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How much is your electricity bill per kilowatt-hour?

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  • Toronto, Canada: I average around ~$0.14 CAD/kWH (before any delivery fees, etc.).


    TOU (Time-Of-Use) Rates
    Tier Time Range Cost (per kWh)
    Off-peak Weekdays from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. and all day weekends and holidays $0.087/kWh
    Mid-peak Weekdays from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. $0.122/kWh
    On-peak Weekdays from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. $0.182/kWh

    (source: https://www.torontohydro.com/for-home/rates)

    We have a bunch of nuke-e-lear locally, so prices never really fluctuate that much. I think they're planning to refurb a facility + bring even more nuclear online, so.... should be cheap for a while!

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @doghouch said: bring even more nuclear online, so.... should be cheap for a while!

    Nuclear is not cheap. It is cheaper than some fossil fuels, but not cheap in general.
    Even old nuclear capacities, built when the regulations were still allowing huge risks, are no longer competitive today. There is a reason France has higher prices than Spain (also why Poland has higher prices than even Germany) and the reason is that Spain has a lot of renewables in the mix. France is also cheaper than heavy fossil fuel users, like Poland and Germany, but that is mostly because it is still using old nuclear. The refurbishing of its nuclear plants has bankrupted Electricite de France.

    Once reliable and big capacity storage will come online, it will be the end of nuclear.

    Thanked by 2OhJohn doghouch
  • 0.2068€ per kWh. During peak hours, kWh costs €0.27

    France

  • Wow you get cheap electricity in the US.

    I think it's £0.25/$0.32/€0.29 per kwh

    Plus a daily fee of £0.60/$0.77/€0.70

    It was higher, prices have improved slightly

  • fiberstatefiberstate Member, Patron Provider

    @commercial said:
    0.2068€ per kWh. During peak hours, kWh costs €0.27

    France

    Oof

  • 1444 IDR, around $0.093 USD/kWh

  • $0.13 CAD
    Electricity is cheap, it's the "access" and "distribution" "fees" that kill us.

  • 1->50 kwh = 0.0101 USD
    51->100 = 0.0122 USD

  • $0.43 per kwh

  • dhmodhmo Member
    edited June 2024

    @Desite said:
    In my area, it is 0.12 USD/kWh

    I am in Japan
    avg 35 JPY (= $0.22 USD) / KWH

    For example:
    Coca-cola (500ml) is like 180 JPY.
    Umai-Stick (Umaibou(yummy snack)) is 10 ~ 12 JPY.
    McDonald's Cheese Burger is 200 JPY
    Earning is minimum 1000 JPY (= $6.5 USD) /Hour (Excluded Taxs.)

  • @Maounique said:

    @doghouch said: bring even more nuclear online, so.... should be cheap for a while!

    Nuclear is not cheap. It is cheaper than some fossil fuels, but not cheap in general.
    Even old nuclear capacities, built when the regulations were still allowing huge risks, are no longer competitive today. There is a reason France has higher prices than Spain (also why Poland has higher prices than even Germany) and the reason is that Spain has a lot of renewables in the mix. France is also cheaper than heavy fossil fuel users, like Poland and Germany, but that is mostly because it is still using old nuclear. The refurbishing of its nuclear plants has bankrupted Electricite de France.

    Once reliable and big capacity storage will come online, it will be the end of nuclear.

    are you the press spokesman for the EU(dSSR)?

    Thanked by 2siemens commercial
  • skorupionskorupion Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2024

    $0.23 per kWh. That is after the distribution fees and the taxes on ~1.5 MWh

  • dosaidosai Member

    100 units free

  • $0.16

  • FlorinMarianFlorinMarian Member, Host Rep

    Either I didn't understand the question, or others did.
    The price per KWh in some cases seems ridiculously low and probably their interpretation does not include "the final price per KWh after transport, distribution taxes, green certificates (at least in Europe) and others if any".
    So I could have flexed with the offer of 0.056 EUR/KWh, but when I divide the price by the amount of KWh invoiced, the result is 0.17EUR/KWh.

    Thanked by 1Maounique
  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    0,26€/kwh. Germany. Small Village in Bavaria.

  • @Desite said:
    In my area, it is 0.12 USD/kWh

    0,096€/kWh

  • iOVZiOVZ Member, Host Rep

    0.077usd/kwh china

  • KodisKodis Member

    0,22€/kwh in Lithuania

  • @Maounique said:
    Nuclear is not cheap.
    The refurbishing of its nuclear plants has bankrupted Electricite de France.

    Very amusing ... and totally untrue.
    But it's the classic line of the Greens, who have excluded nuclear power from the list of non-polluting energies in Europe. But this is not the place for a political debate ...

    Thanked by 1hyperblast
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited June 2024

    @commercial said: the list of non-polluting energies

    There is no non-polluting energy. Everything pollutes, even solar, but we are talking about financial/monetary costs here, without the environmental costs, and that is not a political, but economic discussion.

  • doghouchdoghouch Member
    edited June 2024

    @Maounique said:

    @doghouch said: bring even more nuclear online, so.... should be cheap for a while!

    Nuclear is not cheap. It is cheaper than some fossil fuels, but not cheap in general.
    Even old nuclear capacities, built when the regulations were still allowing huge risks, are no longer competitive today. There is a reason France has higher prices than Spain (also why Poland has higher prices than even Germany) and the reason is that Spain has a lot of renewables in the mix. France is also cheaper than heavy fossil fuel users, like Poland and Germany, but that is mostly because it is still using old nuclear. The refurbishing of its nuclear plants has bankrupted Electricite de France.

    Once reliable and big capacity storage will come online, it will be the end of nuclear.

    I was making a large generalization there, so I apologize.

    I do agree that constructing nuclear facilities is a very expensive endeavour. Even more so for our generation of CANDU (heavy water) reactors. Refurbishment of a nearby facility was projected to cost 13 billion schrutebucks (CAD).

    In terms of renewables, I largely agree with what you said. Obviously, solar won’t work everywhere (turns out wind energy is 60% cheaper here vs. solar because of low solar intensity), and I do believe that more renewables should be the end goal.

    I don’t see grid-scale energy storage maturing before my local facility is refurbished (2025-2030s). In my lifetime? I sure hope to see more renewables. Wind seems promising, but until that time comes, nuclear is stable, and IMO has served its purpose (zero coal).

  • @Maounique said:
    we are talking about financial/monetary costs here, without the environmental costs, and that is not a political, but economic discussion.

    LCOE is a joke, check the associated Wikipedia article, and take a look to LFSCOE, the only realistic kpi. Indeed, we are discussing about local price for end users, without worrying about the technology. Using truncated informations will bias the discussion

    Thanked by 1hyperblast
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited June 2024

    @doghouch said: I don’t see grid-scale energy storage maturing before my local facility is refurbished (2025-2030s)

    That is not about refurbishment or not, it is about exploiting an already existing capacity within the lifetime of the project, which is still more expensive than renewables.

    While nuclear is seriously more expensive than renewables and some fossil alternatives, it is still being built/refurbished and even improved technologically and financially (SMRs are actually an answer to the financial challenges of setting up Nuclear facilities as well as the grid constraints, like in Romania, just drop in a replacement for the old coal plants and everything is in place regarding the grid).
    The reason for which, if we are to take the projected costs, not the actual ones (as the nuclear plants got over budget as high as 300%) the nuclear generation is still considered economically viable is the intermittence of the renewables, Hydro CAN be used to plug the peak gaps, but it is not enough, still, in that case, Combined Cycle gas on stand-by is much more economical and nimble, because starting and stopping nuclear reactors is a long and costly process.

    So, while we don't have the necessary storage at hand, the solution is not nuclear, but stand-by CCGT plants which are much cheaper to build and operate, many are already in place anyway, the transition will switch them from permanent producers to on-demand producers.

    While the renewables are taking more load off the grid when they are working the CCGT plants will be off, but when the renewables will have some downtime and/or there will be a peak demand, then the CCGT would be able to kick-in pretty fast. As more storage is added at a decreased cost and higher full cycle efficiency, then we can start decommissioning the old CCGT plants and this will solve the problem in the cheapest and most efficient way.

  • @HostSlick said:
    0,26€/kwh. Germany. Small Village in Bavaria.

    local provider? (kreiswerke?)

  • HostSlickHostSlick 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended
    edited June 2024

    @hyperblast said:

    @HostSlick said:
    0,26€/kwh. Germany. Small Village in Bavaria.

    local provider? (kreiswerke?)

    Yello-Strom.
    12 months Contract was renewed end march 2024 with this price before it was arround 0,40€/kwh.

    Called Hotline to See if There was better offer for renewal. First Guy offered 0,24€ but hang up Phone probably when He realized he is Talking Shit. Next Agent offered this price 0,26€ and worked all Out. Email sent. Contract renewed.

  • doghouchdoghouch Member
    edited June 2024

    @Maounique said:

    @doghouch said: I don’t see grid-scale energy storage maturing before my local facility is refurbished (2025-2030s)

    That is not about refurbishment or not, it is about exploiting an already existing capacity within the lifetime of the project, which is still more expensive than renewables.

    I debated adding costs/type of generation in my other post, but I think it's clear that renewables are already cheaper than nuclear (averaged over the plant's total useful lifetime).

    While nuclear is seriously more expensive than renewables and some fossil alternatives, it is still being built/refurbished and even improved technologically and financially (SMRs are actually an answer to the financial challenges of setting up Nuclear facilities as well as the grid constraints, like in Romania, just drop in a replacement for the old coal plants and everything is in place regarding the grid).

    I hear that we're building them, but not too sure about the financials (SMRs). They seem quite expensive for the output they provide.

    The reason for which, if we are to take the projected costs, not the actual ones (as the nuclear plants got over budget as high as 300%) the nuclear generation is still considered economically viable is the intermittence of the renewables, Hydro CAN be used to plug the peak gaps, but it is not enough, still, in that case, Combined Cycle gas on stand-by is much more economical and nimble, because starting and stopping nuclear reactors is a long and costly process.

    For sure - gas facilities here ramp up basically instantly to supplement nuclear when that isn't available.

    So, while we don't have the necessary storage at hand, the solution is not nuclear, but stand-by CCGT plants which are much cheaper to build and operate, many are already in place anyway, the transition will switch them from permanent producers to on-demand producers.
    While the renewables are taking more load off the grid when they are working the CCGT plants will be off, but when the renewables will have some downtime and/or there will be a peak demand, then the CCGT would be able to kick-in pretty fast. As more storage is added at a decreased cost and higher full cycle efficiency, then we can start decommissioning the old CCGT plants and this will solve the problem in the cheapest and most efficient way.

    Seems a tad optimistic, at least where I live.

    The last government that tried to build CCGTs folded under local and political pressure.

    The public really doesn't seem keen on the idea of more gas generation (after we burned nearly $1B to cancel the last project), so I'm not too sure about what we could use to transition in the meantime.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @doghouch said: so I'm not too sure about what we could use to transition in the meantime.

    New capacity is not always needed. The old one can switch to stand-by while the renewables are at peak including coal, hydro and whatever else, even though coal is a tad harder and slower to start-stop.
    As many EU countries have proven, when Putler cut the gas, that is not only possible, but also possible long term, for as long as the renewables are added at a good enough pace.
    For example the Nordic countries (where the sun doesn't shine consistently) had little problems when Putler cut the gas, even Poland switched to coal more than usual and managed, Germany didn't, they are still building more gas generators because are slow in increasing the renewables which is reflected in power price there, but, overall, the existing fossil fuel and nuclear capacity, even though the gas was idled a lot, was more than enough to pass the crisis in 2022, in spite of a drought that affected the central EU rather severely.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    I am always envious of the 4 cents (USD) per kwh in some parts of Texas.

  • doghouchdoghouch Member
    edited June 2024

    @Maounique said:

    @doghouch said: so I'm not too sure about what we could use to transition in the meantime.

    New capacity is not always needed. The old one can switch to stand-by while the renewables are at peak including coal, hydro and whatever else, even though coal is a tad harder and slower to start-stop.
    As many EU countries have proven, when Putler cut the gas, that is not only possible, but also possible long term, for as long as the renewables are added at a good enough pace.
    For example the Nordic countries (where the sun doesn't shine consistently) had little problems when Putler cut the gas, even Poland switched to coal more than usual and managed, Germany didn't, they are still building more gas generators because are slow in increasing the renewables which is reflected in power price there, but, overall, the existing fossil fuel and nuclear capacity, even though the gas was idled a lot, was more than enough to pass the crisis in 2022, in spite of a drought that affected the central EU rather severely.

    Sure, but we have no coal facilities left and the one of the largest nuclear facilities in the province (>=2 GW) will be shutting down later next year. We can use our existing gas facilities to hold us over for quite a long time, but the province seems to be actively sabotaging renewable projects (all because “they’re an eyesore” or some variation of that).

    We got lucky: a partially complete wind farm almost got cancelled at a cost of a quarter of a billion bucks (struck down by the Supreme Court) because of a d*ck measuring contest between our premier and other “like minded” provinces.

    Edit: To add, we only have about 27,000 MW out of our ~40,000 MW capacity available at the moment. After the nuclear facility shuts down (a loss of 2 GW), it’ll be pretty close to what the province currently uses (~15,000-20,000 MW at any given time). I do see that we have a ~230 MW storage facility scheduled to come online next year, though (some good news).

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