so on mine as well.

    I will ask them.

    I would be fine with a score like yours, and even that is a score of a quite busy / oversold node.

    Well, when I got the VPS there was a different promotion. Look at the disk size and memory above.

    Your VPS could be set on a different host server and under different set to promotion rules. That would explain why they are offering to set CPU passthrough as generic EPYC and that would get you a decent performance boost.

    Again, try getting 2 vCPU 7950 for $3 from any provider, and that too on monthly basis.

    Well, that was the part why I was wondering f they accidently gave me the wrong vps.
    Mine also has 2.2GB and 50gb SSD although their promotion says 2GB and 25GB SSD.

    The current promotion is 25gb storage. So definitely you got a decent upgrade.

    So, if I were you, I would be happy if support can set the CPU passthrough to EYPC.

    Also, originally I was considering moving over a substantial amount of my infrastructure over and get some bigger machine. So this is more like a test balloon. But if they cant even setup the machine correctly without the correct cpu type passed, it's a tough sell.

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited August 2024

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @d33p said:

    @dev_vps said:

    Setting to generic EYPC CPU will certainly help.

    That is still pretty good GB6 score, considering monthly cost is around $2.50 per month.

    If you are not happy with GB6 score, just cancel and keep looking if any provider will even offer you 2x 7950 vCPU for $3.

    do the numbers.

    Well, it's still the worst score for 7950x that I have seen so far. :D
    Given that they were able to set the cpu type to 7950x3d on your vps, it shouldnt be an issue to do so on mine as well.

    I will ask them.

    I would be fine with a score like yours, and even that is a score of a quite busy / oversold node.

    Well, when I got the VPS there was a different promotion. Look at the disk size and memory above.

    Your VPS could be set on a different host server and under different set to promotion rules. That would explain why they are offering to set CPU passthrough as generic EPYC and that would get you a decent performance boost.

    Again, try getting 2 vCPU 7950 for $3 from any provider, and that too on monthly basis.

    Well, that was the part why I was wondering f they accidently gave me the wrong vps.
    Mine also has 2.2GB and 50gb SSD although their promotion says 2GB and 25GB SSD.

    The current promotion is 25gb storage. So definitely you got a decent upgrade.

    So, if I were you, I would be happy if support can set the CPU passthrough to EYPC.

    Also, originally I was considering moving over a substantial amount of my infrastructure over and get some bigger machine. So this is more like a test balloon. But if they cant even setup the machine correctly without the correct cpu type passed, it's a tough sell.

    You are right.
    Just avoid that provider.

    I don't see you complaining about huge blunder of 50 gb storage allocated against 25 gb.

    Again, just go with provider whom you are happy with. And avoid huge mistake

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited August 2024

    cpu passthrough and AES-NI flags were enabled by support after raising a ticket.

    -----------------------------------------------
    Basic System Information:
    -----------------------------------------------
    Processor  : AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 16-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 4499.996 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 1.9 GiB
    Swap       : 0.0 KiB
    Disk       : 62.9 GiB
    Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
    Kernel     : 5.10.0-22-amd64
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 1609
    Multi Core      | 4515
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/22756351
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 2243
    Multi Core      | 6178
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7245377
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    
  • d33pd33p Member
    edited August 2024

    @dev_vps said:
    cpu passthrough and AES-NI flags were enabled by support after raising a ticket.

    -----------------------------------------------
    Basic System Information:
    -----------------------------------------------
    Processor  : AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 16-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 4499.996 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 1.9 GiB
    Swap       : 0.0 KiB
    Disk       : 62.9 GiB
    Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
    Kernel     : 5.10.0-22-amd64
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 1609
    Multi Core      | 4515
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/22756351
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value
                    |
    Single Core     | 2243
    Multi Core      | 6178
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7245377
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    

    Not sure what benchmark are you refering to? Is that one of your machines?
    Mine looks better now, but far from yours.
    I guess my vps is on a very busy node maybe an oversold server.

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