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Mailchannels & Spamexperts Filter Resellers

Hello, community!

I am looking for a company, that can resell the MailChannels outbound filter.

My budget is $15 per month. If it's possible to start with 10k (or less if possible and I see the usage) emails that would be perfect. I am a small "indie" local system administrator managing some sites for people, so I don't need anything on a massive scale.

Regarding the billing period, I would prefer to pay monthly, however, I have no problem with commitment, simply am not the largest fan of prepayments.

I saw @gleert offered this in the past and got good vouches, but I am unsure which site is legit naranja.tech or *.naranjatec.com.

Additionally, I would also inquire about the incoming filter from Spamexperts if anyone is a reseller of that at affordable prices.

Thank you.

Best, Matic

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  • eriseris Member

    Not mailchannels but I am using it for few months now:

    https://www.smtp2go.com

    Thanked by 1sasslik
  • SilverCreekSilverCreek Member, Patron Provider, Megathread Squad

    We can work with what you need. Open a ticket on our site (https://my.terabit.io) and we'll take care of you. :)

  • gleertgleert Member, Host Rep

    @>; @matic said:

    Hello, community!

    I am looking for a company, that can resell the MailChannels outbound filter.

    My budget is $15 per month. If it's possible to start with 10k (or less if possible and I see the usage) emails that would be perfect. I am a small "indie" local system administrator managing some sites for people, so I don't need anything on a massive scale.

    Regarding the billing period, I would prefer to pay monthly, however, I have no problem with commitment, simply am not the largest fan of prepayments.

    I saw @gleert offered this in the past and got good vouches, but I am unsure which site is legit naranja.tech or *.naranjatec.com.

    Additionally, I would also inquire about the incoming filter from Spamexperts if anyone is a reseller of that at affordable prices.

    Thank you.

    Best, Matic

    Hi Matic,

    You can order here:
    https://mailchannels.naranjatec.com/

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    Mail.baby > MailChannels

    On price and delivery

    Thanked by 2adly Umair
  • gleertgleert Member, Host Rep

    @matic we also offer Spamexperts inbound filtering!

  • mc_ksimpsonmc_ksimpson Member, Patron Provider

    @jar said:
    Mail.baby > MailChannels

    On price and delivery

    Maybe on price, but the data on their deliverability suggests otherwise: https://imgur.com/a/B8wnpR3

    We measured the SMTP connection success rates of mail.baby, MailChannels, SendGrid, Mailgun, and Google into our inbound filtering service to get a raw sense of how well they police their endusers to eliminate the risk of earning a bad reputation with email receivers. Analyzing over a billion SMTP connections, we assess that mail.baby has a 12% rejection rate from their IPs - that's 4x higher than SendGrid and MailChannels.

    Senders with a high SMTP rejection rate are not doing a great job of filtering their customer traffic. Prior to May 1st, mail.baby dealt with their high rejection rate by delivering emails through MailChannels if they bounced. Now that the MailChannels avenue is no longer available to them, it will be interesting to see how that 12% rejection rate starts to leave a stain on their IP reputation over time, impacting inbox rates.

    We know that LET folks need a good price and that our enterprise pricing doesn't work for the little guys, which is why we have empowered @gleert as our authorized reseller with no restrictions on pricing. Our internal sales team has also been newly empowered with a model that works competitively against mail.baby. I congratulate the well-meaning team at mail.baby for making it this far; however, I'd like the community to recognize that much of their deliverability success came down to the fact that they were sending through another service.

    Thanked by 3maverick mrTom gleert
  • ZhenmueZhenmue Member

    interesting, in our experience, Mailchannels has a 70% rejection rate sending to Paid Microsoft customers.

  • hyperhostsolutionshyperhostsolutions Member, Patron Provider

    @matic said:
    Hello, community!

    I am looking for a company, that can resell the MailChannels outbound filter.

    My budget is $15 per month. If it's possible to start with 10k (or less if possible and I see the usage) emails that would be perfect. I am a small "indie" local system administrator managing some sites for people, so I don't need anything on a massive scale.

    Regarding the billing period, I would prefer to pay monthly, however, I have no problem with commitment, simply am not the largest fan of prepayments.

    I saw @gleert offered this in the past and got good vouches, but I am unsure which site is legit naranja.tech or *.naranjatec.com.

    Additionally, I would also inquire about the incoming filter from Spamexperts if anyone is a reseller of that at affordable prices.

    Thank you.

    Best, Matic

    Hey Matic

    We allow 8K a day after your initial 7 day limit for new mailboxes

    Would you be sending from different mailboxes? Or one single our limit is per mailbox

  • JosephFJosephF Member

    @JoseDieguez said:
    interesting, in our experience, Mailchannels has a 70% rejection rate sending to Paid Microsoft customers.

    Microsoft uses different spam criteria between paid and free customers?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited May 2024

    @mc_ksimpson said:

    @jar said:
    Mail.baby > MailChannels

    On price and delivery

    Maybe on price, but the data on their deliverability suggests otherwise: https://imgur.com/a/B8wnpR3

    We measured the SMTP connection success rates of mail.baby, MailChannels, SendGrid, Mailgun, and Google into our inbound filtering service to get a raw sense of how well they police their endusers to eliminate the risk of earning a bad reputation with email receivers. Analyzing over a billion SMTP connections, we assess that mail.baby has a 12% rejection rate from their IPs - that's 4x higher than SendGrid and MailChannels.

    Senders with a high SMTP rejection rate are not doing a great job of filtering their customer traffic. Prior to May 1st, mail.baby dealt with their high rejection rate by delivering emails through MailChannels if they bounced. Now that the MailChannels avenue is no longer available to them, it will be interesting to see how that 12% rejection rate starts to leave a stain on their IP reputation over time, impacting inbox rates.

    We know that LET folks need a good price and that our enterprise pricing doesn't work for the little guys, which is why we have empowered @gleert as our authorized reseller with no restrictions on pricing. Our internal sales team has also been newly empowered with a model that works competitively against mail.baby. I congratulate the well-meaning team at mail.baby for making it this far; however, I'd like the community to recognize that much of their deliverability success came down to the fact that they were sending through another service.

    Despite using mail.baby as our backup SMTP service for a long time now, I think it’s been over a year since I removed MailChannels from our SPF record because there was no need. If an email made it to MailChannels because neither I nor mail.baby could deliver it, the mistake was to try to continue because it was impossible to deliver. The only concerns anyone ever brought up about the SPF failures were indeed undeliverable emails that I should have halted much earlier in the stack. You guys are doing great things, but mail.baby is doing an excellent job as well.

    It’s honestly a good thing because I don’t think MC can keep up with being the only ones doing delivery right, as the entire email landscape is shifting to nearly requiring what you guys do. It’s gonna take all of us to keep up with Google and MS. Between the 3 of us, and however many others pop up doing similar things over time, we'll be able to work together to set standards over the next decade. I believe that.

    Thanked by 1adly
  • OutdoorOutdoor Member

    I use MX route.

    And it is allways problem with delivery to Microsoft users.

    Delivery to Gmail is fine.

    Crossbox app for android just keep crashing.

  • OutdoorOutdoor Member

  • ZhenmueZhenmue Member

    @JosephF said:

    @JoseDieguez said:
    interesting, in our experience, Mailchannels has a 70% rejection rate sending to Paid Microsoft customers.

    Microsoft uses different spam criteria between paid and free customers?

    yes.

    In our experience sending 1+ million mails per month with mailchannels, reaching to free @outlook addresses was no issue, like with any other provider.

    but reaching to paid Microsoft customers, was a pain in the a**, and had many tickets with Mailchannels, some people confirming the issue on WHT, and that was the reason we leaved Mailchannels, paying a big premium price, to not even be able to reach one of the biggest mail providers lol.

    Thanked by 1JosephF
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited May 2024

    @Outdoor said:
    I use MX route.

    And it is allways problem with delivery to Microsoft users.

    Delivery to Gmail is fine.

    Crossbox app for android just keep crashing.

    We have zero problems with delivery to Microsoft. Exceptions are:

    1. Individual settings by Exchange admins that interfere with their ability to receive mail from external and non whitelisted senders.
    2. When Microsoft dislikes your domain (well documented that they silently drop email from some domains).
    3. When they are having issues with their servers (not rare, they’ve had unacknowledged soft outages the last 2 days).

    Feel free to open a ticket and ask me to confirm successful delivery to them anytime. Not only do we have a flawless IP reputation with them, but 100% of their few feedback loop reports (messages that they filtered to spam folder or that their customers reported as spam) are legitimate and non spam emails. Which is fine, considering Microsoft’s own emails land in their own spam folder. Spam folder delivery isn’t always indicative of IP reputation but also over zealous content filters. This to say, I pour blood, sweat, and tears into my reputation with Microsoft. Almost everything we do for outbound mail has been in service of reputation with them (literally everyone else is easier). I stand by the result.

    As far as @CrossBox goes I just pay the invoice for the most part. Feel free to use other mail apps if preferred.

    Thanked by 1Razza
  • RazzaRazza Member

    I agree with @jar ending up in Junk at Microsoft operated domains isn't always a indication of poor IP reputation, if anything most of the time it due to quirks of their content filters even Microsoft own mail get dumped to junk.

    My own suspicion there is a difference in how each MS own free domain (hotmail/live/outlook.*) spam filtering work I can send multiple emails same sender, subject and even sent from same IP to
    hotmail/live/outlook address and it get filtered in different way 2 inbox 1 junk or 2 junk 1 inbox etc.

    Even without sending my own test email if I just comparing my own inbox @live.com to other family member who got @hotmail address,@live is more aggressive at filtering emails to point where legitimate mail ends in junk and @hotmail legitimate mail ends up in inbox but obvious spam also ends up Inbox.

    Thanked by 1jar
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @Razza said:
    I agree with @jar ending up in Junk at Microsoft operated domains isn't always a indication of poor IP reputation, if anything most of the time it due to quirks of their content filters even Microsoft own mail get dumped to junk.

    My own suspicion there is a difference in how each MS own free domain (hotmail/live/outlook.*) spam filtering work I can send multiple emails same sender, subject and even sent from same IP to
    hotmail/live/outlook address and it get filtered in different way 2 inbox 1 junk or 2 junk 1 inbox etc.

    Even without sending my own test email if I just comparing my own inbox @live.com to other family member who got @hotmail address,@live is more aggressive at filtering emails to point where legitimate mail ends in junk and @hotmail legitimate mail ends up in inbox but obvious spam also ends up Inbox.

    I honesty think their filters give more spam weight to their own live.* domains. Meaning their own domains trip their own spam filters harder.

  • interservermikeinterservermike Member, Patron Provider

    The more > @mc_ksimpson said:

    @jar said:
    Mail.baby > MailChannels

    On price and delivery

    Maybe on price, but the data on their deliverability suggests otherwise: https://imgur.com/a/B8wnpR3

    We measured the SMTP connection success rates of mail.baby, MailChannels, SendGrid, Mailgun, and Google into our inbound filtering service to get a raw sense of how well they police their endusers to eliminate the risk of earning a bad reputation with email receivers. Analyzing over a billion SMTP connections, we assess that mail.baby has a 12% rejection rate from their IPs - that's 4x higher than SendGrid and MailChannels.

    Senders with a high SMTP rejection rate are not doing a great job of filtering their customer traffic. Prior to May 1st, mail.baby dealt with their high rejection rate by delivering emails through MailChannels if they bounced. Now that the MailChannels avenue is no longer available to them, it will be interesting to see how that 12% rejection rate starts to leave a stain on their IP reputation over time, impacting inbox rates.

    We know that LET folks need a good price and that our enterprise pricing doesn't work for the little guys, which is why we have empowered @gleert as our authorized reseller with no restrictions on pricing. Our internal sales team has also been newly empowered with a model that works competitively against mail.baby. I congratulate the well-meaning team at mail.baby for making it this far; however, I'd like the community to recognize that much of their deliverability success came down to the fact that they were sending through another service.

    Take it easy. It's just a baby.

    Thanked by 3jar Zhenmue Umair
  • mc_ksimpsonmc_ksimpson Member, Patron Provider

    @interservermike said:

    Take it easy. It's just a baby.

    I can't top this. It's far too positive and friendly for an online forum!

    Thanked by 1fluffernutter
  • LeviLevi Member

    @mc_ksimpson said:

    @interservermike said:

    Take it easy. It's just a baby.

    I can't top this. It's far too positive and friendly for an online forum!

    Holy shot, but your data was actually good. Pumped out 1B spam and baby mail dropped 12%?

  • LeviLevi Member

    @interservermike you have dropped mailchannels as your sending service?

  • interservermikeinterservermike Member, Patron Provider

    @Levi said:
    @interservermike you have dropped mailchannels as your sending service?

    Other way around. They dropped the baby.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @interservermike said: Other way around. They dropped the baby.

    Don't kick the baby!

    Francisco

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited May 2024

    @interservermike said:

    @Levi said:
    @interservermike you have dropped mailchannels as your sending service?

    Other way around. They dropped the baby.

    It was time. I wish them the best, Ken has kept that ship afloat thus far. But you outgrew the training wheels. You’ve been ready to hold your own.

  • LeviLevi Member

    @interservermike said:

    @Levi said:
    @interservermike you have dropped mailchannels as your sending service?

    Other way around. They dropped the baby.

    Without mailchannels what’s the point?

  • JosephFJosephF Member

    @interservermike said:

    @Levi said:
    @interservermike you have dropped mailchannels as your sending service?

    Other way around. They dropped the baby.

    Was CPS contacted?

  • interservermikeinterservermike Member, Patron Provider

    @Levi said:

    @interservermike said:

    @Levi said:
    @interservermike you have dropped mailchannels as your sending service?

    Other way around. They dropped the baby.

    Without mailchannels what’s the point?

    It is fine.

  • MechanicWebMechanicWeb Member, Patron Provider

    @mc_ksimpson said: Our internal sales team has also been newly empowered with a model that works competitively against mail.baby.

    I am not quite sure what you meant there.

    Are you hinting that MC customers can now get pricing competitive to mail.baby?

    If so, how to get that?

    Thanked by 1adly
  • ThundasThundas Member

    @interservermike said:

    @Levi said:
    @interservermike you have dropped mailchannels as your sending service?

    Other way around. They dropped the baby.

    Is this corporate talk for "you've now become a threat to our business & we now refuse to do business with you"?

  • PhilNWPhilNW Member

    @MechanicWeb said:
    I am not quite sure what you meant there.

    Are you hinting that MC customers can now get pricing competitive to mail.baby?

    If so, how to get that?

    I emailed to enquire, but as yet haven't had a response.

  • ZhenmueZhenmue Member
    edited May 2024

    not sure what mailchannels did today, but mailbaby has had a critical impact incident for 6-7 hours and going today :(

    Edited: wrote "outage" at first, but is a "severe increase on false positives, wich seems like an outage".

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