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Want 10Gbps *dedicated* with 100TB bandwidth for 7950X

Hey guys, are there providers that offer this?

Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

Would appreciate any input :)

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  • webhorizonwebhorizon Member, Host Rep

    location?

  • @ayyub_webh said:
    location?

    NYC, Salt Lake City, London, Amsterdam, Tokyo, Lithuania, Moscow

  • BruhGamer12BruhGamer12 Member
    edited July 2024

    @fiberstate for sure look into.I don't think its dedicated but the speeds should be pretty great. Just look into them

  • For Europe look at @HostSlick and @terrahost

  • SmartHostSmartHost Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited July 2024

    @dave_ww said:
    Hey guys, are there providers that offer this?

    Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

    You contradict yourself.
    You either want, and will pay for, 10Gbps dedicated/unmetered
    OR
    You do not want 10Gbps dedicated/unmetered, and will not pay for it, yet will complain if you only get 4Gbps at times because of that.

    You can't have the best of both worlds, and can't expect to get what you are not, or will not, pay for.

    ~ SMARTHOST

  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    @BruhGamer12 said:
    For Europe look at @HostSlick and @terrahost

    Thanks for the mention!

  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    We are currently booked out on 10gbit Ports but we can offer after Summer in october again.

    But its as @SmartHost mentioned Here too. In your Case you Need to book 10gbit full Port/Unmetered which we Provide at 750€/m

  • layer7layer7 Member, Host Rep, LIR

    @dave_ww said:
    Hey guys, are there providers that offer this?

    Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

    Would appreciate any input :)

    Hi,

    in general we can provide this.

    But something that is quiet nonsense is the fact that you ask for 10G or 4G in combination with 100 TB.

    Either you need 10G or 4G, then you MUST need more than 100 TB OR you dont need 4G or 10G.

    100 TB traffic are around 300 Mbit/s average per month.

    As long as you dont plan to consume the 100 TB completely in the first week ( and then turn off your server ), you wont have a realistic scenario where you need 10G ... or even 4G....

    So from my humble point of view, this is not fitting.

    Are you sure these numbers are correct? Whats the usecase behind it?

  • MrRadicMrRadic Host Rep, Veteran

    @dave_ww said:
    Hey guys, are there providers that offer this?

    Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

    Would appreciate any input :)

    This is s money loser for providers.

    Thanked by 1HostSlick
  • AlbaHostAlbaHost Member, Patron Provider

    If Frankfurt, Germany would work for you, we can provide it either with 100TB or 250TB dedicated port. PM'ed you.

  • tempest.net

  • @BruhGamer12 said:
    For Europe look at @HostSlick and @terrahost

    @terrahost is no more, but @gigahost in Norway could be a good choice. B)

    And also @khnielsen on Leaseweb network in Amsterdam, definitely. They offer configurable 10G servers where you can prepay for traffic package that suits your usage pattern the best.

    Even Hetzner is a distant possibility, but yeah, they are really expensive when it comes to 10G speeds and traffic, and currently lagging behind the abovementioned in price/cost.

    @layer7 said: But something that is quiet nonsense is the fact that you ask for 10G or 4G in combination with 100 TB.
    Either you need 10G or 4G, then you MUST need more than 100 TB OR you dont need 4G or 10G.

    I beg to disagree! Think bursty traffic patterns, and all kinds of scenarios where you need fast transfers for short periods of time. It doesn't necessarily mean you will hammer the port 24/7, but when you need 10G speed, you really need it.

    By your own measure, VPS's in say Tokyo, Japan which usually come with only 1TB of traffic included, should not have interface speed above 10mbps, because that's already plenty and can transfer 3 times as much? Of course not, I'm sure people are enjoying their 10G interfaces even there. B)

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  • DataWagonDataWagon Member, Patron Provider

    A common issue is that we see is that customers don't understand what 10Gbps port means. 10Gbps port does not mean you are going to get 10Gbps speeds over a single connection, or in every scenario.

    I doubt most mid-large providers are actually 'sharing' your 10G port with a bunch of other machines. Most larger provider run at least 40G to their switches these days. It's more likely that you cant sustain 10Gbps or reach 10Gbps speeds due to latency, or because of the hops in-between, versus congestion on your provider's end. Whether you're paying your provider for 'unmetered' or '100TB' on 10G won't make a difference in this case.

    There is a good bash script out there somewhere that will start iperf3 tests on a list of 50+ public iperf3 servers in parallel. If you run this and your server is receiving a full 10Gbps, it means the port is not congested, at least inbound. We've had to demonstrate this to clients many times to prove to them that they do have an 'unshared' 10Gbps port, even though their wget from cdn123.xyz isn't downloading at 1200MB/s.

  • PureVoltagePureVoltage Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2024

    @MrRadic said:

    @dave_ww said:
    Hey guys, are there providers that offer this?

    Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

    Would appreciate any input :)

    This is s money loser for providers.

    This but it's not even just that, people have some weird idea that if the server sometimes can't push more than 4Gbps or dips below that it's because of a network problem. When in reality it's nothing to do with the server or network from the provider itself but an issue with the end point itself or their application.

    We have plenty of customers pushing 10G,40G, 100G 24/7 without any issues. However, it depends on their traffic types and services they are using as well plenty of capacity but it's all to do with the type of traffic any optimizing needed as well and if the other end is able to handle it.

    Thanked by 1DataWagon
  • @maverick said:
    And also @khnielsen on Leaseweb network in Amsterdam, definitely. They offer configurable 10G servers where you can prepay for traffic package that suits your usage pattern the best.

    Having tried Leaseweb Volume network servers from this very reseller, I can affirm that the network is terrible compared to the Premium network variant offered by other resellers of Leaseweb. @dave_ww some may gaslight you into believing there is no difference between the two network types but that is just not true.
    https://kb.leaseweb.com/kb/network/network-network-types/

    Also Leaseweb doesn't offer Ryzen CPUs and the reseller mentioned by @maverick mostly offers E-2274G with 10GE servers.

    @dave_ww I'd suggest looking into 95th percentile billing if you cannot find a metered option.

  • @Smith42 said:
    Having tried Leaseweb Volume network servers from this very reseller, I can affirm that the network is terrible compared to the Premium network variant offered by other resellers of Leaseweb. @dave_ww some may gaslight you into believing there is no difference between the two network types but that is just not true.
    https://kb.leaseweb.com/kb/network/network-network-types/

    What other resellers of Leaseweb?

  • @maverick said:
    What other resellers of Leaseweb?

    Moot point... Leaseweb has nothing remotely close to this https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=5031
    Your recommendation was either uninformed on your part or a shameless plug :smile:

  • @Smith42 said:

    @maverick said:
    What other resellers of Leaseweb?

    Moot point... Leaseweb has nothing remotely close to this https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=5031
    Your recommendation was either uninformed on your part or a shameless plug :smile:

    You're a bit weird, pushing some agenda or something... or got offended with something I wrote? What?

    First of all, nowhere in the OP any Ryzen was mentioned as required, so I don't understand why you're constantly pushing Ryzens? Maybe I missed some detail in the following posts, too lazy to go through all of it...

    Second of all, I'm really genuinely interested in alternative Leaseweb resellers which you mentioned. Is it really not possible that you provide that useful info?

    Finally, I'm currently not using HBD services, and gain absolutely nothing for recommending them. But, I was their customer for longer periods of time, and got good service and support at all times. So, if I know that their services are pretty good match for OP request, why not recommend them, is it forbidden?

    You seem jealous, please explain why and/or provide alternative.

  • sunnygsunnyg Member

    @maverick its literally in the header "for 7950x", which is the Ryzen 7950x.

    Thanked by 1maverick
  • @sunnyg said:
    @maverick its literally in the header "for 7950x", which is the Ryzen 7950x.

    Whoops, it seems I'm subject blind. :smiley:

    Yeah, haven't seen 7950x there, sorry.

  • jfreak53jfreak53 Member, Patron Provider

    @SmartHost said:

    @dave_ww said:
    Hey guys, are there providers that offer this?

    Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

    You contradict yourself.
    You either want, and will pay for, 10Gbps dedicated/unmetered
    OR
    You do not want 10Gbps dedicated/unmetered, and will not pay for it, yet will complain if you only get 4Gbps at times because of that.

    You can't have the best of both worlds, and can't expect to get what you are not, or will not, pay for.

    ~ SMARTHOST

    Thank you for saying it instead of me! When I say it I get chuckled at! :smirk:

    @dave_ww Providers that offer super cheap 10G ports rate limited to anything less than 300TB a month are giving you a "shared" 10G port, so yes, you will get lower than 10G speeds and expect it. You get what you pay for.

    If you want non-shared, full speed 10G, you have to pay for it! Which is why 10G unmetered is more expensive than $50 a month - you are literally getting your own port at 10G, no one monitors it, limits it, its full-throttle.

    Had 3 customers come to us this week asking for 10G but literally expect to pay $50 a month for it and to boot one of them wanted a coupon! I'd recommend buying something smaller, 2G or 3G. We offer both 2G bonded, 3G fiber, and 10G fiber, everything unmetered.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate
    edited July 2024

    I don't see a problem asking for dedicated 10Gbps port without unmetered traffic volume.
    This means the server can enjoy guaranteed 10Gbps speed whenever it needs, but it would be suspended as soon as 30TB/month is reached.
    An example application would be an Internet radio station that broadcasts 100MB of audio stream to 8000 listeners at 08:00~08:30 every day, and idle for the rest of the day.

  • PureVoltagePureVoltage Member, Patron Provider

    @yoursunny said:
    I don't see a problem asking for dedicated 10Gbps port without unmetered traffic volume.
    This means the server can enjoy guaranteed 10Gbps speed whenever it needs, but it would be suspended as soon as 30TB/month is reached

    This is essentially what we offer our customers. But default is 100TB and they can pay or agree for more bandwidth. The problem is people have this weird idea that because they can only sometimes get 4Gbps that it's a limit on our end when it's actually on the other end.

    Our TOR switches have 80-400Gbps+ which is more than plenty for most customers to be able to burst and use 10Gbps anytime they require it.

    iperf3 tests with proper tests will show you can use 10Gbps no problem.
    People have unrealistic ideas on what everything costs, there is a lot more into it than just the bandwidth costs, you have hundreds of thousands for networking equipment, staff costs, cross connects etc. :)

  • PetrCZEPetrCZE Member, Host Rep

    @dave_ww said: Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

    I think Datapacket could be a great choice for you because they offer open Nx10G ports per server and bill traffic according to real usage. Try contact sales.

  • @PureVoltage said: iperf3 tests with proper tests will show you can use 10Gbps no problem.

    Usually guys having a server for example in EU and expect to see 10 Gbit/s resulst in iperf3 tests to Japan for example. They do not even tune the command (by for example adding parallel flag)

  • PureVoltagePureVoltage Member, Patron Provider

    @CalmDown said:

    @PureVoltage said: iperf3 tests with proper tests will show you can use 10Gbps no problem.

    Usually guys having a server for example in EU and expect to see 10 Gbit/s resulst in iperf3 tests to Japan for example. They do not even tune the command (by for example adding parallel flag)

    Yup, we see this quite often. Most times people are silly and first try using speedtest and expect those to be legit. :(
    Not to say that there sometimes are not route issues etc but basic troubleshooting can typically sort out any actual issues.

  • Hello if you want i have server in NL Skylink datacenter with 10gbit/s or 20gbit/s

  • dave_wwdave_ww Member
    edited July 2024

    Is that a contradiction? Can’t you have a guaranteed 10Gbps connection but only permit a bandwidth of 100TB as a service provider?

    It may be that this isn’t commonly offered but doesn’t seem like a contradiction.

    @SmartHost said:

    @dave_ww said:
    Hey guys, are there providers that offer this?

    Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

    You contradict yourself.
    You either want, and will pay for, 10Gbps dedicated/unmetered
    OR
    You do not want 10Gbps dedicated/unmetered, and will not pay for it, yet will complain if you only get 4Gbps at times because of that.

    You can't have the best of both worlds, and can't expect to get what you are not, or will not, pay for.

    ~ SMARTHOST

  • RoyaleHostingRoyaleHosting Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2024

    @dave_ww said:
    Hey guys, are there providers that offer this?

    Seem to be stuck in some middle ground where unmetered 10Gbps is overkill and too expensive but non-dedicated 10Gbps dips below 4Gbps frequently on many data centers we've tried

    Would appreciate any input :)

    We include dedicated ports for all customers (excluding VPS services). This is made possible by the nature of our network, which is built around offering large capacity and application-level DDoS protection and requires substantial upstream and internal network capacity.

    However, please note that, as other providers have mentioned, connection bottlenecks can occur due to factors beyond our control. These may include limitations of the ISP on the receiving end, application-level performance issues, etc.

    This would be our offer:

    AMD Ryzen 7950X
    128GB DDR4 Memory
    2x 1TB NVMe SSD
    10Gbps dedicated port with 100TB of outgoing bandwidth usage included, inbound traffic is fully unmetered. (https://royalehosting.net/network)
    99,99% Uptime SLA (https://royalehosting.net/legal/service-level-agreement)
    Full firewall panel access
    2.5Tbps DDoS Protection (https://royalehosting.net/ddos-protection)

    For €400/month excluding TAX, feel free to contact us to order or ask any further questions which you might have.

  • SmartHostSmartHost Patron Provider, Veteran

    @dave_ww said:
    Is that a contradiction? Can’t you have a guaranteed 10Gbps connection but only permit a bandwidth of 100TB as a service provider?

    It may be that this isn’t commonly offered but doesn’t seem like a contradiction.

    That is not the issue.
    The issue is not willing to pay for dedicated 10Gbps, then complaining when can only get 4Gbps sometimes on a 10G shared circuit.

    ~ SMARTHOST

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