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Someone is trying to blame Incognet, Vsys, AIexhost

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  • m4num4nu Member, Patron Provider

    @SillyGoose said:
    "Our company revenue is in millions" looks like a you problem.

    The guy messaging and writing the LinkedIn post isn't even a lawyer, but did influencer marketing before. Also no kind of education on his LinkedIn. I do hope they have a least a lawyer in their team or on call.

  • AltesAltes Member

    @MannDude said: But saying you're reporting something on behalf of a client (singular) then send thousands of URLs that are obviously scraped and containing content from many other users is dishonest. At that point I just feel like their 'client' is a competitor to a customer's site and just trying to cause them harm.

    Shitty, but that's how the law works. The customer should file a counter notice (they won't, though), and should there be no response whatsoever, the content goes back online. But during the dispute, it stays offline.

  • _MS__MS_ Member
    edited July 2023

    @MannDude said:

    "Our company's revenue is in the millions"

    You should tell him that at LET you hang out with friends who lose billions with just a few minutes of downtime. Millions are nothing.

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    MS said:

    @MannDude said:

    "Our company's revenue is in the millions"

    You should tell him that at LET you hang out with friends who lose billions with just a few minutes of downtime. Millions are nothing.

    Billions? That's chump change. A 5 second outage of IncogNET would take months or years for the global economy to recover. /s

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    The way he communicates in the Discord chat could basically be used as an example as to the meaning of ”small dick energy”

    Thanked by 1fatchan
  • risharderisharde Host Rep, Veteran

    @jar said:
    During my training at HostGator I really liked a point my mentor made to me. I can't quote him word for word but I'd paraphrase it: "If you see a user hosting copyrighted content, you don't know what licenses they have or don't have, and it's not your job to ask them to prove that they have the rights to it. You're an admin, not a lawyer."

    I carry that lesson with me today. I'm an admin. I'm not a lawyer. I assess the threat to myself as necessary, I do not proactively police a customer. I only react if they make their presence known in a way that threatens me.

    Never used hostgator for copyright content. I have however been a customer and I was impressed by their service. Reason I don't use them is I have more control on my vps/bare metals. Their email delivery was pretty good as well.

    Thanked by 1jar
  • Please someone send this to the Linkedin post, I don't have an account there

  • pacopaco Member

    @fatchan said:
    This Tomasz guys job looks like sending automated DMCAs to porn sites spreading leaked onlyfans whores content. At some point he probably came against a site hosted by alexhost and was frustrated that they didn't immediately capitulate.

    At what point did "What you put on the internet stays on the internet" turn into "What you put on the internet can be taken off, you just have to hire a DMCA firm!"...

    I say good on Alexhost. And I really liked Alexandrus reply to Tomasz on Linkedin:

    We respect our country and its laws. The other countries have their own laws and we respect them as well... but at home we live according to our own laws! That is called "jurisdiction". Please research that.

    😆

    This guy's business model sounds really familiar, probably because someone on ProductHunt tried to shill their DMCA-notice-mill based in Europe and I wrote a god damn novella about what a terrible idea it is and the first person to know the law at all or have a friend who is a lawyer can bankrupt him and at least theoretically open him up to both civil and criminal liability in the US, because a DMCA notice has specific requirements, is considered a sworn statement, and by issuing it, it serves the function of effectively a legal demand letter, which can end with the cessation of the behavior... or a process server waiting at the airport the next time he arrives in the US for anything, if he's lucky. The notice literally puts the end user on notice that your intention is to initiate legal proceedings in the appropriate federal district court. It shouldn't be surprising if someone takes him up on the offer.

    Of course, the hilarious thing is that as a platform/service provider, the liability for a DMCA violation, which is a part of the Copyright Act, doesn't actually implicate you directly or some rando who doesn't have the copyright or a license and authorization to send such a notice out on behalf of the rightsholder. Never mind jurisdiction, there's not even standing AND he'd be suing the wrong party. Since part of the sworn statement involves affirmation that you either own the rights or are authorized explicitly to act as the agent/representative of the rightsholder (he can't initiate a private criminal proceeding since that process went out the window federally in the 70s and only a couple of states still allow that, but not under the DMCA, which is a federal statute), what appears boilerplate to someone in Europe may amount to more than just a 17 USC 512(f) cause of action that would render him broke, but also, may open liability from the actual rightsholder civilly and there's even the potential for criminal liability since prosecutors can come up with some wild ways to charge someone, except here that's not even necessary since perjury and attempted/conspiracy to commit wire fraud is basically what these DMCA mills do when operating without a lawyer licensed in the US while based overseas.

    Not legal advice or anything, since a threat is a threat is a threat and isn't a lawsuit and so all this is hypothetical, but remember that talk is cheap, but a federal civil judgment usually isn't, at all. Plus, the statute is written explicitly to create criminal liability in addition to the civil cause of action. Maybe sending some links to those county jail reality shows would be all you need to send the right message, it'll cost less than hiring a lawyer to write a sarcastic slap in the face in the form of a letter back.

    Thanked by 1hyperblast
  • Funny if this guy's job actually is to send automated DMCA mail, he should be happy with illegal content, because otherwise he wouldn't have a job...

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited July 2023

    @Calypso said:
    Funny if this guy's job actually is to send automated DMCA mail, he should be happy with illegal content, because otherwise he wouldn't have a job...

    And lawyers must love rapists

    And doctors must love driving accidents

    Thanked by 1sillycat
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