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Ordered a virtual dedicated server from Webtropia

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  • labzelabze Member, Patron Provider

    @srch07 said:

    @Prime404 said:
    I jumped the bullet about a week ago and got the cheap 5 euros cloud VPS small instance. I think I got lucky with my instance, the Geekbench score is absolutely insane for the price.

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2023-04-23                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Thu Jun  8 09:55:03 AM UTC 2023
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 0 days, 0 hours, 6 minutes
    Processor  : AMD EPYC Processor (with IBPB)
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 2794.748 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 7.8 GiB
    Swap       : 11.8 GiB
    Disk       : 65.4 GiB
    Distro     : Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
    Kernel     : 5.15.0-40-generic
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ❌ Offline
    
    IPv4 Network Information:
    ---------------------------------
    ISP        : myLoc managed IT AG
    ASN        : AS24961 myLoc managed IT AG
    Host       : myLoc managed IT AG
    Location   : Mülheim, North Rhine-Westphalia (NW)
    Country    : Germany
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 10.00 MB/s    (2.5k) | 162.01 MB/s   (2.5k)
    Write      | 10.04 MB/s    (2.5k) | 162.87 MB/s   (2.5k)
    Total      | 20.04 MB/s    (5.0k) | 324.88 MB/s   (5.0k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 1.01 GB/s     (1.9k) | 2.02 GB/s     (1.9k)
    Write      | 1.07 GB/s     (2.0k) | 2.15 GB/s     (2.1k)
    Total      | 2.09 GB/s     (4.0k) | 4.18 GB/s     (4.0k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 944 Mbits/sec   | 6.49 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Scaleway        | Paris, FR (10G)           | busy            | 5.92 Gbits/sec  | 17.3 ms        
    NovoServe       | North Holland, NL (40G)   | 958 Mbits/sec   | 8.60 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 913 Mbits/sec   | 2.10 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 888 Mbits/sec   | 260 Mbits/sec   | --             
    Clouvider       | Dallas, TX, US (10G)      | 852 Mbits/sec   | 1.53 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 767 Mbits/sec   | 1.14 Gbits/sec  | --             
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 1472                          
    Multi Core      | 3892                          
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1520960
    
    YABS completed in 10 min 2 sec
    

    I looked at this guy's Yabs and bought them for 5 bucks.

    CPU is freaking good. https://bot.ax/bdJHg

    Even better then many LET providers. Sorry guys. :hushed:

    Steal is 1% at the moment with a small db server on it. Let's see if it remains like that.

    I'd love to see how it performs in a month. I purchased one a while ago and it started amazing but after a few weeks CPU steal went to 50%+ consistently, and Geekbench got greatly reduced. It might have been due to a huge influx of users since it was a new package then.

    Even with that said, it really is a great deal.

  • srch07srch07 Member

    @labze said:

    @srch07 said:

    @Prime404 said:
    I jumped the bullet about a week ago and got the cheap 5 euros cloud VPS small instance. I think I got lucky with my instance, the Geekbench score is absolutely insane for the price.

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2023-04-23                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Thu Jun  8 09:55:03 AM UTC 2023
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 0 days, 0 hours, 6 minutes
    Processor  : AMD EPYC Processor (with IBPB)
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 2794.748 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 7.8 GiB
    Swap       : 11.8 GiB
    Disk       : 65.4 GiB
    Distro     : Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
    Kernel     : 5.15.0-40-generic
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ❌ Offline
    
    IPv4 Network Information:
    ---------------------------------
    ISP        : myLoc managed IT AG
    ASN        : AS24961 myLoc managed IT AG
    Host       : myLoc managed IT AG
    Location   : Mülheim, North Rhine-Westphalia (NW)
    Country    : Germany
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 10.00 MB/s    (2.5k) | 162.01 MB/s   (2.5k)
    Write      | 10.04 MB/s    (2.5k) | 162.87 MB/s   (2.5k)
    Total      | 20.04 MB/s    (5.0k) | 324.88 MB/s   (5.0k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 1.01 GB/s     (1.9k) | 2.02 GB/s     (1.9k)
    Write      | 1.07 GB/s     (2.0k) | 2.15 GB/s     (2.1k)
    Total      | 2.09 GB/s     (4.0k) | 4.18 GB/s     (4.0k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 944 Mbits/sec   | 6.49 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Scaleway        | Paris, FR (10G)           | busy            | 5.92 Gbits/sec  | 17.3 ms        
    NovoServe       | North Holland, NL (40G)   | 958 Mbits/sec   | 8.60 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 913 Mbits/sec   | 2.10 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 888 Mbits/sec   | 260 Mbits/sec   | --             
    Clouvider       | Dallas, TX, US (10G)      | 852 Mbits/sec   | 1.53 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 767 Mbits/sec   | 1.14 Gbits/sec  | --             
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 1472                          
    Multi Core      | 3892                          
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1520960
    
    YABS completed in 10 min 2 sec
    

    I looked at this guy's Yabs and bought them for 5 bucks.

    CPU is freaking good. https://bot.ax/bdJHg

    Even better then many LET providers. Sorry guys. :hushed:

    Steal is 1% at the moment with a small db server on it. Let's see if it remains like that.

    I'd love to see how it performs in a month. I purchased one a while ago and it started amazing but after a few weeks CPU steal went to 50%+ consistently, and Geekbench got greatly reduced. It might have been due to a huge influx of users since it was a new package then.

    Even with that said, it really is a great deal.

    I have been lucky on Contabo, so holding candle to light on this.
    Contabo one has been having <10% steal for over 1.5 year.

    Only thing I am finding interesting about webtropia is, both SSD and NVME for 4k seems to be locked at 10Mbps. Kind of funny.

    Thanked by 1BasToTheMax
  • labzelabze Member, Patron Provider

    @srch07 said:

    @labze said:

    @srch07 said:

    @Prime404 said:
    I jumped the bullet about a week ago and got the cheap 5 euros cloud VPS small instance. I think I got lucky with my instance, the Geekbench score is absolutely insane for the price.

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2023-04-23                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Thu Jun  8 09:55:03 AM UTC 2023
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 0 days, 0 hours, 6 minutes
    Processor  : AMD EPYC Processor (with IBPB)
    CPU cores  : 4 @ 2794.748 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 7.8 GiB
    Swap       : 11.8 GiB
    Disk       : 65.4 GiB
    Distro     : Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
    Kernel     : 5.15.0-40-generic
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ❌ Offline
    
    IPv4 Network Information:
    ---------------------------------
    ISP        : myLoc managed IT AG
    ASN        : AS24961 myLoc managed IT AG
    Host       : myLoc managed IT AG
    Location   : Mülheim, North Rhine-Westphalia (NW)
    Country    : Germany
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 10.00 MB/s    (2.5k) | 162.01 MB/s   (2.5k)
    Write      | 10.04 MB/s    (2.5k) | 162.87 MB/s   (2.5k)
    Total      | 20.04 MB/s    (5.0k) | 324.88 MB/s   (5.0k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 1.01 GB/s     (1.9k) | 2.02 GB/s     (1.9k)
    Write      | 1.07 GB/s     (2.0k) | 2.15 GB/s     (2.1k)
    Total      | 2.09 GB/s     (4.0k) | 4.18 GB/s     (4.0k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed      | Ping           
    -----           | -----                     | ----            | ----            | ----           
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 944 Mbits/sec   | 6.49 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Scaleway        | Paris, FR (10G)           | busy            | 5.92 Gbits/sec  | 17.3 ms        
    NovoServe       | North Holland, NL (40G)   | 958 Mbits/sec   | 8.60 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Uztelecom       | Tashkent, UZ (10G)        | 913 Mbits/sec   | 2.10 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 888 Mbits/sec   | 260 Mbits/sec   | --             
    Clouvider       | Dallas, TX, US (10G)      | 852 Mbits/sec   | 1.53 Gbits/sec  | --             
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 767 Mbits/sec   | 1.14 Gbits/sec  | --             
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 1472                          
    Multi Core      | 3892                          
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1520960
    
    YABS completed in 10 min 2 sec
    

    I looked at this guy's Yabs and bought them for 5 bucks.

    CPU is freaking good. https://bot.ax/bdJHg

    Even better then many LET providers. Sorry guys. :hushed:

    Steal is 1% at the moment with a small db server on it. Let's see if it remains like that.

    I'd love to see how it performs in a month. I purchased one a while ago and it started amazing but after a few weeks CPU steal went to 50%+ consistently, and Geekbench got greatly reduced. It might have been due to a huge influx of users since it was a new package then.

    Even with that said, it really is a great deal.

    I have been lucky on Contabo, so holding candle to light on this.
    Contabo one has been having <10% steal for over 1.5 year.

    Only thing I am finding interesting about webtropia is, both SSD and NVME for 4k seems to be locked at 10Mbps. Kind of funny.

    Yeah, you're locked at 5K IOPS for any size. Not something you would knew unless you benchmark it in 99% of cases.

  • is there a way to install an OS via ISO or are you limited with the list of OS Webtropia offers?

  • @fredo1664 said:
    is there a way to install an OS via ISO or are you limited with the list of OS Webtropia offers?

    Custom ISO is not possible there.

    Thanked by 1fredo1664
  • Just a fair warning to those that use Webtropia, but if you remove the QEMU Guest Agent or install another OS they will threaten to suspend the services:

    during a routine check of our host systems we noticed that they do not have the QEMU Guest Agent service running or installed.
    As a result, they cannot change or set SSH keys or passwords.
    However, we need the access to be able to change and add IPs.
    For this reason it is important and mandatory that you have the service installed.
    You can easily install this service later.
    The ISO with the required files is located in a virtual CD-Rom drive on your server. There you execute the file "./install".
    After that the installation will start.
    
    Please let us know when you have installed the tool so we can check if the connection works.
    
    If you do not install the Guest Tools, we have to block your server, because this limits the functional security.
    Please also note our terms and conditions: https://agb.myloc.de/?L=1 §9.4"
    

    With this guest agent they can make any changes to the guest OS, such as adding new users and changing passwords without the approval of the customer. They claim it is for security but nowhere in their terms they specify that the guest agent have to be installed to utilize their service.

    Due to this I have a hard time to recommend their services, even if the price is good.

  • srch07srch07 Member

    @Prime404 said:
    Just a fair warning to those that use Webtropia, but if you remove the QEMU Guest Agent or install another OS they will threaten to suspend the services:

    during a routine check of our host systems we noticed that they do not have the QEMU Guest Agent service running or installed.
    As a result, they cannot change or set SSH keys or passwords.
    However, we need the access to be able to change and add IPs.
    For this reason it is important and mandatory that you have the service installed.
    You can easily install this service later.
    The ISO with the required files is located in a virtual CD-Rom drive on your server. There you execute the file "./install".
    After that the installation will start.
    
    Please let us know when you have installed the tool so we can check if the connection works.
    
    If you do not install the Guest Tools, we have to block your server, because this limits the functional security.
    Please also note our terms and conditions: https://agb.myloc.de/?L=1 §9.4"
    

    With this guest agent they can make any changes to the guest OS, such as adding new users and changing passwords without the approval of the customer. They claim it is for security but nowhere in their terms they specify that the guest agent have to be installed to utilize their service.

    Due to this I have a hard time to recommend their services, even if the price is good.

    Oh Wow, that's a severe trust issue.
    Though if a host really wants to get into your server, they can always use single user mode to do that.

    Thanked by 1Sululu
  • AXYZEAXYZE Member

    @Prime404 said:
    Just a fair warning to those that use Webtropia, but if you remove the QEMU Guest Agent or install another OS they will threaten to suspend the services:

    during a routine check of our host systems we noticed that they do not have the QEMU Guest Agent service running or installed.
    As a result, they cannot change or set SSH keys or passwords.
    However, we need the access to be able to change and add IPs.
    For this reason it is important and mandatory that you have the service installed.
    You can easily install this service later.
    The ISO with the required files is located in a virtual CD-Rom drive on your server. There you execute the file "./install".
    After that the installation will start.
    
    Please let us know when you have installed the tool so we can check if the connection works.
    
    If you do not install the Guest Tools, we have to block your server, because this limits the functional security.
    Please also note our terms and conditions: https://agb.myloc.de/?L=1 §9.4"
    

    With this guest agent they can make any changes to the guest OS, such as adding new users and changing passwords without the approval of the customer. They claim it is for security but nowhere in their terms they specify that the guest agent have to be installed to utilize their service.

    Due to this I have a hard time to recommend their services, even if the price is good.

    Haha

    Balooning doesnt work without qemu-guest-agent (at least in proxmox) so this "blahblah security" is "we want to oversell servers" in reality.

    Sad that they waste their time to threathen one customer - seems like they oversell very hard and they need to send such mail.

  • RapToNRapToN Member, Host Rep

    @AXYZE said:

    @Prime404 said:
    Just a fair warning to those that use Webtropia, but if you remove the QEMU Guest Agent or install another OS they will threaten to suspend the services:

    during a routine check of our host systems we noticed that they do not have the QEMU Guest Agent service running or installed.
    As a result, they cannot change or set SSH keys or passwords.
    However, we need the access to be able to change and add IPs.
    For this reason it is important and mandatory that you have the service installed.
    You can easily install this service later.
    The ISO with the required files is located in a virtual CD-Rom drive on your server. There you execute the file "./install".
    After that the installation will start.
    
    Please let us know when you have installed the tool so we can check if the connection works.
    
    If you do not install the Guest Tools, we have to block your server, because this limits the functional security.
    Please also note our terms and conditions: https://agb.myloc.de/?L=1 §9.4"
    

    With this guest agent they can make any changes to the guest OS, such as adding new users and changing passwords without the approval of the customer. They claim it is for security but nowhere in their terms they specify that the guest agent have to be installed to utilize their service.

    Due to this I have a hard time to recommend their services, even if the price is good.

    Haha

    Balooning doesnt work without qemu-guest-agent (at least in proxmox) so this "blahblah security" is "we want to oversell servers" in reality.

    Sad that they waste their time to threathen one customer - seems like they oversell very hard and they need to send such mail.

    What the fuck?
    They FORCE you to use the qemu guest agent?!
    Not even Microsoft azure is that strict and that's saying something.

    Personally, I also think it's more of a security risk (from the customer's point of view) to have a guest agent installed, and I wouldn't have thought there were any vendors that enforced that.

    Am I the only one who considers this an absolute nogo? I would be interested to know how others see it.

  • @RapToN said:

    @AXYZE said:

    @Prime404 said:
    Just a fair warning to those that use Webtropia, but if you remove the QEMU Guest Agent or install another OS they will threaten to suspend the services:

    during a routine check of our host systems we noticed that they do not have the QEMU Guest Agent service running or installed.
    As a result, they cannot change or set SSH keys or passwords.
    However, we need the access to be able to change and add IPs.
    For this reason it is important and mandatory that you have the service installed.
    You can easily install this service later.
    The ISO with the required files is located in a virtual CD-Rom drive on your server. There you execute the file "./install".
    After that the installation will start.
    
    Please let us know when you have installed the tool so we can check if the connection works.
    
    If you do not install the Guest Tools, we have to block your server, because this limits the functional security.
    Please also note our terms and conditions: https://agb.myloc.de/?L=1 §9.4"
    

    With this guest agent they can make any changes to the guest OS, such as adding new users and changing passwords without the approval of the customer. They claim it is for security but nowhere in their terms they specify that the guest agent have to be installed to utilize their service.

    Due to this I have a hard time to recommend their services, even if the price is good.

    Haha

    Balooning doesnt work without qemu-guest-agent (at least in proxmox) so this "blahblah security" is "we want to oversell servers" in reality.

    Sad that they waste their time to threathen one customer - seems like they oversell very hard and they need to send such mail.

    What the fuck?
    They FORCE you to use the qemu guest agent?!
    Not even Microsoft azure is that strict and that's saying something.

    Personally, I also think it's more of a security risk (from the customer's point of view) to have a guest agent installed, and I wouldn't have thought there were any vendors that enforced that.

    Am I the only one who considers this an absolute nogo? I would be interested to know how others see it.

    No, you're not the only one @RapToN. ;)

    The very first thing I do when I obtain a new VPS is purge all those qemu-guest-agent, cloud-init stuff and whatnot... I'm in for the infrastructure, not hand holding. And with properly configured rescue system and VNC console, there's nothing you can't do yourself.

    I'm yet to see a provider who insists on running THEIR software on MY VPS. And it IS mine, as long as I'm paying for the service. :)

    I suppose, based on the info above, that I never need to apply for Webtropia service (not that I ever intended to). They can freely spawn dozens of VPS and run qemu-guest-agents on them 24/7, I wouldn't want to spoil the fun for them. :D

    Thanked by 1khalequzzaman
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