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Seller with GSL in Amsterdam or London or Frankfurt with BGP

bobertbobert Member
edited August 2024 in Requests

Looking for a provider that has GSL in western Europe like Amsterdam, London, or Frankfurt that can offer a BGP session. CPU: probably any will do, ram: 1gb, disk: 10 gb. Port: 1 gbit. Must be able to announce to GSL only and use their 1 BGP community to block everything but liberty global.

I would have gotten a dedicated server with GSL myself but they only sell $350+ servers in europe now with no plans to restock the others.

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  • Hello,
    our servers are colocated in NL.
    we can announce free subnets /24 or you can use our downstream for 12 euros per month

  • Hello thank you but I need GSL transit specifically and it seems like you don't have it.

  • amarcamarc Veteran
    edited August 2024

    our servers are colocated in NL.

    Again you are offering something you do not have / no one asked on random threads

  • @amarc said:

    our servers are colocated in NL.

    Again you are offering something you do not have / no one asked on random threads

    I must admit my guilt,
    I copied the message to the wrong thread :'(

  • @RoyaleHosting may be able to help you

  • @concept said: @RoyaleHosting may be able to help you

    they don't have gsl unfortunately

  • fluffernutterfluffernutter Member
    edited August 2024

    @MikeA resells GSL servers in NL, maybe he can help?

  • @fluffernutter said: @MikeA resells GSL servers in NL, maybe he can help?

    he doesn't offer bgp

  • VexeliaVexelia Member
    edited August 2024

    @bobert said:
    Looking for a provider that has GSL in western Europe like Amsterdam, London, or Frankfurt that can offer a BGP session. CPU: probably any will do, ram: 1gb, disk: 10 gb. Port: 1 gbit. Must be able to announce to GSL only and use their 1 BGP community to block everything but liberty global.

    I would have gotten a dedicated server with GSL myself but they only sell $350+ servers in europe now with no plans to restock the others.

    You might be interested in some of @RoyaleHosting offerings. Just to clarify, RoyaleHosting no longer uses GSL, but their own in-house multi-terabit scale protection that in ours and many others' experiences outperforms way better than GSL.
    (RH offers BGP bgp sessions for 25/month + 75 onetime for dedicated servers or colocation)

  • conceptconcept Member
    edited August 2024

    @Vexelia said:
    Just to clarify, RoyaleHosting no longer uses GSL, but their own in-house multi-terabit scale protection that in ours and many others' experiences outperforms way better than GSL.

    Good to know, I was not aware that they no longer use GSL.

  • VexeliaVexelia Member
    edited August 2024

    @concept said:

    @Vexelia said:
    Just to clarify, RoyaleHosting no longer uses GSL, but their own in-house multi-terabit scale protection that in ours and many others' experiences outperforms way better than GSL.

    Good to know, I was not aware that they no longer use GSL.

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/194841/royalehosting-ddos-protected-services-high-performing-dedicated-virtual-private-server#latest
    https://royalehosting.net/blog/arelion-upstream-provider
    https://royalehosting.net/blog/corero-partnership
    https://royalehosting.net/blog/ntt-upstream-provider

    I want to clarify that they do not solely depend on Corero for DDos Protection, but it is a layer behind their own in-house mitigation on all locations.

  • I forgot to mention that RoyaleHosting does not provide BGP for VPS.

  • Maybe Misaka in AMS? I know they have DataCamp and I think, from memory, they have GSL via Hyonix.

  • bobertbobert Member
    edited August 2024

    @Vexelia said: You might be interested in some of @RoyaleHosting offerings. Just to clarify, RoyaleHosting no longer uses GSL, but their own in-house multi-terabit scale protection that in ours and many others' experiences outperforms way better than GSL.

    I can't use RoyaleHosting because they have no pops in APAC.

    The sole purpose of me getting GSL in Europe is because they won't allow you to turn off liberty global. If I activate GSL in Asia, it sends people using Liberty Global in Europe to Asia unless I have GSL in Europe.

    @cu_olly said: Maybe Misaka in AMS? I know they have DataCamp and I think, from memory, they have GSL via Hyonix.

    They don't have GSL in any European pops and Hyonix is only in NJ.

  • @bobert said: They don't have GSL in any European pops and Hyonix is only in NJ.

    Anyway.

  • bobertbobert Member
    edited August 2024

    Oh ok it is for some reason listed as a peer rather than transit. I guess I'll see if it will work.

  • Your typing and my screenshot do not correlate. Anyway.

  • I'm using bgp.tools to check upstreams and since hyonix was deprefed in amsterdam, it did not show up.

  • @bobert said: The sole purpose of me getting GSL in Europe is because they won't allow you to turn off liberty global. If I activate GSL in Asia, it sends people using Liberty Global in Europe to Asia unless I have GSL in Europe.

    I dont understand this bit.

    Are you saying that, if you have servers with GSL in Asia, Liberty Global will carry it from EU->Asia instead of using GSL's backbone from EU?

  • LG -> GSL SG & AMS looks fine to me.

  • HybulaHybula Member, Host Rep

    @bobert Hi, if I understood correctly, you want a server/VM with a BGP session that includes Liberty Global? In case you are interested, we can offer you a BGP session in NL with AS35133, that has full transit from Liberty Global. Using the BGP communities, you can only export to Liberty Global. The AS path would be the same as your other PoPs.

  • kaitkait Member

    @Hybula said:
    @bobert Hi, if I understood correctly, you want a server/VM with a BGP session that includes Liberty Global? In case you are interested, we can offer you a BGP session in NL with AS35133, that has full transit from Liberty Global. Using the BGP communities, you can only export to Liberty Global. The AS path would be the same as your other PoPs.

    He wants GSL habibi

  • HybulaHybula Member, Host Rep

    @kait said:

    @Hybula said:
    @bobert Hi, if I understood correctly, you want a server/VM with a BGP session that includes Liberty Global? In case you are interested, we can offer you a BGP session in NL with AS35133, that has full transit from Liberty Global. Using the BGP communities, you can only export to Liberty Global. The AS path would be the same as your other PoPs.

    He wants GSL habibi

    Technically, it looks like an upstream for him with Liberty Global and the ability to do traffic engineering with BGP communities.

  • @Hybula said: Technically, it looks like an upstream for him with Liberty Global and the ability to do traffic engineering with BGP communities.

    I think he wants to use GSL's network/backbone without Liberty due to routing issues.

    But I do not see any routing issues towards GSL's network from Liberty/aorta.

  • bobertbobert Member
    edited August 2024

    @nanankcornering said: Are you saying that, if you have servers with GSL in Asia, Liberty Global will carry it from EU->Asia instead of using GSL's backbone from EU?

    I'm using anycast with a non-GSL server in London. I want my EU users to reach me through London.

    GSL peers with Liberty Global in 7 different places in the EU? So every packet from Liberty Global there gets handed off to GSL immediately, which then sends it to asia, instead of sending it to London. GSL does not allow you to turn off Liberty Global.

    So I cannot use any other provider even if they have Liberty Global because they don't have pops in all the places where GSL is in Europe, and even if they did, I can't afford that many.

  • edited August 2024

    @bobert said: So every packet from Liberty Global there gets handed off to GSL immediately, which then sends it to asia, instead of sending it to London.

    can you share mtr/traceroute? im not seeing this issue from aorta/liberty to GSL in london.

    if i use my logic correctly, if GSL is carrying UK traffic via Asia, then it should affect all european peers.

    not just aorta.

  • bobertbobert Member
    edited August 2024

    @nanankcornering said: can you share mtr/traceroute? im not seeing this issue from aorta/liberty to GSL in london.

    My server in London is Datapacket, not GSL. GSL hasn't had any server for sale in London for over a year and they don't plan to restock anything but the most expensive servers in NA/EU due to their profit margins outside of apac being low.

    You won't see this problem without an anycast IP.

    @nanankcornering said: if i use my logic correctly, if GSL is carrying London traffic to Asia, then it should affect all european peers.

    They send it to asia because I only have GSL in asia right now.

  • edited August 2024

    ok from what I understand now:

    You have anycast in London (with datapacket) and Asia (with GSL)

    Downstream customers from Liberty in Europe are routed through GSL because of local peerings in EU.

    the result, routing is going from EU -> Asia. instead to london.

    and what you want to do is, block/ignore liberty from receiving routes from GSL?

  • @nanankcornering said: and what you want to do is, block/ignore liberty from receiving routes from GSL?

    Yes, except I asked GSL for that and they said they won't allow it. So the only solution is to get GSL in Europe.

  • Actually never mind, probably can't use GSL. It appears to have really bad routing with Charter.

    Hop IP Address  Reverse DNS ASN RTT 1
    1   192.168.68.1            1.349
    2   75.139.96.1 syn-075-139-096-001.res.spectrum.com    20115   12.397
    3   96.34.133.86    lag-61.dtr02sfflva.netops.charter.com       10.182
    4   96.34.93.104    lag-23.crr01hlrgnc.netops.charter.com       19.683
    5   96.34.95.68 lag-404.crr02spbgsc.netops.charter.com      35.221
    6   96.34.2.50  lag-808.bbr01spbgsc.netops.charter.com      32.129
    7   96.34.0.184 lag-804.bbr01atlnga.netops.charter.com      40.505
    8   96.34.0.37  lag-806.bbr01blvlil.netops.charter.com      64.06
    9   96.34.0.14  lag-3.bbr01olvemo.netops.charter.com        63.732
    10  96.34.0.144 lag-1.bbr01dnvrco.netops.charter.com        86.512
    11  96.34.0.2   lag-2.bbr02snjsca.netops.charter.com        123.652
    12  96.34.0.74  lag-800.bbr01snjsca.netops.charter.com      109.288
    13  96.34.1.49  lag-819.bbr01sttlwa.netops.charter.com      139.505
    14  96.34.3.29  lag-801.prr01sttlwa.netops.charter.com      124.138
    15      *       *
    16  206.148.25.14   po300.sea-drtsea10-cr1.globalsecurelayer.com    7578    115.912
    17  206.148.25.116  e8.chi-eqxch1-bb1.globalsecurelayer.com 7578    115.848
    18  206.148.25.43   e53.nyc-eqxny2-bb1.globalsecurelayer.com    7578    109.918
    19  160.202.167.1       137409  110.219
    
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