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Russia | Federal Law No. 406-FZ | New laws regarding hosting in Russia.

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  • @Neoon said:
    Profit.
    I fucking love mesh vpn's, plug and play.

    Even managed to skim 10ms off the route to boot!

    What mesh VPN are you using if you don't mind me asking? I'm thinking this needs to be my next project.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited August 2023

    @rustelekom said: which sets them apart from Westerners.

    No, it doesn't. The Trumpistanis are at war with their own state, les gilets jaunes, just stop oil, let alone many, much more violent, movements, IRA, ETA, Red Army, Sendero Luminoso, FARC, Al-Qaeda and tons of others all over the world.
    Some of those grievances are real, some are conspiracy theories, the thing in Russia is real, at least.

    @rustelekom said: This action aligns with the needs of a state at war, which requires increased control and funding.

    If only there were a way to stop the war...

    @rustelekom said: The latest law appears to be aimed at exerting more control over the internet and making it financially beneficial for the state.

    Well, in Russia everything must be beneficial for the state, it was always that way, the state or the mafia and now both as they are being unified. The people must manage on their own somehow, through bribes, emigration, flying under the radar, joining the mafia-state etc.

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  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Don_Keedic said:

    @Neoon said:
    Profit.
    I fucking love mesh vpn's, plug and play.

    Even managed to skim 10ms off the route to boot!

    What mesh VPN are you using if you don't mind me asking? I'm thinking this needs to be my next project.

    I am using my own.
    https://github.com/Ne00n/wg-mesh

    Basically I got one box with a reverse proxy, exposing the API to let others outside the network join via a Token.

    Like this:
    cli.py connect https://mahserver.com whateverthetokenis

    After running the init and I am set.
    The new server is going to fully mesh into the network.

    Thanked by 3SirFoxy Maounique 0xC7
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @Neoon said: firstbyte.ru

    Great find :P I must get one :D

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Maounique said:

    @Neoon said: firstbyte.ru

    Great find :P I must get one :D

    It used to to be 50RUB, however still a steal for 75RUB.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @Neoon said: It used to to be 50RUB, however still a steal for 75RUB.

    The RUB rate used to be below 60:1 now is about 100:1 so it was just the normal adjusting, even below.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited August 2023

    @BlaZe said: Can any Russian resident comment on this? I see many foreigners sharing opinions but the ground reality can come only from people living in Russia :D

    You saw one Russian proverb posted above, here's another:

    The rigidity of Russian laws is offset by the optionality of their enforcement.

    Not saying this necessarily applies in this case, but don't be surprised if long after the "deadline February 1, 2024" nobody still knows where and how to register, who is in charge of running a list of registrants, and none of the normative documents outlining the actual details have even been drafted yet. (Meanwhile, a few billion Roubles have already been spent on the initiative and successfully stolen.)

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited August 2023

    @rm_ said: don't be surprised if long after the "deadline February 1, 2024" nobody still knows where and how to register, who is in charge of running a list of registrants, and none of the normative documents outlining the actual details have even been drafted yet.

    This reminds me of Romania of today...

    @rm_ said: (Meanwhile, a few billion Roubles have already been spent on the initiative and successfully stolen.)

    and of yesterday.

    There is a certain threshold over which the laws no longer matter, when the mafia state becomes a failed state. The weaker the state, the harsher the laws, it means they can't be enforced anymore and people could only be controlled by fear, "the power of example", show trials. The law breaking is so widespread that no repressive apparatus could cope with enforcing it so it is only enforced in the news.

    We had many jokes in Romania regarding the communist system, one example:

    Romania is a country which can't be explained:

    1. People don't have work to do, but nobody is unemployed;
    2. While nobody is really working, the wages are still paid;
    3. Even as the wages are paid, you can't buy anything with the money;
    4. The shelves in the shops are empty, but the peoples' refrigerators and freezers are full;
    5. While the factories are permanently waiting for the inputs to arrive and don't produce anything, people still find things to steal;
    6. While everyone is stealing, nobody is being caught;
    7. Since 2 millennia ago Romanians keep stealing and there are still things left to be stolen to this day.

    People manage to survive in very bad conditions, they will find a way.

  • @rm_ said:

    @BlaZe said: Can any Russian resident comment on this? I see many foreigners sharing opinions but the ground reality can come only from people living in Russia :D

    You saw one Russian proverb posted above, here's another:

    The rigidity of Russian laws is offset by the optionality of their enforcement.

    Not saying this necessarily applies in this case, but don't be surprised if long after the "deadline February 1, 2024" nobody still knows where and how to register, who is in charge of running a list of registrants, and none of the normative documents outlining the actual details have even been drafted yet. (Meanwhile, a few billion Roubles have already been spent on the initiative and successfully stolen.)

    Damn, that's direct. In Chinese something akin to "Mountains are high and the emperor is far" gets used. Although in reality it's more like "Mountains are high and the emperor somehow managed to create an ID that doesn't expire after your renewal at around age 29 and so have non real idea of your actual citizenship unless you tell them".

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited September 2023

    @stefeman said: on a system “permanently connected to the internet.”

    I think this could be the get out of jail card. If the internet is cut for a few minutes every day for "maintenance" then the system is no longer permanently connected to the internet.

    Nah, joking, the laws are inconsequential, the courts have their orders and they would follow those to the letter.

    The constitution of the Soviet Union was among the most liberal in the world, still...

  • This law is called "kopylka", to roughly translate - bird feeder. Just another venue to syphon money via blatant corruption.

    Ukraine on another hand, became MFIA puppet by strictening law against piracy.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited September 2023

    Putin, "the dictator wading through blood", who just so happens to have a far higher percentage of people voting for him than any of the ridiculous western puppets, has made yet another law!!! Oy vey!

    And as usual "smart citizens" from the western world (read: US-Americans and their vassals) "know" everything about Russia and Russians ...
    What many of them do not seem to know however is that in quite some (all?) us-american regions/states just about any police officer can take away your car and everything in it ... based on ... them feeling like it. Another example: in quite a few vassal countries russian companies, yachts, possessions, bank funds were willy nilly confiscated (read: robbed) by "democratic", "freedom respecting", "open and free business", regimes.

    I for one welcome and laud the russian government finally using only 100% pure russian companies.
    Just like I'd welcome and laud any other countries government doing the same, too. Because sensitive and citizens data should be kept within the country and with only a countries' companies/providers/etc. - and not under who knows which shady countries' jurisdiction and control (usually the USA who doesn't give a flying f#ck about other countries' rules and sometimes even their own ones)!

    On the other hand tough I find it funny how western "smart citizens" condemn "evil" Russia, "evil" China, etc ... while their own oh soooo democratic regimes ram cacti in their arses while plundering them. So, just carry on and amuse me!

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  • @jsg said:
    Putin, "the dictator wading through blood", who just so happens to have a far higher percentage of people voting for him than any of the ridiculous western puppets, has made yet another law!!! Oy vey!

    A guy who rules an autocratic country with an iron fist and has either banned or killed all possible political opponents has a high percentage of people voting for him? You don't say!

    In some countries, the legislative branch actually has power, and it's not the president who gets to decide alone what becomes law.

    I for one welcome and laud the russian government finally using only 100% pure russian companies.

    That's not the real purpose behind this law. As others have noted, it's impossible to use purely Russian software, hardware, and networks for every use. The law is all about making it easier for the Russian government to regulate what is published online by increasing control over hosting companies.

    On the other hand tough I find it funny how western "smart citizens" condemn "evil" Russia, "evil" China, etc ... while their own oh soooo democratic regimes ram cacti in their arses while plundering them. So, just carry on and amuse me!

    Sorry, but problems in actual democratic countries do not excuse what is happening in Russia or China. You may favor authoritarian governments, but history has shown that most people live better in democracies.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited September 2023

    @aj_potc said:

    @jsg said:
    Putin, "the dictator wading through blood", who just so happens to have a far higher percentage of people voting for him than any of the ridiculous western puppets, has made yet another law!!! Oy vey!

    A guy who rules an autocratic country

    Just an opinion and actually factually false.

    with an iron fist and has either banned or killed all possible political opponents

    Just an opinion and actually factually false.

    has a high percentage of people voting for him?

    Yes, that's a fact.

    In some countries, the legislative branch actually has power, and it's not the president who gets to decide alone what becomes law.

    Oh, really? Actually in many (most) countries laws need to pass and be signed by some person, be it a king or a president.

    I for one welcome and laud the russian government finally using only 100% pure russian companies.

    That's not the real purpose behind this law.

    which you of course know ...

    As others have noted, it's impossible to use purely Russian software, hardware, and networks for every use.

    Russia is by no means the only country with that problem, neither the only one finding acceptable compromise solutions like e.g. some externally created hardware and software being checked and allowed to be used.
    Russia however often is the only country being criticized and defamed for it. Thanks for providing an example.

    On the other hand tough I find it funny how western "smart citizens" condemn "evil" Russia, "evil" China, etc ... while their own oh soooo democratic regimes ram cacti in their arses while plundering them. So, just carry on and amuse me!

    Sorry, but problems in actual democratic countries do not excuse what is happening in Russia or China.

    Neither Russia nor China owe justification to anyone but their citizens. There simply is nothing to excuse, except in the minds of (usually western) "smart citizens" demanding justifications or even excuses from Russia, "evil" China, etc ... while their own oh soooo democratic regimes ram cacti in their arses while plundering them

    Btw, many countries, including oh sooooo democratic ones attempt to control the internet, at least in their jurisdiction, in one way or another. I recommend to have a good look at Edward Snowden.

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  • I wish gaming companies like Blizzard would also respect Russians privacy concerns by banning them from their online services, which would decrease the number of cheaters by at least 70% in return. hit two birds with one stone.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited September 2023

    @Fireboy said: I wish gaming companies like Blizzard would also respect Russians privacy concerns by banning them from their online services, which would decrease the number of cheaters by at least 70% in return. hit two birds with one stone.

    I play Lineage II in the EU (Core) server which is run under licence by a Swedish company which also has the rights for the Ruski Mir (former Soviet Union minus the EU parts).
    "LA2" is very popular in Russia and many people are making money from the game.
    I have no issues with that, but many of those Ruskis are posing as Europeans are infiltrating our server bringing their bug abuses, "services and items" shops which are mostly scams and then use the advantages brought by cheating to abuse legits.

    Of course, they are regularly banned, but not often enough to minimize the impact.
    I just hope all gaming companies would find a way to block all Russians from entering servers of other regions.
    Failing that, maybe Putler does manage to fence off his Empire's networks and we won't have to worry about that anymore.

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  • @jsg said:
    Putin, "the dictator wading through blood", who just so happens to have a far higher percentage of people voting for him than any of the ridiculous western puppets, has made yet another law!!! Oy vey!

    Алексей Анатольевич Навальный должен быть освобожден из тюрьмы.

  • @Tion said:

    @jsg said:
    Putin, "the dictator wading through blood", who just so happens to have a far higher percentage of people voting for him than any of the ridiculous western puppets, has made yet another law!!! Oy vey!

    Алексей Анатольевич Навальный должен быть освобожден из тюрьмы.

    Unfortunately damage done in prison where he is will be and is unrepairable. Russia know how to brake human body, mind and soul. Navalny is a shell of former man.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited September 2023

    @Tion said:

    @jsg said:
    Putin, "the dictator wading through blood", who just so happens to have a far higher percentage of people voting for him than any of the ridiculous western puppets, has made yet another law!!! Oy vey!

    Алексей Анатольевич Навальный должен быть освобожден из тюрьмы.

    Thanks for making me laugh! That guy seems to have a high importance and quite many idiots even "think" that he could bring president Putin down.

    The reality however is that (a) that guy is in prison because he committed crimes; not as in "didn't admire Putin enough" but rather as in "defrauded clients and companies", and (b) that guy is utterly insignificant in Russia. He and his gang micro-party didn't even reach the entry barrier in elections, except in a few towns and regions, where they still are impotent due to their low, low election results.

    Anyway, ending up in jail still is much better than seeing one's whole country bombed and a president a certain "exceptional" nation did want to murder murdered. And yes, there is plenty evidence for that.

    But again, carry on and amuse me. Because that's what I am, amused, when the most criminal and murderous country in the world (and their vassals) try to lecture a country with a not just law abiding but actually law obsessed president.

    Similarly I smirk when I see a certain vile asshole call the russian president "Putler". Simple reason: there are clear indication that his country begs to be the next on Russias menu - and, unlike Ukraine that country is hardly a joke militarily.

    Maybe it would be smarter to stick to the topic of this thread ...

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited September 2023

    @LTniger said: This law is called "kopylka", to roughly translate - bird feeder. Just another venue to syphon money via blatant corruption.

    kopilka means a box for saving up money, it took me a few moments to realize you meant "kormushka" which is actually the bird (or any other animal) feeder, and is indeed used as a slang term like that.

    @Maounique said: "LA2" is very popular in Russia and many people are making money from the game.

    I played a ton of it, probably like a few years. Of in-game time. :)

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