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TOR Relay/Bridge

SirNeoSirNeo Member
edited March 2023 in Requests

Hello,

I want to update a bit the list of Good/Bad ISPs from here here

If you are representing and ISP and allow hosting of TOR Relay/Bridge or even Exit note please post here.

Also if you have/had TOR replay on some providers you can post here and i will try to update that list.

I allready know some of you @alexhost @MannDude @xTom are allowing this but i am curious if there are also other LET that allow it.

Thanks!

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  • treesmokahtreesmokah Member
    edited March 2023

    https://keff.org/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://cockbox.org/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://privatealps.net/ (privatelayer partner) (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://vsys.host/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://hosteam.pl/ (Relay, Exit)
    https://koddos.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://mevspace.com (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://hostiko.com.ua/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://hostslick.com/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://nicevps.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://svea.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://rdp.sh/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://liteserver.nl/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://crunchbits.com/ (Relay, Exit?, Crypto)
    https://swedendedicated.com/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://spectraip.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://hostslim.nl/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://www.sprintdatacenter.pl/ (Relay, Exit)
    https://lolekhosted.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://www.artnet.pl/ (Relay, Exit)
    https://fastpipe.io/ (Relay, Crypto)
    https://terrahost.com/ (Relay, Exit only on dedis, Crypto)

    just a few of em, random order

  • CalinCalin Member, Patron Provider

    Hello @SirNeo https://ihostart.com allowed TOR Relay / TOR Exit on all type of services

    Regards,
    Calin

    Thanked by 1SirNeo
  • HostSlickHostSlick Member, Patron Provider
    edited March 2023

    @treesmokah said:
    https://keff.org/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://cockbox.org/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://privatealps.net/ (privatelayer partner) (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://vsys.host/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://hosteam.pl/ (Relay, Exit)
    https://koddos.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://mevspace.com (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://hostiko.com.ua/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://hostslick.com/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://nicevps.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://svea.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://rdp.sh/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://liteserver.nl/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://crunchbits.com/ (Relay, Exit?, Crypto)
    https://swedendedicated.com/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://spectraip.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://hostslim.nl/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://www.sprintdatacenter.pl/ (Relay, Exit)
    https://lolekhosted.net/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)
    https://www.artnet.pl/ (Relay, Exit)
    https://fastpipe.io/ (Relay, Crypto)
    https://terrahost.com/ (Relay, Exit only on dedis, Crypto)

    just a few of em, random order

    Correct

    Our Upstream AS208046 allow it. So we do.
    https://nusenu.github.io/OrNetStats/w/as_number/AS208046

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2023

    As far as I know OVH allows too, on dedis. At least I couldnt find in the disallowed list
    BTW, the title is wrong. Bridge anyone can put, the exit is the issue.

  • bruh21bruh21 Member, Host Rep
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  • MannDudeMannDude Host Rep, Veteran

    If you're suggesting updates, it should be noted that we're AS210630, not AS206607 which was NexusBytes. Our NL servers originally announced on their network before we moved everything to our own AS.

    We also have a presence in the United States.

    Current Tor relays: https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/as:210630

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    I'm surprised that you don't have BuyVM on there also.
    And yes we allow TOR nodes.

    Thanked by 1SirNeo
  • treesmokahtreesmokah Member
    edited March 2023

    @DataIdeas-Josh said: I'm surprised that you don't have BuyVM on there also.

    BuyVM is already there.

    Also Tor does not recommend setting new nodes there, there is simply too many of them. Its a good thing BuyVM allows it, but we need to focus on decentralization and going with hosts that have very little nodes on em.

    You can see ISP's on Tor by number of bandwidth; https://yui.cat/misc/networks-by-bandwidth.html
    "PONYNET" is BuyVM/Frantech.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2023

    @treesmokah said: but we need to focus on decentralization and going with hosts that have very little nodes on em

    Relays can be anywhere, it is more tricky with exits and bridges, this is why I am running bridges at home, perfect conditions, fat pipe, IPv6, changing IPv4 (once a week or so) and sometimes exits. My record is sustained 4 MB/s for a week or so with 300+ connections until Turkmenistan found my bridge :P

  • treesmokahtreesmokah Member
    edited March 2023

    @Maounique said:

    @treesmokah said: but we need to focus on decentralization and going with hosts that have very little nodes on em

    Relays can be anywhere, it is more tricky with exits and bridges, this is why I am running bridges at home, perfect conditions, fat pipe, IPv6, changing IPv4 (once a week or so) and sometimes exits. My record is sustained 4 MB/s for a week or so with 300+ connections until Turkmenistan found my bridge :P

    I ran snowflake right after it came out for about a year, worked nicely.
    But I personally stopped supporting Tor recently, so I don't host any exits, relays(all of which were guards) and bridges.

    Don't want to contribute to a shitstand Tor is.

    I will switch to mainly operating Lokinet exit's and I2P outproxies.

  • alt_alt_ Member

    I am running TOR exit on Dedipath, they seem to accept it.

    Thanked by 2SirNeo let_rocks
  • @Maounique said:
    As far as I know OVH allows too, on dedis. At least I couldnt find in the disallowed list
    BTW, the title is wrong. Bridge anyone can put, the exit is the issue.

    Actually not. I have sent emails to lots of providers and some of them don't allow anything related to TOR (asked specifically if they allow Relay or Bridge and the answer was NO) Some of them even write in their AUP that they don't want any TOR related service.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2023

    @SirNeo said: asked specifically if they allow Relay or Bridge and the answer was NO

    While that is true, there can be no justification for not allowing a bridge and it is hard to detect anyway. Such ToS/AUPs are abusive in my view, like you are not allowed to host religious content, or whatever thing the company owner is opposed to.

    Personally I am running bridges without asking anywhere I feel like it, if they terminate my service, fine, but it is hard to find, by design, bridges are intended to be difficult to find for censors. Relays are listed and that is a different thing.

  • I am running each 2 bridges at VPSSlim/HostSlim, AlexHost and my own AS.

    @treesmokah said:
    https://hostslim.nl/ (Relay, Exit, Crypto)

    Are they really fine with TOR? I am just asking, as there no running relays in their AS?

  • @lorian said: Are they really fine with TOR? I am just asking, as there no running relays in their AS?

    I believe they are fine, Max from HS used em as an upstream for a long time and it was permitted.

  • It should not be against the rules not to share the tor bridge for private personal use!

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @qquccs said: It should not be against the rules not to share the tor bridge for private personal use!

    Can you keep it private?

  • @Maounique said:

    @qquccs said: It should not be against the rules not to share the tor bridge for private personal use!

    Can you keep it private?

    Yes by either setting "BridgeDistribution none" or "PublishServerDescriptor 0"

  • @Maounique said:

    @SirNeo said: asked specifically if they allow Relay or Bridge and the answer was NO

    While that is true, there can be no justification for not allowing a bridge and it is hard to detect anyway. Such ToS/AUPs are abusive in my view, like you are not allowed to host religious content, or whatever thing the company owner is opposed to.

    Of course there can be justification. You don't own the hardware. You're not the one handling any abuse requests. You're not the one handling the cyber attacks. All of that all requires time/money/investment.You're doing nothing more than paying to use someone else's stuff. Be thankful that there's a free market and people can do whatever they choose to do with their company instead of it being dictated to them.

    Personally I am running bridges without asking anywhere I feel like it, if they terminate my service, fine, but it is hard to find, by design, bridges are intended to be difficult to find for censors. Relays are listed and that is a different thing.

    You've got in your signature "I wish to preserve human and civil rights, free speech, freedom of the press and worship, rule of law, democracy, peace and prosperity, social mobility, etc."

    What about the right to dictate how your own, private business is being run? What about the business owner's right to free speech? (opposing views are still free speech) The rule of law...what about the business owner's set of "laws?" (ToS/AUP)

    Without order, there's chaos. Openly admitting you break ToS/AUP "for the greater good" is stupid. You don't have to "fight the man" - there's plenty of providers who allow bridges and plenty that don't allow TOR of any kind at all. Why be an ass and openly abuse someone's service when you can just as easily move to a TOR friendly provider?

    Just wait, we'll end up seeing the inevitable "My server was deleted without any notice!" thread pop up on LET and the person is going to say they have no clue why X provider killed their service. Then X provider is going to chime in, letting LET know that they were abusing their service, running TOR and after the 2nd or 3rd warning, they disabled the server and cancelled the account. Again, this is more of that time they have to invest keeping their brand clean because dishonest people who abuse their service are always the squeakiest wheel.

    Thanked by 1chihcherng
  • @Maounique said: While that is true, there can be no justification for not allowing a bridge and it is hard to detect anyway. Such ToS/AUPs are abusive in my view, like you are not allowed to host religious content, or whatever thing the company owner is opposed to.

    Due to past reports about Tor usage, maybe those providers don't want their services to be used to access child abuse images.

    Tor's most visited hidden sites host child abuse images
    Most traffic to sites hidden on the Tor network go to those dealing in images of child sexual abuse a study suggests.

  • For OVH, I know that PulseServers allows both relay and exits with reduced exit policy.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2023

    @Don_Keedic said: You're not the one handling any abuse requests.

    There are never abuse requests (what are those anyways?) from a bridge.

    @Don_Keedic said: You're not the one handling the cyber attacks.

    What cyber attacks?

    @Don_Keedic said: .You're doing nothing more than paying to use someone else's stuff.

    Of course, and I expect to be able to use it as I please for as long as I am causing no harm.

    @Don_Keedic said: a free market and people can do whatever they choose to do with their company instead of it being dictated to them.

    Exactly, so why would they dictate me when I am doing nothing illegal?

    @Don_Keedic said: What about the right to dictate how your own, private business is being run?

    I never asked anyone for their financial reports, their hiring policy or what are they doing with their profits.

    @Don_Keedic said: The rule of law...what about the business owner's set of "laws?" (ToS/AUP)

    For as long as that is justified, absolutely. I also agree to have my service terminated the moment they found me in breach of ToS/AUP as that is the correct reaction but, since a bridge would NEVER cause any issues and it is hard to detect even by dedicated censors by design, I never had such problems.

    @Don_Keedic said: Without order, there's chaos. Openly admitting you break ToS/AUP "for the greater good" is stupid. You don't have to "fight the man" - there's plenty of providers who allow bridges and plenty that don't allow TOR of any kind at all. Why be an ass and openly abuse someone's service when you can just as easily move to a TOR friendly provider?

    As noted, there is 0 abuse, so what is this rant about? You taking the moral high ground? Of course I am running exits and even relays in Tor-friendly environments, but a bridge is none of those.

    @Don_Keedic said: Just wait, we'll end up seeing the inevitable "My server was deleted without any notice!" thread pop up on LET and the person is going to say they have no clue why X provider killed their service. Then X provider is going to chime in, letting LET know that they were abusing their service, running TOR and after the 2nd or 3rd warning, they disabled the server and cancelled the account. Again, this is more of that time they have to invest keeping their brand clean because dishonest people who abuse their service are always the squeakiest wheel.

    Again, never had any problems because:
    1. A bridge is NEVER generating "abuse requests";
    2. It is not detectable unless you are specifically looking for one and even then...;
    3. I totally agree to have my service terminated without any warning even as I disagree with this kind of censorship.

    Thanked by 1MannDude
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2023

    @chihcherng said: Due to past reports about Tor usage, maybe those providers don't want their services to be used to access child abuse images.

    Tor's most visited hidden sites host child abuse images
    Most traffic to sites hidden on the Tor network go to those dealing in images of child sexual abuse a study suggests.

    Here we go again.
    Are you Chinese by any chance? No wonder those guys want to close the internet because it could be used for illegal activities (what is not illegal activity online in China? Even gaming for kids) and I am sure Xi would like Tor terminated as well as VPNs and any means of "circumventing the law".

  • @treesmokah said: Don't want to contribute to a shitstand Tor is.

    Why is Tor a shitstand? What happened?

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2023

    @inland said: Why is Tor a shitstand? What happened?

    Haters gonna hate...

    Even if Tor is getting banned, there are way more options and I am sure better ones would emerge to free the Internet from censorship. I am sure one say someone would invent a "Layer 8", a fully encrypted layer routed through a mesh of nodes all over the world with own storage and gateways to various services on the layer 7.

  • Hey @VPSSLIM

    @treesmokah said:

    @lorian said: Are they really fine with TOR? I am just asking, as there no running relays in their AS?

    I believe they are fine, Max from HS used em as an upstream for a long time and it was permitted.

    as I could not find anything in your Terms of Service, may I ask you directly: Are you fine with TOR relays (non-exit)?

  • VPSSLIMVPSSLIM Patron Provider, Veteran

    @lorian said:
    Hey @VPSSLIM

    @treesmokah said:

    @lorian said: Are they really fine with TOR? I am just asking, as there no running relays in their AS?

    I believe they are fine, Max from HS used em as an upstream for a long time and it was permitted.

    as I could not find anything in your Terms of Service, may I ask you directly: Are you fine with TOR relays (non-exit)?

    Hi! Yes we do allow it.

    Thanked by 1lorian
  • treesmokahtreesmokah Member
    edited March 2023

    @inland said:

    @treesmokah said: Don't want to contribute to a shitstand Tor is.

    Why is Tor a shitstand? What happened?

    Laughable management(https://nitter.pw/torproject/status/898256109789687808, seems like talking "bad" things about Jews is not permitted on tor - but they have absolutely no issues with CP and other degenerate shit on their network, maybe because they work with Israeli Intelligence Firm and even taken photos together - who knows).
    Critical infra been run by Israeli Intelligence Firm for years(and their CEO was a Tor board member).
    SJW's.

    Think about it what you'd like, I had interaction with Tor devs - and I'm done with this shit.
    I'm done with supporting US DoD Psyop machine.

  • MannDudeMannDude Host Rep, Veteran

    LOL at that Tweet @treesmokah

    Don't get me wrong, Tor has a lot of vile and horrible shit on it. So does the clearnet internet. Still a useful tool. Just find it funny that Tor decided to touch base and comment on that.

    Thanked by 2treesmokah kait
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