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Just by mentioning AS3320 the global overall happiness scale of mankind just got degraded by 0.1. And now I did it again, so it's already down by 0.2.
So DTAG + T1 you won't have any fun in Germany. You can usually get rid of it cheaply via RETN, otherwise there would still be Core-Backbone (CDN77 uses Core-Backbone for DTAG, among others, in my opinion) - otherwise it will probably be relatively disgusting.
In the end, we pay several thousand euros for our PNI every month for AS3320/DTAG, but in the end we certainly pay less than most for EUR 0.80, we are well below that
Cogent is no longer a Tier 1 provider, because they can't reach NTT and HE-IPv6.
Let's cancel Cogent and switch to insert meme provider name here instead.
Yeah, totally fair, I already have my sights on some ISPs to get cheaper DTAG, since their prices are even more insane. Germany itself is expensive in general, DE-CIX FRA/DUS are also insanly expensive.
I think Cogent is the most memeable provider we have. What other options do we have? Level3?
Yes, it's more expensive than transit, in the end we actually migrated everything from DE-CIX to PNIs
Might be the way to go, do you have a nice page where you list all your PNI's and stuff? Or can you disclose it in DMs?
DMs is the way to go, publicly reluctantly, as we have a lot to do with DDoS attacks and one could of course deduce from this what could be attacked how/where.
Cogent is fine. However, any reputable network shouldn't be single homed to only Cogent > @Moopah said:
They acquired Sprint for $1. Better than most of the VPS deals here on LET.
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/cogent-to-convert-45-sprint-switch-sites-into-colo-data-centers/
There are some topics in the cloudflare forum that packets from DTAG (AS3320) to CLOUDFLARE (AS13335) are routed via DTAG US resulting in very high pings.
Is this also related to the de-peering or a completely different problem?
Its a completely different problem
@fiberstate
@kait is right though, it hurts Cogent more because a Cogent downstrean is probably more likely to be single-homed.
Interesting seeing the experiences shared here. I assume, like all things: highly regionally dependent. In my (limited) view of tickets between our NOC and Cogent, the Cogent NOC has been by far the least helpful, least knowledgeable, and slowest to reply out of all other NOC's we've dealt with--which includes NTT (who I'd rank up near the top). I'll hand it to our specific sales rep/team: they've stepped in way post-sales to help straighten things out or bump for responses. Should it be necessary? No--but they got it done.
That being said, for the price Cogent's US network is actually pretty good when it is working. With acquiring all that Sprint long-haul the expectation was that it should get better, or at least have the ability to get better. Their routes to the EU seem solid, too. I do know they're supposedly opening up a Sprint long-haul line we've been wanting to get access to that is a very well-placed wave/dark route to slice through the northern part of the US (ID/MT towards Chicago without going down to Denver). According to our rep it's actually opened up already, but they're light on actual POPs to connect as they're still rolling a bunch more of these out this year.
I will say this peering stuff is kind of sad, though. I don't buy Cogent's reasoning at face-value, and the way things currently stand we all know bandwidth/capacity in Asia is not equivalent to Europe or US.
As a customer of both, it's like Mom and Dad are fighting and my older step-brother (HE) is in his room next door smoking weedv6 with his cool friends.
Forgot to add this, but yeah I would agree. We have NTT for a very specific purpose. We don't have them elsewhere (yet, at least) because that purpose is excellent routes/capacity to Asia. That matters a lot less in Philadelphia, PA than it does in Seattle, WA. Going to be similar with someone like PCCW. If someone is single-homed in the LE* world, it's almost certainly going to be HE or Cogent specifically due to availability and pricing. It's also easier to find a replacement for Cogent that is 'close-enough' on pricing if you needed US or EU capacity. A lot more difficult when we're talking good-quality Asian capacity.
oh great another peering dispute.
More sand in the potato salad!!
We are a customer of you and a peer with HE.
Does this mean you are both my daddy and my step-cousin?
I think you missed the part where T-Mobile paid Cogent $700 million to take Sprint.
Cogent and T-Mobile already said that the IP transit service isn't even turned on, so it's just basically a cash payment.
My guess is NTT didn't want Cogent in their backyard. Cogent is a major price disruptor for new markets. Kinda unfair IMHO because Cogent was peering with NTT in Europe (not anymore) and still peers with them in the U.S.
Someone mentioned their acquisition of Sprint legacy wireline. They have 200 active optical wave pops with another 600 coming online by EOY
Who are your transits in PA?
We are very well peered with each other.
PA is where we're a primary Cogent customer (we don't use them in WA). Our backup circuit is a Arelion/Lumen blend, and emergency connectivity is riding a (different) mulitpathed wave to one of our other POPs to pickup DIA. Eyeballing two regional IX's for connectivity with another primary upstream (GTT/NTT) but they both require some level of planning and figuring out that isn't done yet.
Cogent still uses the Sprint brand for their IP network?
(BTW, when you refer to "wireline" that typically refers to an LEC or IXC business. Sprint owned a legacy non-Bell ILEC business originally called United Telecom. Cogent presumably only purchased Sprint's IP network from T-Mobile.)
Long Haul optical waves in the U.S.