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Looks like they are also offline
https://check-host.net/check-report/10a69ca7k631
Well, for spammers network is good until it's all in spamhaus. And after that they just move on. Not very viable business to catter spammers...
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That wouldn't help anyone immediately. The DC have paperwork that said the host they have a contract with owns the hardware, so at best the end user will get theirs back after a session of this-word-against-that between relevant lawyers.
While it is bad that their customers are essentially footing the bill for their fraud, or badly filed paperwork if we are being generous with the benefit of doubt, is it any better that their suppliers (the DC in this case) end up doing the same?
I was once in a similar situation (provider going under, DC shutting everything off due to non-payment) though I wasn't colo just renting. The DC actually went beyond any contact and helped end users who asked nicely by temporarily powering on machines so that they could pull data off (I had backups of my stuff but not necessarily end-user data because I charged a few pennies extra for handing off-site backups for them and most chose not to pay that). This might be a good way for the DC to show they aren't arseholes (at least not complete ones) by letting people draw off data instead of waiting for a protracted argument about the hardware to complete. Of course that wouldn't be needed by those who have decent DR plans in place anyway…
Spry had their own network so they couldn't even just power on colocated servers. Otherwise it's a fine gesture. But helping third parties configure software on the servers or helping them access a KVM enters into much different territory in regards to privacy.
Granted probably irrelevant anyway. They probably had one colo customer.
Huge reservation that I'm very tired, but I can't see how Evocative would have any right to hold the hardware? What in this story would ever have given them ownership? The actual owners had no contract nor contact with Evocative, right?
Sucks to see people lose their equipment. I am surprised their DC provider gave them much runway to rack up a lot of debt.
Well, probably DC thinks that collo'd hardware is owned by Spry. So, any sane company just won't start discussion with third parties about servers.
What collo customers should do - sue the hell out of Spry and demand hardware back + damages. But, probably Spry's owner fled back to Bangalore or Punjabi and GL/GG.
I'm no lawyer, but when you stop paying for a storage unit the owners of the facility put a lock on the door and auction off the contents. Not the same situation of course, but that's a scenario where you store your belongings with a company and then they have every right to keep and sell it to pay for your debt, and from that you might begin to at least see a path to not releasing someone's property when it's stored on your property and the people who leased the space are unable to pay their bill. Again not to say it's the same situation, I'm focusing on what is similar about it to get to an idea.
And from the perspective of the facility owners, that property all belongs to the party they had a contract with, they have no knowledge of anyone else. It would be extremely irresponsible for them to just let anyone come in and claim ownership of it based on their word, so moving forward can be very difficult.
This is exactly what's going to happen. Even if you make Evocative aware that you own it, it doesn't matter to them. They are holding it as collateral to recover their losses and will continue to do as such until their debt is recovered.
It's also important to note that Evocative has zero way to be able to prove ownership since the affected colocation parties aren't direct Evocative clients. So even if you did spam them to get your hardware back and they were willing to help, it's proving pointless without being able to definitively prove ownership. If they can't definitively prove ownership and someone social engineers them into releasing hardware wrongfully, they now have a huge legal liability. 100% not worth the risk even if they wanted to "be the nice guy".
Best these people can do is provide invoices/tracking/proof and take it to the Sheriff.
Francisco
Yeah, I know as little as anyone else when it comes to US laws, no clue really
Just find it weird, seems like, according to the story, there was fradulent contracts going on between Spry and the DC
I'd honestly be suprised though if any amount of fraud between Spry and the DC could somehow make Spry give away stuff they don't own
That'd be a huge loophole
In this scenario, I'm talking about those that can in-fact prove that they own the hardware, rest is much harder, for said reasons
But if ownership can be proved and the DC still holds the servers, I don't see how that's not theft
The guy's name was "Tab". This should have been foreseen.
That's generally how I've understood these situations as well. This question came up while talking with one of our DC reps recently (about a third party) and they basically said:
"We don't really know who owns what server, so a customer can colo for third parties and it doesn't matter to us--but we operate under the assumption everything in their racks is their hardware."
I assume if you take a copy of your colocation agreement with Spry (I hope there is one), a copy of your invoices from purchasing/shipping said gear, ideally any serial numbers you have (even from running an inventory/IPMI panel), and approach local Sheriff to get the ball officially rolling you might have a shot. My guess is that the DC is not likely in the practice of stealing hardware, but they need to have 0 liability for giving it back. A police report of stolen hardware should do that. Otherwise, they will likely assume it was all Spry owned hardware and recoup for unpaid bills.
I suppose if it's tens of thousands worth of hardware, get a lawyer too. I'm assuming it's not, but you don't want to just give your hardware away.
the most I'd ever do is colo with the DC and get a cross connect if I want someone's network really badly for whatever reason. Huge corps are a little different, I'd colo with Datapacket just due to their size. I can't imagine shipping hardware to any host that posts on LET/LES though, that's asking to get robbed.
Or you pick @qps. Everyone forgets the quiet hero in the corner 🤣♥️
Tab is the Danish word for loss.
Just got this email
Too premium for LET, they shouldn't be posting here to begin with (not that the deals aren't appreciated)
Jeff's so premium that his service is boring. Everything works, he pays his DC bills on time, and the only downtime I've had in years was when QPS switched DCs with plenty of heads up and stuck to their timeline. 🥱
*Do note that I am extremely biased because he named a server config after me.
Huh, that's a real "Deus ex machina" situation happening in real life for someone.
Just run away and never look back. Dude just openly stated that collo'd hardware is your own problem and tried to fled. Probably will sell customer base to radnetworks...
The dude listed like 5 Evocative staff email addresses, COO, VP, etc. and their Legal Department.
That's like saying "reach out to any of these guys, they don't care who, and I certainly don't care who, to query about the recovery process of your hardware/server".
I wonder if Evocative will provide any information firsthand about this, because typically, for cases like these, there would (or should) be a SPOC.
literally. no drama at all ever, we should ban them from posting. isn't LET just a drama board anyways? what are they even doing here?
Imagine having one of your DC's go down from a fire, and then you walk in on this shit the next monday.
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