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There was 5 orders payments. These are the amounts:
dataforest GmbH
−€1,265.46 EUR
May 20 . Payment
dataforest GmbH
−€1,613.92 EUR
May 20 . Payment
dataforest GmbH
−€15.00 EUR
May 19 . Payment
dataforest GmbH
−€1,247.12 EUR
May 19 . Payment
dataforest GmbH
−€27.51 EUR
May 19 . Payment
Only the €1,265.46 was refunded. The other 4 have not been refunded. Not refunding all of these is fraud.
The steal was never fixed, and I already did not receive what was advertised. The steal should have been 0 when I ordered them, not lie and say it's dedicated when its not. I needed them to work when I ordered them a week ago. Also, I have not received any other paypal refund. You can go into the case and choose to refund and close it.
It's suppose to be dedicated. Not, we'll give you 7% of the CPU and lie about it until someone actually uses it and exposes us.
How effective is mining?
Well let's hope avoro will learn from this, and netcup will follow Hetzner in banning crypto mining, otherwise we will all pay shit to do some actual work with these machines.
edit: netcup actual does not allow mining
No idea, but I've had requests for 50+ dedicated servers from Hetzner and also 100s+ of VM orders. Seems like there are various Crypto things in play, some require IO other CPU.
But if you get a client asking for 4-8 vCores, 16 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD then you'll be certain it is for Crypto :-)
Seems it's quite effective currently. I've heard some people are throwing mid 4 figures at it without thinking twice
https://fortune.com/2022/02/10/texas-world-capital-bitcoin-mining-companies/
Well, time is the most ruthless teacher.
I am sure, consistent usage pattern will easily reveal any crypto mining
Hetzner actually goes way further these days. They ban any kind of crypto usage on anything including actual dedis.
When do you think OP will open thread blaming Hetzner shutting down their servers?
did hetzner not ban your usage?
Hehehe, actually i didn't think of it this way yet. Probably soon, very soon
(If Hetzner actually makes much of an effort to enforce this as long as the user doesn't stick out in general. In any case if OP isn't smart about it detecting it would probably be quite easy)
No hetzner doesn't care if you run nodes. A large percentage of ethereum nodes are run on hetzner. https://www.reddit.com/r/ethstaker/comments/15ss1f6/nodes_number_of_ethereum_nodes_and_the_most/
They won't. A large chunk of ethereum nodes are hosted on hetzner. They only prohibit mining. https://www.hetzner.com/legal/dedicated-server
Interesting. The must have changed back very recently.
OP is just naive. if cores can be dedicated on a 4-core vps then there would be no market for all those e3-1230 dedis. reality math. he will definitely get a good dose of reality from hetzner.
@online7237 what it's name of the AI LLM project or of the Crypto project , for what you need more exactly this amount of servers?
Look at top process list on first page - node-1... is the name of quilibrium.com client. They're making some "decentralized" cloud shit like Pied Piper in Sillicon Valley series
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They yeeted solana and have made it publicly clear that the policy is no crypto full stop (incl nodes, validating, staking, apis, etc), not just no mining
If you do this with Hetzner, you probably won't give you a refund.
OVH will do the same, they just keep the money as per ToS you accepted.
You realize the avoro terms and conditions don't prohibit what I was doing right? And hetzner doesn't even charge you up front for the server. You use it first and then pay for the service.
The terms and conditions only say mining. And tons of ethereum nodes are on hetzner. I've been using it for several months with no issues. If they take me off that's fine. In the case of avoro, it says nothing about what I was doing in their terms and conditions being prohibited.
I'm not naive. I've used netcup root servers and the steal was 0 and their price is pretty much the same as avoro. I've been using hetzner for several months. Their dedicated servers are great.
I guess this explains why it was all out of stock...
I guess there is lessons to be learned here...
Do your due diligence
If I were OP, I would have definitely tested things out before dropping over a 1k to buy hundreds of 9 eur vps. Don't just blindly agree to what hosting providers are advertising. Do your own testing to make sure you are making the right decision and it meets your needs. You got to have some doubt or suspicion when you are only paying 9 eur each. Most other hosts are far more expensive.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket
I don't understand why OP thought buying all 400+ VPS/VDS in 2 days from one hosting provider is a smart thing to do. What are you going to do when the host deadpools and runs with your money?
steal can be hidden. just because top says 0 doesn't mean it is. hetzner is great until your servers and account get deleted overnight.
so basically dataforest brands, avoro.eu and php-friends.de sell 100% burst cpu servers but advertises it as dedicated cores
Yes I should have thoroughly tested a couple first. But the servers looked like a copy of the netcup root servers which are good. And avoro has a lot of good reviews. I use other providers but a lot are out of stock or have limits until account is established.
If the provider tries to run with my money I would just open a paypal dispute or a dispute with my credit card company.
I used the netcup root server and got full rewards for the node I was running which required 4 dedicated cores or else it would be disqualified. So the 0 steal was in fact accurate. And regarding hetzner, any provider can do that at the end of the day. It comes with renting other peoples hardware. At least they don't lie about their service or steal peoples money like avoro.
in these days, the questions are is the
a) ip dedicated and are the
b) cores dedicated ?