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That's simply not true. I left a major cloud provider because employees went searching for customers they disagreed with, leaked their existence to activist organizations, and then cried in company meetings until everyone caved and forced the customers off the platform. This was all based on radical left ideology. It matters, it isn't business sound.
holy fucking shit
care to disclose what provider was that?
also now, you should understand the importance of encrypting your colo'd servers as I suggested some time ago.
Well, I can tell you it's not QuickPacket lol.
(I don't think Jarland will specify the provider.)
of course it was not QuickPacket, but he should encrypt his servers anyways. who knows who is allowed close to his servers.
I suspect who was that(totally not OVH).
Its lawsuit worthy, and as EU company, they will additionally get fined shit ton of money.
“IYKYK”
Who knows? I know. That's all you need to know, and more than you get to know in any other situation 💜
The cloud provider isn't hard to guess but I'm not giving any SEO to it. I have enough documentation of the event they wouldn't want to give me any trouble, but I still respect the hell out of the founders.
mate, they went after your business, they went after your customers, they have broken the law.
founders wont care if you sue their company, they will most certainly understand your position on it.
also not sure how breach responsibility laws work in US, but in EU you are forced to disclose something like that to affected customers and contact authorities.
Different relationship. I left as in employment. I was hired by QuickPacket afterwards, as I asked Jeff to help me leave. He did. What a guy.
In the US you get sued into oblivion until you shut up 9/10 times.
i have no idea what is your relationship with who, all I can say is that was insane.
if i were in your place, i'd made sure to sue these employees to shit.
They all signed their name on a document that I kept. So long as they never cause me trouble that and the rest of my information goes with me to my grave. In turn, I demand the right to occasionally make an off hand comment like I did here today about what happened. I just won't make it a bigger deal than that. Nearly every big tech company was doing this stuff, it's not unique. But when culture shifts, it's damaging stuff.
That's very sad, and I agree that any radical (left or right) is going to search for their opposites on their platforms, and you always run the risk of being deplatformed by people of opposing ideologies (although arguably true First Amendment people are more tolerant to wider ranges of content). Again, that's very sad, but it's reality, human nature and the natural bias that people have, but to be clear, I did specify open source zero-knowledge end-to-end encrypted in what I said. They can't go searching for your content if they can't read what's in your account.
I also specifically asked if there was an open source zero-knowledge end-to-end encrypted email platform in a half-decent jurisdiction that is NOT run by radical lefties?
And the answer is, there isn't.
So people who don't want to use services that are run by "radical lefties" have virtually no options without some degree of compromise.
So what can someone who cares about this do realistically?
If you have another option, let me know. But until there is a true alternative economy and ecosystem, plus very strong privacy laws, we're basically all screwed.
its not possible. its literally not possible to achieve.
email was never designed to be private or secure, it was supposed to work - and that's it.
for example proton which claims "end to end" encryption can be holzed by simply compromising relays, which receive PLAINTEXT email's and they can do whatever the fuck they want with them. they may tell you they encrypt them and do not keep copies, but in reality, you don't know it.
I can't find any right wingers who do the same as a riseup, lol
I find cheap email hosting because i'm broke
hehe
Im agree with you
I dont care with left wing or right wing lol
) my focus is not there
Thank you for your suggestions, Sir
I get your position, it's a common position to take. I respect it. But I disagree.
BUT here's where I disagree, and you and I can go on disagreeing forever on this, and it's okay, I still respect you. But I think we'll agree more than disagree.
Let me back up to the argumentative position of "absolutes" first so you can hopefully understand the context of my statements on this issue in this forum, and like I said, I think we may agree more than disagree.
If we look at everything in absolutes, for example, that something either IS or ISN'T, something is either TRUE or FALSE, BLACK OR WHITE, or there's just a binary ONE or ZERO, then you are 100% correct to say that it is IMPOSSIBLE to 100% know with absolute certainty if someone doesn't have access to your encrypted content. So that's where we can agree. So we start on the same page when we look at it from a position of absolutes.
However, my position on this issue is a based on real-world degrees of certainty. Because in practice, nothing is black and white binary in the real world. In order for someone to gain access to your content, you have to ask how hard is it for them to accomplish that? The more barriers you erect to protect your content (and your connection to that content) increases the difficulty to access your protected content, and therefore increases your certainty of privacy.
So if we were to sit down and write out ALL the most effective barriers to increase the protection of your content, it would be a very long list. Some steps are more important than others. You add them all up, do them correctly, in the right order, and verifiably, and you can increase certainty that your content is safe. But yes, you are correct, that you cannot ever achieve that absolute state of 100% certainty.
So the real questions that any really smart person who wants to achieve a high degree of privacy and security has to ask starts with "how private and secure do I really need to get and who/what am I protecting my content from?" -- in other words, you have to start a risk assessment, as I'm sure you know.
So in this forum, I'm not going to dive deep into risk assessments in a thread like this, so we have to get out of "absolutes" in our conversations here or we'll just butt heads all day long. And IMO that's way outside the scope of this thread, but suffice it to say that to get to 99.9% certainty of privacy is a LOT of work... much, much more work than even getting to 99.5% certainty. Those last little fractions of a percent are very difficult to achieve. But yes, you're right, there is not 100% certainty. But come on, this is LET. Not an OPSEC forum. Let's be real. This is a forum where the number one recommended email service is @jar's MXRoute -- no offense intended -- and in fact I highly recommend @jar to people and think his product is excellent... but it's not going to be showing up on an OPSEC list.
But let's say you are a LET user who wants to increase the certainty level of protecting your communications, well it starts with open source zero-knowledge end-to-end encrypted in a half-decent jurisdiction -- that will get you to a level of certainty that is pretty good, and definitely will make it very hard for some radical employee of a hosting provider to snoop in your content.
Anyway, I yield back the floor with respect and a salute, as I actually think we both probably agree on more than we disagree. Cheers to all.
EDIT: damn stupid typos
You articulated your argument very well here, all without hostility.
I agree @jlet88 is taking classy to legendary status.
Oh and by the way my comment about the left stuff was ONLY intended to address the concept of people making bad business decisions for politics, I haven't a single clue about Tutanota having any political affiliation, nor any reason to suspect there's a relevant problem to them on the topic. Just to be clear, my intent was not to say anything bad about anyone who could be viewed as a competitor. I don't even want business of anyone who seeks what they provide, I'd rather them get that business.
I do try to respect the folks here, and know there's a broad range of perspectives.
Some very annoying typos in my response though.
In all honesty, I enjoy conversations like this because I believe the underlying issues are very important. And @treesmokah is making a good point, commonly levied against services like Tutanota and Proton, etc.. And in the absolutist sense, he is correct. So when I come in this forum, I get it, and I respect the point, but the reality is that if any person really cares about this issue, they will know they have to do a risk assessment anyway, and that will lay out the many layers and gradations of privacy and security in all their many hues of gray.
I probably should have started with that.
But anyway, cheers to everyone. I don't want to derail anything. But I do like discussing big issues though.
We need a more decentralised internet where we don't all rely on same corporations. This is LET, so grab a cheap VPS and selfhost your email with some easy deployment like MailCow.
this is proof that my question - whether the thread starter values systems administered by left-wing radicals - is justified.
that may be. however, it seemed that you value using a service that is run by left-wing radicals. if that's not the case, fine. it's best to use a secure service.
If reseller stops .. will customers be informed before or did they first see it, if the service is dead?
recurring?
@gbzret4d
could be bigitalbocean
ovh or do
most likely do, as Jar mentioned he worked for the provider and he didn't work for ovh, he only used their cloud.
i would expect it from DO tbh.