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Someone is trying to blame Incognet, Vsys, AIexhost
Looks like someone is having a "rage" against Incognet, vsys, alexhost.
They want them that hostings providers be a policeman and do all jobs of police, lawyers for them.
Should Incognet, vsys, alexhost react to this? They look crazy when they saw Privacy Hosting Providers...
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I wish those lawyers would better hunt on bulletproof hostings...
If anything they should rejoice. Free publicity around 4th of July when people would be looking for deals ?
“I see this as an absolute win”
the author (Tomasz Niemiec) is a nothing!
Funny man, calling incognet/vsys/alexhost large hosters while 99% of scanners/bruteforces and shit are run on google/amazon and this big ass shites
ps: alexhost CEO is in the comments, pretty funny guy.
this man just casually popped up in the incognet discord demanding that archive.ph be taken down some time ago
Not sure why he included us or who he is.
Name seems vaguely familiar as someone previously "persistent" in complaining but it's 6AM on a Sunday and I can't be bothered to look.
Lol. I took our Discord down because I'm rarely on it and it turned into a ticket status and unofficial DMCA complaint hub.
I love how it's written in German yet expects companies to deal with a local U.S. law. We actually need less raging barbarians that don't respect the justice system and go their own way
lol
No. Better;
Know nothing.
Be obstructive
Respond to no one
This rage Post is rather a Marketing Advertisement for leakshield then a rage itself in my eyes
This Guy is The managing Director of leakshield. And this time vsys, incognet and Alex are random victims
Absolutely. This guy advertises his business with name-calling. Such an idiot.
19 years old kid, want to be the good guy and earn money by this business idea.
I think we have bigger problems then DMCA / Warez.
Lol, great of AlexHost's CEO to respond to this
Edit: archived link including replies: https://archive.is/jqAEU
Congratulations, @MannDude on unlocking the "Big Host" status.
There should be no more trolling of AlexHost here just because of this.
Context is important. This person is expressing frustration about their chosen profession, and it makes perfect sense that they'd be mad about providers that they perceive are preventing them from doing the job that makes them money. Just look at their website and it makes sense: https://leakshield.io
Any sense that it's about some kind of morality....meh. They're just trying to make money. But just like so many others, they want someone else to do their work for them. Sorry "leak shield" sometimes you have to actually do work
HostGator. IncogNET. Wix.
incognet premium
I’m sure you’d rather be benched than to be included in that line up
This Tomasz guys job looks like sending automated DMCAs to porn sites spreading leaked onlyfans whores content. At some point he probably came against a site hosted by alexhost and was frustrated that they didn't immediately capitulate.
At what point did "What you put on the internet stays on the internet" turn into "What you put on the internet can be taken off, you just have to hire a DMCA firm!"...
I say good on Alexhost. And I really liked Alexandrus reply to Tomasz on Linkedin:
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One of these firms once filed a police report against me personally in France for a website a client made. Still no idea on what site exactly and what offended them. Working for some big brand. Their strategy is to first pressure the host into sharing customer data without legal basis. Then pretend I made the site and file a random police report. Been going on for 5 years maybe. Someone must be billing good hours on the whole process.
I just feel like defending them a tad bit here, it wasn’t them doing this - right?
Because I don’t think doing the above is the absolute standard industry norm; I think many of these companies just pressure hosts to remove stuff, drop clients etc
So unless it was these guys doing the above, it may tell us nothing about how these guys actually operate, right?
@MannDude you're active on twit, get on linkedin and slam that guy with your savage replies!
This looks like the good ol' Keffals vs. CF case, where Keffals basically forced CF to shut it down(and pressured many hosts, NO, I'M NOT DEFENDING KF.).
Kudos on your Big Host title @MannDude. I wish you more years of success.
Did he interact with you in any form of contact form/twit/live chat?
Yeah, different company, but similar pitch. Don't remember their name exactly. The leak guys above do mention the same strategy on their Linkedin post.
Basically, I think if something is clearly illegal or copyrighted, the client should be asked to remove it and then booted on non compliance.
Sharing user details is more tricky. I'd only do this with a court order from the company's country.
Even more tricky is free speech. Say someone writes "XYZ is so stupid" on his blog. What to do then?
To be fair it’s not the same thing
These guys actually put pressure on hosts, they use well formulated strategies and lawyers
Keffals basically tweeted at Voxility with pls remove I’m hurt and they said yes of course
I don’t even think you could say that Voxility fell for pressure, they fell for a quick nudge
Not to get into Kiwi here as well, I personally think LET should just ban that word and be done with it forever, but there’s a technical difference here since these guys are likely capable of more pressuing than a tweet storm from them and their following
Link to that post please.
I’d like to see how they phrase ”we’ll pretend that the host created the site and file a police report in bad faith”
Well, "we are talking about hundreds of thousands of euros in damages, which we will sue to the bitter end." isn't too far off.
LinkedIn just doesn't seem appealing to me. Seems like it's mostly self-congratulatory fluff.
In our case he started name-dropping and making threats off the bat:
Starts his direct contact with us mentioning Meike Kamp ( https://www.dataguidance.com/news/berlin house-representatives-elects new commissioner )
Followed by, "If the content remains online on your servers, I don't think this will end well. Our company's revenue is in the millions, so you can imagine the potential damages you could be facing."
Then doesn't respond to my follow ups.
Here's the thing. We're a pro-privacy and pro-speech host first and foremost. We don't advertise as bulletproof or anything like that. We did recently do a crackdown on DMCA related content in NL which impacted maybe a dozen folks, if that, just as a precautionary thing as the landscape is changing in the Netherlands and we want to continue our professional relationship with our datacenter there. Our TOS was also recently updated so that our DMCA rules in NL match that of the US. That doesn't impact our bottom line so it's no big deal.
With that said, anyone can say they're anyone and operating under any made up authority and just spamming an abuse inbox with emails that aren't in the native language of the recipient about servers or IPs that may or may not be hosting the content in question isn't particularly effective.
There is an argument that could be made that supporting privacy means we should also extend that to 3rd parties and be more strict when claims are made that a client of ours may be violating the privacy of a 3rd party. That's a logic I could wrap my head around more and something I'd be more likely to entertain as a valid request. But saying you're reporting something on behalf of a client (singular) then send thousands of URLs that are obviously scraped and containing content from many other users is dishonest. At that point I just feel like their 'client' is a competitor to a customer's site and just trying to cause them harm.
In your screenshot, his last message: first threatening your company and then ending with a thank you and some stupid smile face 🤮.
"Our company revenue is in millions" looks like a you problem.
During my training at HostGator I really liked a point my mentor made to me. I can't quote him word for word but I'd paraphrase it: "If you see a user hosting copyrighted content, you don't know what licenses they have or don't have, and it's not your job to ask them to prove that they have the rights to it. You're an admin, not a lawyer."
I carry that lesson with me today. I'm an admin. I'm not a lawyer. I assess the threat to myself as necessary, I do not proactively police a customer. I only react if they make their presence known in a way that threatens me.