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There are people running the exact same node that I'm running with netcup and they say their steal is 0 and they have a lot of netcup root servers. Some have 100 and I'm sure there are many more running it seeing as how they are out of stock now. So no it wouldn't make a difference. Anyways it's not like the steal on avoro was negligible. It was always bouncing from 70-95.
I already stated in this thread that I used netcup root servers with 4 cores a couple months ago and the requirement to get rewards was 4 dedicated cores and I did in fact get the rewards so no the steal is not faked. If it was shared my node would have been disqualified.
YABS?
You can't determine from inside a VPS if the steal is faked, only if steal time reporting is enabled at all.
Again, knowledge gap. Learn how to listen. Guys on the forum here asked for more info. You have not submitted it. You. Have. No. Tech. Knowledge.
Well, there pretty much has to be at least some kind of spectrum as a quad C64 will likely not get rewarded while some a little less shitty setup maybe will. "4 core" isn't really a fixed metric.
Did you ignore what I said? Any node not running at a bare minimum 4 dedicated cores would be disqualified.
Relax dataforest shill. I already explained that the bare minimum to receive rewards for this was 4 dedicated cores. When I used a netcup root server a couple months ago it got full rewards. If you used a VPS with 4 vcores, it would be disqualified. And no one in this thread asked for any more info. It's just people agreeing with me and a couple dataforest shills/employees like you.
If someone used a shared 4 core it wouldn't receive rewards. Anyways the main point for this thread is the very high steal on these when it is suppose to be dedicated. If you can't provide dedicated resources, don't advertise it. But of course they won't label it properly because they do it to get more sales and know most people won't actually use the CPU fully.
dedicated means dedicated. it should not be shared anyway or any FUP applied. i am using avoro VDS for few months. i never expected to hear such things. I hope @dataforest will re-consider marketing strategy with more clear terms and words.
Proofs of your words? You seem also a blind person. Such types of customers are worse than nightmares.
You're just another random kiddo, in my thoughts, just using a satisfaction guarantee on Netcup.
Take care of your eggs, seems you're brave over the let only
And @online7237: netcup's cores are only dedicated when needed:
Translated:
(https://forum.netcup.de/administration-eines-server-vserver/vserver-server-kvm-server/p78405-steal-bei-dedizierte-kerne/)
What are you even saying? Proofs of what words? Random kiddo? I don't even know what the satisfaction guarantee is for netcup. All I want is what I pay for. I don't care about anything else. If you can't provide that, don't advertise it.
Do you think my quad VIA Eden would get me some rEwarDz? It's 100% dedicated to me.
Well, as you might have noticed i'm pretty much in the same boat as you are on this but i gain nothing from repeating it more than necessary. If it makes you happy, i also think that Netcup is likely able to absorb more sudden load due to sheer size and it seems plausible that you are getting better performance but that still doesn't prove the steal to be exactly zero.
That post is from 8 years ago and he even says that if the steal is over 3% to contact them and that it isn't normal. In his other post he says:
Hallo SCD,
streng genommen muss die Stealtime bei 0% liegen. Je nach garantierter Mindestverfügbarkeit kann es hier aber kurzzeitige Abweichungen geben. Das geht auch nicht anders, bei der genutzten Virtualisierungstechnik. Wenn Sie also merkbare Einschränkungen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an unseren Support.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Felix Preuß
Translated:
Strictly speaking, the steal time must be 0%. Depending on the guaranteed minimum availability, however, there may be short-term deviations. This is also the case with the virtualization technology used. So if you have noticeable restrictions, please contact our support.
So he agrees. On dedicated cores, the steal time must be 0%.
You are jerking on Netcup rn. To compare, you should have the same conditions. Order the same amount of root servers, then check out the steal. If it is 0, then 2 options, they're faking it, and second, that's indeed dedicated. Otherwise, open a second thread regarding Netcup, that they're false advertising.
How are you able to compare 2 providers, where with one you had 200 root servers, with another only 1. Seems not a logit comparison at all.
Or maybe the business model of providers like avoro is not built on mining shitcoins.
It just happens netcup has larger pool to absorb demand, but I really hope they will ban all of you sooner or later.
I don't work for any of these companies. I just used their product and it is as advertised. I know people personally with 100 netcup root servers and steal is 0. I would buy more but they're out of stock because everyone is buying them up. If it's shared, it's not dedicated. I don't care if netcup or hetzner or whoever else it is does the same thing. It's misleading, and they already admitted that they do it because they don't think clients will actually use the resources fully. That's called false advertising.
Providers don't care what you do. And like I said so many times, I'm not mining. If avoro cannot provide the dedicated resources like netcup can, do you think it was honest of them to give me the servers anyways and just hope I don't use them fully? No of course not that's false advertising. Also, the avoro terms and conditions don't prohibit what I was doing.
They do.
How you call it makes no difference on what you actually do.
The same thing does netcup, as me and many others explained this is a common practice for regular production workload. I do heavy usage of such machines for research purposes and I never had any issue like ever except once, that it was sorted out.
False advertising is a strong word and certainly oversimplification for your use case, which is mining. Whoever says otherwise, is probably here just for the fuss. The fact that they do not prohibit it is why they tried to work out for a solution, but you were too quick to open dispute.
And @online7237: netcup's cores are only dedicated when needed:
Translated:
(https://forum.netcup.de/administration-eines-server-vserver/vserver-server-kvm-server/p78405-steal-bei-dedizierte-kerne/)> @online7237 said:
Further up:
Translation:
What exactly were you doing?
They admitted themselves that the dedicated cores aren't truly dedicated but shared, so what you're about to anyway?
His use case here is completely irrelevant unless it involves something illegal, a breach of company TOS, etc. If you plan to use that as a strawman, you can, but it's still completely irrelevant to the case.
it probably is illegal since he said that providers don't care about whats going on. it ain't illegal till you get caught am I right?
Probably he is aiming for $0.50 reward/day and that would be about $15 per month
So net income per month = $15 - $10 = $5
With 200 VDS that becomes $1000
@online7237
Feel free to make the necessary corrections.
Avoro just have just modified the kernel to avoid this shitstorm😩
I already said it in this thread but you obviously have difficulty with reading.
When I say that, it means providers don't care as long as it isn't illegal. Of course illegal acts will get shut down right away. If it was illegal, do you think avoro would let me keep using the servers?
You don't know what you're talking about. No one is mining bitcoin here. Please just refrain from replying. The topic isn't about what profit I'm making using the servers. That has nothing to do with this thread.
You are quoting something from 8 years ago. And the guy clearly says that it must be 0 and to contact them if it isn't. Of course he will say it must be 0. They advertise DEDICATED cores just like avoro does. I'm running one right now as are many other people and the steal is 0.
Thanks for your feedback.
Did I mention mining in my post?
No. He says that the steal must be < 3%.
We have a millionaire here!
How the hell could I know? I don't speculate it to use it as off-topic strawman argument to counter clients' complaints.
If the host in question has something to say about his clients' usage, he's free to say it, but as far as I've seen, that isn't really the issue here.