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How you trust small comapnies?

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @jar said:

    @SirFoxy said:
    we live in a society

    You might. I live between a swarm of flies and mosquitoes.

    Time to leave the outhouse?

    Thanked by 1jar
  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @emgh said:

    @jar said:

    @SirFoxy said:
    we live in a society

    You might. I live between a swarm of flies and mosquitoes.

    Time to leave the outhouse?

    It's just such a convenient place to eat taco bell.

    Thanked by 3emgh CheepCluck FrankZ
  • I prefer them, support on large company is slow.

    Thanked by 2jar ariq01
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @sayurlodeh said:
    I prefer them, support on large company is slow.

    and on a lot of smaller companies support is slow as well

    and on a lot of large companies support is fast

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited June 2023

    @sayurlodeh said:
    I prefer them, support on large company is slow.

    This is a tough one. Successfully scaling support as a hosting provider is like a mythical creature. I keep chasing it, I just keep learning why no one seems to pull it off. Market expectations on price don't allow it because people will just go to the provider with no support to save money, then complain about their choice later. People seem to prefer even that to paying for a well scaled support team.

    Personally I want to scale it while being competitive, it sounds so easy until you're faced with it lol 😂

    Thanked by 3emgh FrankZ ariq01
  • @emgh said:

    @sayurlodeh said:
    I prefer them, support on large company is slow.

    and on a lot of smaller companies support is slow as well

    and on a lot of large companies support is fast

    Your signature killed me.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited June 2023

    @jar said:

    @sayurlodeh said:
    I prefer them, support on large company is slow.

    This is a tough one. Successfully scaling support as a hosting provider is like a mythical creature. I keep chasing it, I just keep learning why no one seems to pull it off. Market expectations on price don't allow it because people will just go to the provider with no support to save money, then complain about their choice later. People seem to prefer even that to paying for a well scaled support team.

    Personally I want to scale it while being competitive, it sounds so easy until you're faced with it lol 😂

    I think it's because most hosts starting with just 1 guy doing it all don't really realise the cost of people (until the cost is needed)

    It's not as apparent as the bills you actually pay

    Thanked by 1jar
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @emgh said:

    @jar said:

    @sayurlodeh said:
    I prefer them, support on large company is slow.

    This is a tough one. Successfully scaling support as a hosting provider is like a mythical creature. I keep chasing it, I just keep learning why no one seems to pull it off. Market expectations on price don't allow it because people will just go to the provider with no support to save money, then complain about their choice later. People seem to prefer even that to paying for a well scaled support team.

    Personally I want to scale it while being competitive, it sounds so easy until you're faced with it lol 😂

    I think it's because most hosts starting with just 1 guy doing it all don't really realise the cost of people (until the cost is needed)

    It's not as apparent as the bills you actually pay

    Indeed. It's easier if you're running a SaaS product or a a targeted hosting like a specifically WordPress host. The generic web host or VPS provider, I'm pretty sure scaling it inexpensively at high quality is a pipe dream.

    Though, I'll say, email is right up there with the latter despite fitting the description of the former.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • @emgh said:

    @jar said:

    @SirFoxy said:
    we live in a society

    You might. I live between a swarm of flies and mosquitoes.

    Time to leave the outhouse?

    @emgh said:

    @jar said:

    @sayurlodeh said:
    I prefer them, support on large company is slow.

    This is a tough one. Successfully scaling support as a hosting provider is like a mythical creature. I keep chasing it, I just keep learning why no one seems to pull it off. Market expectations on price don't allow it because people will just go to the provider with no support to save money, then complain about their choice later. People seem to prefer even that to paying for a well scaled support team.

    Personally I want to scale it while being competitive, it sounds so easy until you're faced with it lol 😂

    I think it's because most hosts starting with just 1 guy doing it all don't really realise the cost of people (until the cost is needed)

    It's not as apparent as the bills you actually pay

    They don't realize the cost of commoditization. They don't have real USP's, just raw resources. Hard to differentiate and charge a premium for it.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @SirFoxy said:

    @emgh said:

    @jar said:

    @SirFoxy said:
    we live in a society

    You might. I live between a swarm of flies and mosquitoes.

    Time to leave the outhouse?

    @emgh said:

    @jar said:

    @sayurlodeh said:
    I prefer them, support on large company is slow.

    This is a tough one. Successfully scaling support as a hosting provider is like a mythical creature. I keep chasing it, I just keep learning why no one seems to pull it off. Market expectations on price don't allow it because people will just go to the provider with no support to save money, then complain about their choice later. People seem to prefer even that to paying for a well scaled support team.

    Personally I want to scale it while being competitive, it sounds so easy until you're faced with it lol 😂

    I think it's because most hosts starting with just 1 guy doing it all don't really realise the cost of people (until the cost is needed)

    It's not as apparent as the bills you actually pay

    They don't realize the cost of commoditization. They don't have real USP's, just raw resources. Hard to differentiate and charge a premium for it.

    Having ”selling compute resources” as a business idea is extremely tough

    Very very hard to offer anything unique

    Especially in the lowend market where you get a server and a panel - what more is there?

    I though about this recently and first off I was like hmm but Hetzner clearly offers a lot of value, what do they do differently?

    Then it hit me, they’re new. They have the best optimized hardware there is, as time goes on, their hardware won’t be as powerful as it is now (it’s already not as impressive as it was when they launched) - and can they replace their whole stack om every new gen at their pricing? No way

    The next one that does/starts fresh will get the attention

    And it’ll just repeat

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited June 2023

    Cut-throat market when your different because of price-performance

    If I were in Hetzner’s position, I’d hurry to offer loads of other value ASAP

    Managed databases etc

    Apple’s ”think different” is much more than a slogan, it’s creating something so unique that it’s literally resulting in a legal monopoly

    And that’s kind of the exact opposite of what I described above, and no cloud provider will reach the same level of actual ”unique value”, but striving to at least not just offer ”compute” is mandatory

    Thanked by 1SirFoxy
  • ShakibShakib Member, Patron Provider

    There is always the middle ground.

    Thanked by 1ariq01
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