Avoid Avoro.eu, php-friends, and dataforest oversold root servers and fraudsters

danninov · May 2024

@wdmg said:
Using the word "Dedicated" is a really bad marketing tactic. The only truly dedicated thing is physical servers. That said, if you're going to order hundreds of VMs, talk to the host prior. "Unlimited" stock isn't unlimited.

CMIIW, but technically you can really dedicate CPU core to certain VM (also said by some user here earlier) using CPU pinning. Also you can pin certain CPU core for only used by host, so the host wouldn't compete with guest VM for the same CPU core. And if you want to further minimizing host from using CPU, you can using certain co-processor/DPU to offload some task that usually using CPU like virtual network, virtual storage etc.

wdmg · May 2024

@danninov said:

@wdmg said:
Using the word "Dedicated" is a really bad marketing tactic. The only truly dedicated thing is physical servers. That said, if you're going to order hundreds of VMs, talk to the host prior. "Unlimited" stock isn't unlimited.

CMIIW, but technically you can really dedicate CPU core to certain VM (also said by some user here earlier) using CPU pinning. Also you can pin certain CPU core for only used by host, so the host wouldn't compete with guest VM for the same CPU core. And if you want to further minimizing host from using CPU, you can using certain co-processor/DPU to offload some task that usually using CPU like virtual network, virtual storage etc.

The answer is yes, but it depends. It's not as simple as a quick hack like:

  <vcpu placement='static'>2</vcpu>
  <cputune>
    <vcpupin vcpu='0' cpuset='0'/>
    <vcpupin vcpu='1' cpuset='1'/>
  </cputune>

There's other factors to consider like NUMA topology, etc. into the mix... you'll find more often than not unless your workload is 100% predictable all the time, pinning CPU cores on guests is a terrible idea and waste of time.

totally_not_banned · May 2024

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

HostSlick · May 2024

@sillycat said: Common Maxy W.

What does W. mean?

dev_vps · May 2024

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

Business is making a bet that 90%+ customers won’t make any noise.

And they can “handle” any customer who is looking to use dedicated resources as marketed.

DP · May 2024

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Same.

My screen + irssi would appreciate these dedicated cores

dev_vps · May 2024

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

Business is making a bet that 90%+ customers won’t make any noise.

And they can “handle” any customer who is looking to use dedicated resources as marketed.

I won’t be surprised if business has a dedicated low load host node for such noise making customers and wanted to use resource as marketed.

totally_not_banned · May 2024

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

Business is making a bet that 90%+ customers won’t make any noise.

And they can “handle” any customer who is looking to use dedicated resources as marketed.

I won’t be surprised if business has a dedicated low load host node for such noise making customers and wanted to use resource as marketed.

Yeah, it's hostname is probably "pesthive" or "badmargin". Well, at least that's what i would name it

dev_vps · May 2024

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

Business is making a bet that 90%+ customers won’t make any noise.

And they can “handle” any customer who is looking to use dedicated resources as marketed.

I won’t be surprised if business has a dedicated low load host node for such noise making customers and wanted to use resource as marketed.

Yeah, it's hostname is probably "pesthive" or "badmargin". Well, at least that's what i would name it

well, could be even zeromargin as 90%+ customers are giving them profits and noise making customers are giving excellent reviews — how well dedicated resources are working

The overall “impression” is important for any business.

dev_vps · May 2024

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

Business is making a bet that 90%+ customers won’t make any noise.

And they can “handle” any customer who is looking to use dedicated resources as marketed.

I won’t be surprised if business has a dedicated low load host node for such noise making customers and wanted to use resource as marketed.

Yeah, it's hostname is probably "pesthive" or "badmargin". Well, at least that's what i would name it

Reminds me of unlimited pancakes at IHOP for $6, as most customers won’t go beyond the first stack.

FatGrizzly · May 2024

@HostSlick said:

@sillycat said: Common Maxy W.

What does W. mean?

Common Maxy Win.

online7237 · May 2024

So here is a little update. I told avoro or dataforest to refund me everything except for €300 and they want me to close the paypal cases and then they said they will refund. I told them to contact paypal to refund everything except for €300 but they refused.

I said refund all of it and I will send you €300, and they said they don't trust me. So clearly these guys don't want to refund any of them.

dev_vps · May 2024

@sillycat said:

@online7237 said: For my use it was better to have many smaller servers than a bunch of more powerful servers.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious what you're doing now. You are most likely just trying to control 50%+1 of the nodes on a random shitcoin blockchain so you can sign your own transactions.
Nothing else makes sense, especially considering the specific amount of nodes, the weird CPU requirement, and the weird KYC thing.

Makes perfect sense.

@online7237
would you like to comment on this?

online7237 · May 2024

@dev_vps said:

@sillycat said:

@online7237 said: For my use it was better to have many smaller servers than a bunch of more powerful servers.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious what you're doing now. You are most likely just trying to control 50%+1 of the nodes on a random shitcoin blockchain so you can sign your own transactions.
Nothing else makes sense, especially considering the specific amount of nodes, the weird CPU requirement, and the weird KYC thing.

Makes perfect sense.

@online7237
would you like to comment on this?

What's your problem? Do you work for avoro or dataforest? I'm not trying to 51% attack anything. I was just running a node to get rewards. The minimum was set by the developer for the test phase and there was tens of thousands of nodes running. I don't even think you can 51% this since it isn't even a blockchain and I wasn't mining.

dev_vps · May 2024

@online7237 said:

@dev_vps said:

@sillycat said:

@online7237 said: For my use it was better to have many smaller servers than a bunch of more powerful servers.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious what you're doing now. You are most likely just trying to control 50%+1 of the nodes on a random shitcoin blockchain so you can sign your own transactions.
Nothing else makes sense, especially considering the specific amount of nodes, the weird CPU requirement, and the weird KYC thing.

Makes perfect sense.

@online7237
would you like to comment on this?

I was just running a node to get rewards.
The minimum was set by the developer for the test phase and there was tens of thousands of nodes running.

Please share more details.

totally_not_banned · May 2024

.> @dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

Business is making a bet that 90%+ customers won’t make any noise.

And they can “handle” any customer who is looking to use dedicated resources as marketed.

I won’t be surprised if business has a dedicated low load host node for such noise making customers and wanted to use resource as marketed.

Yeah, it's hostname is probably "pesthive" or "badmargin". Well, at least that's what i would name it

Reminds me of unlimited pancakes at IHOP for $6, as most customers won’t go beyond the first stack.

Yeah, it's like this with a lot of things. No all-you-can eat would see it's first anniversary if more than a small fraction of customers actually eats more than a couple plates. Or money back guarantees: Sounds generous on paper but practically hardly anyone makes use of them because it's a hassle and the companies offering them know it.

dataforest · May 2024

@online7237 said:
So here is a little update. I told avoro or dataforest to refund me everything except for €300 and they want me to close the paypal cases and then they said they will refund. I told them to contact paypal to refund everything except for €300 but they refused.

I said refund all of it and I will send you €300, and they said they don't trust me. So clearly these guys don't want to refund any of them.

Sure, that's why we agreed to it. You could have the money back for hours, we have no way to refund only a part (as you suggested), but you seem to prefer to interpret that we don't want to refund that.

As I've already told you via PN, you can get in touch if you change your mind, we're staying out of the discussion here, we've said everything we wanted to say.

By the way: neither Hetzner nor netcup allow what you are doing, I am looking forward to your next thread.

totally_not_banned · May 2024

@dataforest Without accusing you of anything, asking to close Paypal disputes on the premise of refunding later on is a standard trap move. No sane person will do that since if they do it and the other party doesn't come through they can't reopen the claims anymore (at least not without random goodwill on the side of Paypal). Maybe you guys can agree on some kind of escrow.

dev_vps · May 2024

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

Business is making a bet that 90%+ customers won’t make any noise.

And they can “handle” any customer who is looking to use dedicated resources as marketed.

I won’t be surprised if business has a dedicated low load host node for such noise making customers and wanted to use resource as marketed.

Yeah, it's hostname is probably "pesthive" or "badmargin". Well, at least that's what i would name it

Reminds me of unlimited pancakes at IHOP for $6, as most customers won’t go beyond the first stack.

Yeah, it's like this with a lot of things. No all-you-can eat would see it's first anniversary if more than a small fraction of customers actually eats more than a couple plates. Or money back guarantees: Sounds generous on paper but practically hardly anyone makes use of them because it's a hassle and the companies offering them know it.

When Hyundai introduced 1 year return your car in case of job loss promotion, only 19 customers availed that promotion from entire US.

It is considered as one of best marketing promotion.

totally_not_banned · May 2024

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:
.> @dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@dev_vps said:

@totally_not_banned said:

@SashkaPro said:

@amarc said:
This thread makes me wanna buy something from Avoro

Yeah, I think that today is best time for unbeatable promo from @dataforest

I fear you don't need to hold your breath as they seem to be pretty miffed about people disagreeing with shared being the same as dedicated.

as per @dataforest
these cpu cores are dedicated for your use whenever you feel like
vs
general impression cpu cores 100% dedicated to the VDS

Yeah, pretty much. Funny thing though at least Php-Friends directly claims the simple version: "Die Ressourcen Ihres vServers sind diesem fest zugewiesen und können jederzeit vollständig abgerufen werden. Beeinträchtigungen durch Nachbarserver gehören der Vergangenheit an!" which translates to "The resources are statically allocated to your vServer and can be used to their full extend at any time. Impairments due to neighboring servers are history!" while Avoro just claims that "Gebuchte Ressourcen werden garantiert", which translates to "Booked resources are guaranteed" and is a little more ambiguous.

Booked resources are guaranteed

That would be good enough to cover them legally. Since cpu cores can be used whenever needed. And if any customer makes extra noise move that VDS to the quieter host node.

— not a legal advice. Just sharing my opinion

Actually i'd be curious (in a scientific sense) to see how that would play out. Like i've said earlier around here the scale for such cases is practically always the question of "What expectation does this instill in the average customer?" or in this case "What would an average customer think he 'books'?". Is it mere access to a core (meaning using some unspecified amount of it) or is it one full core (meaning 100% of it at any given point in time). In any case it's certainly quite vague as to what the client is actually booking.

Business is making a bet that 90%+ customers won’t make any noise.

And they can “handle” any customer who is looking to use dedicated resources as marketed.

I won’t be surprised if business has a dedicated low load host node for such noise making customers and wanted to use resource as marketed.

Yeah, it's hostname is probably "pesthive" or "badmargin". Well, at least that's what i would name it

Reminds me of unlimited pancakes at IHOP for $6, as most customers won’t go beyond the first stack.

Yeah, it's like this with a lot of things. No all-you-can eat would see it's first anniversary if more than a small fraction of customers actually eats more than a couple plates. Or money back guarantees: Sounds generous on paper but practically hardly anyone makes use of them because it's a hassle and the companies offering them know it.

When Hyundai introduced 1 year return your car in case of job loss promotion, only 19 customers availed that promotion from entire US.

It is considered as one of best marketing promotion.

Haha, i knew this stuff worked well but who would have thought that it works this well? Mind blown!

dataforest · May 2024

Just think about it - what kind of shitstorm do you think it would be if we didn't stick to it? Furthermore, I don't think he's holding up his end of the deal. Along with the fake data and the freshly created account here - sorry, but we simply lack trust in the OP.

I'm also very sure that the paypal case can then be reopened, but I can't say that with 100% certainty as I've only opened two paypal cases myself in the last few years.

Altes · May 2024

@dataforest said:
Just think about it - what kind of shitstorm do you think it would be if we didn't stick to it? Furthermore, I don't think he's holding up his end of the deal. Along with the fake data and the freshly created account here - sorry, but we simply lack trust in the OP.

I'm also very sure that the paypal case can then be reopened, but I can't say that with 100% certainty as I've only opened two paypal cases myself in the last few years.

But, you're willing to keep his "fake data" money... terminate, refund, move on...

online7237 · May 2024

@dataforest said:
Just think about it - what kind of shitstorm do you think it would be if we didn't stick to it? Furthermore, I don't think he's holding up his end of the deal. Along with the fake data and the freshly created account here - sorry, but we simply lack trust in the OP.

I'm also very sure that the paypal case can then be reopened, but I can't say that with 100% certainty as I've only opened two paypal cases myself in the last few years.

Are you joking? My offer was generous because I just want to end this and I might still get some rewards for the servers I used for a few days since the CPU usage was low for those few initial days. There is no fake data. Not sure what you're on about. Also Paypal cases cannot be reopened. You admitted to false advertising but you say you don't trust me. By the way, even if Paypal doesn't rule in my favor which I'm sure they will because I have proof you admitted about lying about the servers, I will just call my credit card company and make a dispute with them as well.

totally_not_banned · May 2024

@dataforest said:
Just think about it - what kind of shitstorm do you think it would be if we didn't stick to it? Furthermore, I don't think he's holding up his end of the deal. Along with the fake data and the freshly created account here - sorry, but we simply lack trust in the OP.

Yeah, it wouldn't be very smart but OP probably trusts you as much as you trust them. I'm not saying that this is justified or anything. It's just sadly quite usual in these kind of situations.

I'm also very sure that the paypal case can then be reopened, but I can't say that with 100% certainty as I've only opened two paypal cases myself in the last few years.

Hmm, if it's possible (outside of begging Paypal's support and praying) it must be something new. Not closing claims is something that's saved in my mental anti-scam folder but then i've never opened a dispute so it might be as well an urban legend. Maybe someone can chime in on this?

kenjing789 · May 2024

@totally_not_banned said:

@dataforest said:
Just think about it - what kind of shitstorm do you think it would be if we didn't stick to it? Furthermore, I don't think he's holding up his end of the deal. Along with the fake data and the freshly created account here - sorry, but we simply lack trust in the OP.

Yeah, it wouldn't be very smart but OP probably trusts you as much as you trust them. I'm not saying that this is justified or anything. It's just sadly quite usual in these kind of situations.

I'm also very sure that the paypal case can then be reopened, but I can't say that with 100% certainty as I've only opened two paypal cases myself in the last few years.

Hmm, if it's possible (outside of begging Paypal's support and praying) it must be something new. Not closing claims is something that's saved in my mental anti-scam folder but then i've never opened a dispute so it might be as well an urban legend. Maybe someone can chime in on this?

You can reopen dispute around 10 days after it close.
But most of time reopen dispute dont lead Paypal siding with you unless you have more information

online7237 · May 2024

I just got a netcup root server today. Here are the specs and a screenshot of the steal. This is what it's suppose to be.

AMD EPYC™ 9634
8 GB DDR5 RAM (ECC)
4 dedicated cores
256 GB NVMe SSD

CalmDown · May 2024

@online7237 said:
I just got a netcup root server today. Here are the specs and a screenshot of the steal. This is what it's suppose to be.

AMD EPYC™ 9634
8 GB DDR5 RAM (ECC)
4 dedicated cores
256 GB NVMe SSD

Buy 200 servers more, where 100 of them will be allocated on one node - you will get the steal .

To argue or even to understand the basis, you should have a little bit of knowledge.

Even with netcup, you will have a steal.

lukast__ · May 2024

@online7237 said:
I just got a netcup root server today. Here are the specs and a screenshot of the steal. This is what it's suppose to be.

AMD EPYC™ 9634
8 GB DDR5 RAM (ECC)
4 dedicated cores
256 GB NVMe SSD

If you would have rented only one Avoro server it'd have been the same.

online7237 · May 2024

@CalmDown said:

@online7237 said:
I just got a netcup root server today. Here are the specs and a screenshot of the steal. This is what it's suppose to be.

AMD EPYC™ 9634
8 GB DDR5 RAM (ECC)
4 dedicated cores
256 GB NVMe SSD

Buy 200 servers more, where 100 of them will be allocated on one node - you will get the steal .

To argue or even to understand the basis, you should have a little bit of knowledge.

Even with netcup, you will have a steal.

You do realize netcup has significantly more customers than avoro right? They probably have thousands of these root servers running right now. They are actually out of stock right now likely because people bought them all up to run the same node I'm running and yet the steal is still 0. Compared to avoro which had up to 95 steal.

lukast__ · May 2024

@online7237 said:

@CalmDown said:

@online7237 said:
I just got a netcup root server today. Here are the specs and a screenshot of the steal. This is what it's suppose to be.

AMD EPYC™ 9634
8 GB DDR5 RAM (ECC)
4 dedicated cores
256 GB NVMe SSD

Buy 200 servers more, where 100 of them will be allocated on one node - you will get the steal .

To argue or even to understand the basis, you should have a little bit of knowledge.

Even with netcup, you will have a steal.

You do realize netcup has significantly more customers than avoro right? They probably have thousands of these root servers running right now. They are actually out of stock right now likely because people bought them all up to run the same node I'm running and yet the steal is still 0. Compared to avoro which had up to 95 steal.

And just FYI, if the steal is always 0, the hypervisor could also be faking it/not reporting it at all.

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