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[India] Foreign VPS, Domains, Cloud etc. to become more expensive 20% TCS starting July 1st 2023?

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  • TrKTrK Member

    @BingoBongo said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    None of my sites never got any issues because of Govt.

    And I have/had multiple websites since 2005/6 I think.

    So only he knows what content he host on his websites that govt of a large country want to block them.

    :lol: :lol:

    I never said about websites getting banned or what not, none of my websites ever got banned, My points were not related to banning but instead of some other aspects if you care to read them. If this reply wasn't intended for me then i guess i am jumping the gun here. And here i do like to quote something from you as well, "You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet" well being uneducated maybe much better atleast i could have stayed away from internet if i was one.

  • @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't compare the currency of our India with the EU and US, the per capita income is way lower, and an average wage earner is earning shills, Each country in "EU" have the VAT and in return they have some great laws to consolidate and justify their taxation while indian Taxation is a big headache, and i do mean the GST for businesses might be a great thing but for a consumer it's just outrageous. Latest Generation hardware cheaper with indian vendors then EU/US vendors? Idk but i want what you are smoking bro, what if i want to purchase something that's not in bulk amount? any reasonable pricing? now you will say there is import, transportation, tax, excise, vendor revenue, etc but bro in no way i can find something here than the EU/US, you can try i have lost my wraith prism cooler cable can you help me find it for cheaper? if yes then please do DM me. Now as for your last point the power prices, i don't know what power company charges what but "torrent" is no way cheaper than any other, have you imaginesa so called customer support associate in india earns around 15-20K month and the electricity charges for his 1BHK apartment will still cost him more than 2K(atleast with torrent) and without any air conditioning at that just a computer, TV, fans, fridge, lights, and other appliances.

    PS: I don't want to make this thread a political warfare in india but everything is just not same as a business believes it be.

    Yep! Completely agree with you on this.

    And also most of our Taxes eaten by politicians, babus and other govt workers (from a chaprasi to one in the big post)

    And the rest will paid for freebies

  • leapswitchleapswitch Patron Provider, Veteran

    @opiq said:

    @leapswitch said: Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    because with the same tax % they have one of the most sought out countries to live in, while India is....well....still India, even though it has one of the cheapest $/GB bandwidth costs (for end consumers)

    the point is not how much a country's GST is, but rather what they are doing with it (efficiency). and to answer your question, 18% is high considering the returns you get.

    As an Indian living in Spain, I would recommend actually living in Europe/USA for a couple of years before drawing conclusions on governance, cost of living, taxation etc.

  • @TrK said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    None of my sites never got any issues because of Govt.

    And I have/had multiple websites since 2005/6 I think.

    So only he knows what content he host on his websites that govt of a large country want to block them.

    :lol: :lol:

    I never said about websites getting banned or what not, none of my websites ever got banned, My points were not related to banning but instead of some other aspects if you care to read them. If this reply wasn't intended for me then i guess i am jumping the gun here. And here i do like to quote something from you as well, "You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet" well being uneducated maybe much better atleast i could have stayed away from internet if i was one.

    What!?? Where I comment on your post?
    I even never read your commen on this post.

    My comment was for varwww where he said because of got websites are baned and something like that..

  • TrKTrK Member

    @BingoBongo said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't compare the currency of our India with the EU and US, the per capita income is way lower, and an average wage earner is earning shills, Each country in "EU" have the VAT and in return they have some great laws to consolidate and justify their taxation while indian Taxation is a big headache, and i do mean the GST for businesses might be a great thing but for a consumer it's just outrageous. Latest Generation hardware cheaper with indian vendors then EU/US vendors? Idk but i want what you are smoking bro, what if i want to purchase something that's not in bulk amount? any reasonable pricing? now you will say there is import, transportation, tax, excise, vendor revenue, etc but bro in no way i can find something here than the EU/US, you can try i have lost my wraith prism cooler cable can you help me find it for cheaper? if yes then please do DM me. Now as for your last point the power prices, i don't know what power company charges what but "torrent" is no way cheaper than any other, have you imaginesa so called customer support associate in india earns around 15-20K month and the electricity charges for his 1BHK apartment will still cost him more than 2K(atleast with torrent) and without any air conditioning at that just a computer, TV, fans, fridge, lights, and other appliances.

    PS: I don't want to make this thread a political warfare in india but everything is just not same as a business believes it be.

    Yep! Completely agree with you on this.

    And also most of our Taxes eaten by politicians, babus and other govt workers (from a chaprasi to one in the big post)

    And the rest will paid for freebies

    I hate the freebie gang much more i hate the taxation system, And not to mention the bureaucrats who holds all important positions within our indian governing infrastructure, even if change the government in next election the bureaucrats will still remains the same and not to mention they are the most corrupted bunch of shit heads i have ever researched or heard about. I no longer think we can change it's in our blood if there is a proper way we still want a shortcut and we convince someone to be our bureaucrat helping with our shortcut and what not, then we play the blame game saying this government is corrupt or that was, but in reality we are the one who are corrupt.

  • TrKTrK Member

    @BingoBongo said:

    @TrK said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    None of my sites never got any issues because of Govt.

    And I have/had multiple websites since 2005/6 I think.

    So only he knows what content he host on his websites that govt of a large country want to block them.

    :lol: :lol:

    I never said about websites getting banned or what not, none of my websites ever got banned, My points were not related to banning but instead of some other aspects if you care to read them. If this reply wasn't intended for me then i guess i am jumping the gun here. And here i do like to quote something from you as well, "You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet" well being uneducated maybe much better atleast i could have stayed away from internet if i was one.

    What!?? Where I comment on your post?
    I even never read your commen on this post.

    My comment was for varwww where he said because of got websites are baned and something like that..

    Well it might be due the quote i received the notification, well shit happens all the time, and that wasn't an exception.

  • BingoBongoBingoBongo Barred
    edited March 2023

    @TrK said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't compare the currency of our India with the EU and US, the per capita income is way lower, and an average wage earner is earning shills, Each country in "EU" have the VAT and in return they have some great laws to consolidate and justify their taxation while indian Taxation is a big headache, and i do mean the GST for businesses might be a great thing but for a consumer it's just outrageous. Latest Generation hardware cheaper with indian vendors then EU/US vendors? Idk but i want what you are smoking bro, what if i want to purchase something that's not in bulk amount? any reasonable pricing? now you will say there is import, transportation, tax, excise, vendor revenue, etc but bro in no way i can find something here than the EU/US, you can try i have lost my wraith prism cooler cable can you help me find it for cheaper? if yes then please do DM me. Now as for your last point the power prices, i don't know what power company charges what but "torrent" is no way cheaper than any other, have you imaginesa so called customer support associate in india earns around 15-20K month and the electricity charges for his 1BHK apartment will still cost him more than 2K(atleast with torrent) and without any air conditioning at that just a computer, TV, fans, fridge, lights, and other appliances.

    PS: I don't want to make this thread a political warfare in india but everything is just not same as a business believes it be.

    Yep! Completely agree with you on this.

    And also most of our Taxes eaten by politicians, babus and other govt workers (from a chaprasi to one in the big post)

    And the rest will paid for freebies

    I hate the freebie gang much more i hate the taxation system, And not to mention the bureaucrats who holds all important positions within our indian governing infrastructure, even if change the government in next election the bureaucrats will still remains the same and not to mention they are the most corrupted bunch of shit heads i have ever researched or heard about. I no longer think we can change it's in our blood if there is a proper way we still want a shortcut and we convince someone to be our bureaucrat helping with our shortcut and what not, then we play the blame game saying this government is corrupt or that was, but in reality we are the one who are corrupt.

    Yep absolutely..

    But also govt has no business to do business..
    Whenever a govt open a company gives jobs, there will be corruption.

    When you can't terminate an employee, they will do more corruption. As they have no fear to get terminate neither they have to perform to stay in job.

    They knows very well that even if they can't perform no one have power to remove them

  • @TrK said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @TrK said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    None of my sites never got any issues because of Govt.

    And I have/had multiple websites since 2005/6 I think.

    So only he knows what content he host on his websites that govt of a large country want to block them.

    :lol: :lol:

    I never said about websites getting banned or what not, none of my websites ever got banned, My points were not related to banning but instead of some other aspects if you care to read them. If this reply wasn't intended for me then i guess i am jumping the gun here. And here i do like to quote something from you as well, "You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet" well being uneducated maybe much better atleast i could have stayed away from internet if i was one.

    What!?? Where I comment on your post?
    I even never read your commen on this post.

    My comment was for varwww where he said because of got websites are baned and something like that..

    Well it might be due the quote i received the notification, well shit happens all the time, and that wasn't an exception.

    No problem bro! Shit happens! :blush:

    Thanked by 1TrK
  • TrKTrK Member

    @BingoBongo said:

    @TrK said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't compare the currency of our India with the EU and US, the per capita income is way lower, and an average wage earner is earning shills, Each country in "EU" have the VAT and in return they have some great laws to consolidate and justify their taxation while indian Taxation is a big headache, and i do mean the GST for businesses might be a great thing but for a consumer it's just outrageous. Latest Generation hardware cheaper with indian vendors then EU/US vendors? Idk but i want what you are smoking bro, what if i want to purchase something that's not in bulk amount? any reasonable pricing? now you will say there is import, transportation, tax, excise, vendor revenue, etc but bro in no way i can find something here than the EU/US, you can try i have lost my wraith prism cooler cable can you help me find it for cheaper? if yes then please do DM me. Now as for your last point the power prices, i don't know what power company charges what but "torrent" is no way cheaper than any other, have you imaginesa so called customer support associate in india earns around 15-20K month and the electricity charges for his 1BHK apartment will still cost him more than 2K(atleast with torrent) and without any air conditioning at that just a computer, TV, fans, fridge, lights, and other appliances.

    PS: I don't want to make this thread a political warfare in india but everything is just not same as a business believes it be.

    Yep! Completely agree with you on this.

    And also most of our Taxes eaten by politicians, babus and other govt workers (from a chaprasi to one in the big post)

    And the rest will paid for freebies

    I hate the freebie gang much more i hate the taxation system, And not to mention the bureaucrats who holds all important positions within our indian governing infrastructure, even if change the government in next election the bureaucrats will still remains the same and not to mention they are the most corrupted bunch of shit heads i have ever researched or heard about. I no longer think we can change it's in our blood if there is a proper way we still want a shortcut and we convince someone to be our bureaucrat helping with our shortcut and what not, then we play the blame game saying this government is corrupt or that was, but in reality we are the one who are corrupt.

    Yep absolutely..

    But also govt has no business to do business..
    Whenever a govt open a company gives jobs, there will be corruption.

    When you can't terminate an employee, they will do more corruption. As they have no fear to get terminate neither they have to perform to stay in job.

    They knows very well that even if they can't perform no one have power to remove them

    Thus the cycle of corruptions keeps going, and i think it's due to we are relying on the prehistoric way to solve the problems when we could have done the same much more efficiently, There are ways to solve everything but unless those with responsibilities decide to solve them that way, for example have you ever tried booking several train tickets with irctc web? if yes then you might have faced the random logouts and payment failures. I have contacted them several times regarding that but every time i received 0 response then i just left it like that and started using third party agencies who do the bookings. There was once i reported the websites of water corporation of my city after it got hacked by some script kids(was around 2015 i guess) and can you believe what they did after that? They called me like 5 times collected my information like address and all and asked me same question at the end of our convo, "How do you know that? how can you say it was hacked?" i mean comeon anyone could have seen that if they were trying to reach the webpage, they started the fix after a day or two but the damage was done if the script kids have taken the db information and data nothing was shared on the incident. Well so far for my ranting. Will try to stick to the topic.

  • sreekanth850sreekanth850 Member
    edited March 2023

    @TrK said: You can't compare the currency of our India with the EU and US, the per capita income is way lower, and an average wage earner is earning shills, Each country in "EU" have the VAT and in return they have some great laws to consolidate and justify their taxation while indian Taxation is a big headache, and i do mean the GST for businesses might be a great thing but for a consumer it's just outrageous. Latest Generation hardware cheaper with indian vendors then EU/US vendors? Idk but i want what you are smoking bro, what if i want to purchase something that's not in bulk amount? any reasonable pricing? now you will say there is import, transportation, tax, excise, vendor revenue, etc but bro in no way i can find something here than the EU/US, you can try i have lost my wraith prism cooler cable can you help me find it for cheaper? if yes then please do DM me. Now as for your last point the power prices, i don't know what power company charges what but "torrent" is no way cheaper than any other, have you imaginesa so called customer support associate in india earns around 15-20K month and the electricity charges for his 1BHK apartment will still cost him more than 2K(atleast with torrent) and without any air conditioning at that just a computer, TV, fans, fridge, lights, and other appliances. As for IPv6 it's not all and most it's only the big ISPs generally having the category A license, or maybe some Category B license holders as well, but they can't represent the all ISPs in India.

    PS: I don't want to make this thread a political warfare in india but everything is just not same as a business believes it be.

    Problem lies in quality of service. Its not about the availability, because Internet is cheap now In india. But most of the providers have "chaltha hai" attitude Means (It will Run like that). And they dont care if your business is impacted. I'm from India but neeed to say that we have all mediocre solutions here.

  • TrKTrK Member
    edited March 2023

    @sreekanth850 said:

    @TrK said: You can't compare the currency of our India with the EU and US, the per capita income is way lower, and an average wage earner is earning shills, Each country in "EU" have the VAT and in return they have some great laws to consolidate and justify their taxation while indian Taxation is a big headache, and i do mean the GST for businesses might be a great thing but for a consumer it's just outrageous. Latest Generation hardware cheaper with indian vendors then EU/US vendors? Idk but i want what you are smoking bro, what if i want to purchase something that's not in bulk amount? any reasonable pricing? now you will say there is import, transportation, tax, excise, vendor revenue, etc but bro in no way i can find something here than the EU/US, you can try i have lost my wraith prism cooler cable can you help me find it for cheaper? if yes then please do DM me. Now as for your last point the power prices, i don't know what power company charges what but "torrent" is no way cheaper than any other, have you imaginesa so called customer support associate in india earns around 15-20K month and the electricity charges for his 1BHK apartment will still cost him more than 2K(atleast with torrent) and without any air conditioning at that just a computer, TV, fans, fridge, lights, and other appliances. As for IPv6 it's not all and most it's only the big ISPs generally having the category A license, or maybe some Category B license holders as well, but they can't represent the all ISPs in India.

    PS: I don't want to make this thread a political warfare in india but everything is just not same as a business believes it be.

    Problem lies in quality of service. Its not about the availability, because Internet is cheap now In india. But most of the providers have "chaltha hai" attitude Means (It will Run like that). And they dont care if your business is impacted. I'm from India but neeed to say that we have all mediocre solutions here.

    Not most of The Providers but most of the Indians, Btw does anyone knows about IFF RTI which was sent to NIXI after the .in domain policies? if no then read it you will certainly find it useful in many ways if you ever decide to go against the government. In simpler terms No one cares and certainly the government doesn't give a fuck about you and your questions, unless you are a very high profile person.

  • @TrK said: Not most of The Providers but most of the Indians, Btw does anyone knows about IFF RTI which was sent to NIXI after the .in domain policies? if no then read it you will certainly find it useful in many ways if you ever decide to go against the government. In simpler terms No one cares and certainly the government doesn't give a fuck about you and your questions, unless you are a very high profile person.

    Yes Thats also right thats the other part of the story. And we do have the weak consumer protection law also.

  • leapswitchleapswitch Patron Provider, Veteran

    @TrK said:

    You can't compare the currency of our India with the EU and US, the per capita income is way lower, and an average wage earner is earning shills, Each country in "EU" have the VAT and in return they have some great laws to consolidate and justify their taxation while indian Taxation is a big headache, and i do mean the GST for businesses might be a great thing but for a consumer it's just outrageous. Latest Generation hardware cheaper with indian vendors then EU/US vendors? Idk but i want what you are smoking bro, what if i want to purchase something that's not in bulk amount? any reasonable pricing? now you will say there is import, transportation, tax, excise, vendor revenue, etc but bro in no way i can find something here than the EU/US, you can try i have lost my wraith prism cooler cable can you help me find it for cheaper? if yes then please do DM me.

    Please re-read my post.

    • Latest generation servers are AVAILABLE in India. There is no need to go through the import process. I didn't say they were cheaper.
    • We provide AMD Epyc, Intel Gold Dedicated Servers cheaper than US/EU counterparts - lower rack and power price, higher bandwidth price. Yes, we do buy these in bulk.
    • I never mentioned specific consumer parts such as wraith prism cooler cable :smile:

    Now as for your last point the power prices, i don't know what power company charges what but "torrent" is no way cheaper than any other, have you imaginesa so called customer support associate in india earns around 15-20K month and the electricity charges for his 1BHK apartment will still cost him more than 2K(atleast with torrent) and without any air conditioning at that just a computer, TV, fans, fridge, lights, and other appliances.

    Said customer support associate has a 1BHK apartment in India whereas in many other developed countries they would be sharing with 2-3 others. Here's a good read on Rent vs Income in Barcelona, Spain (I live in Barcelona) - https://www.reddit.com/r/Barcelona/comments/10f6ddr/rent_vs_income/

    People with even 4-10 years experience have to share apartments because income after tax is disproportionately low compared to rent.

    As I said, try living in said countries and experience it yourself :smile: .

    The comment on power was ofcourse about Datacenter power. For us, Germany Datacenters charge 50-60cents per KWH (since the war), whereas Indian charge less than half.

  • @leapswitch said: Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    The results speak for themselves. The fact that there is barely any competition outside the big cloud vendors(most of them are foreign companies) says it all. Now compare that with the EU/US market.

  • fartfart Member
    edited March 2023

    @BingoBongo said: You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    I know I'm entering a controversial thread (any thread on any website talking about India goes downhill fast, and I say this as an Indian myself) but the website blocking is real; I'm sure you've read about VLC media player being blocked in India, a few weeks ago Airtel was blocking the Webpack documentation for some reason...

  • cadddrcadddr Member
    edited March 2023

    @leapswitch said: Said customer support associate has a 1BHK apartment in India

    1BHK apartment on 15k salary? Rent alone will cost atleast 10k on most major cities. Even in india people share large apartments in early careers to save money despite earning >40k.

  • TrKTrK Member

    @leapswitch said: Please re-read my post.

    I read and wasn't able to comprehend your vast knowledge, forgive me.

    @leapswitch said: As I said, try living in said countries and experience it yourself :smile: .

    As far as i know no one was comparing living in different countries. The pure thread was based with the new rules being implemented and the discussion went to hardware when was asked why not go with indian providers. As i said in my other comments if you look around in market to get something here directly(again i am not talking about bulk pricing) you will see the difference in pricing easily if you have bought the same thing in spain or outside india. I am inexperienced and prolly never get to live in any of the other countries so can't compare with that sorry.

  • BingoBongoBingoBongo Barred
    edited March 2023

    @supriyo_biswas said:

    @BingoBongo said: You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    I know I'm entering a controversial thread (any thread on any website talking about India goes downhill fast, and I say this as an Indian myself) but the website blocking is real; I'm sure you've read about VLC media player being blocked in India, a few weeks ago Airtel was blocking the Webpack documentation for some reason...

    Again you proved me right.. Govt didn't block VLC randomly. They banned it because there was a news that hackers exploited it..

    So as precaution govt blocked it.

    VLC is fully accessible for years.. it was just a hiccup to protect Indian consumers.

    Kindly research first before commenting..

    Thank you

  • varwwwvarwww Member
    edited March 2023

    @BingoBongo said:

    @TrK said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    None of my sites never got any issues because of Govt.

    And I have/had multiple websites since 2005/6 I think.

    So only he knows what content he host on his websites that govt of a large country want to block them.

    :lol: :lol:

    I never said about websites getting banned or what not, none of my websites ever got banned, My points were not related to banning but instead of some other aspects if you care to read them. If this reply wasn't intended for me then i guess i am jumping the gun here. And here i do like to quote something from you as well, "You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet" well being uneducated maybe much better atleast i could have stayed away from internet if i was one.

    What!?? Where I comment on your post?
    I even never read your commen on this post.

    My comment was for varwww where he said because of got websites are baned and something like that..

    When I mentioned sites getting banned randomly by Govt, I was referring to opensource tools, libs and docs that I rely on getting banned. None of my sites were banned.

    https://github.com/captn3m0/hello-cloudflare This was basically a side effect to another site getting blocked by Govt orders on the same host. It usually gets reversed in a few months after Govt realize the mess they created.

    The shady crap hosted by people/criminals ("uneducated" people you call) gets banned by Hetzner Abuse team (or any other reputable provider) way before the India Govt orders.

  • @varwww said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @TrK said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @leapswitch said:

    @TrK said:

    @leapswitch said:
    Why not move your servers to Indian providers :smile: ?

    Outrageous GST, poor routing, costly and old hardware and did i mention the lack of ipv6 with most of the providers. I forgot to mention heavy import duties for latest hardware.

    Each country in Europe charges 18-24% VAT. How is 18% GST high?

    IPv6 is available with most Indian providers/datacenters and all Indian ISPs.

    Latest generation hardware is available with Indian vendors with official warranty, no need to import. Our dedicated servers with Intel Gold (2nd Gen) and AMD EPYC (2nd/3rd Gen) are lower than popular EU/USA providers.

    Power prices in India are less than half of what we are paying in Europe.

    You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    None of my sites never got any issues because of Govt.

    And I have/had multiple websites since 2005/6 I think.

    So only he knows what content he host on his websites that govt of a large country want to block them.

    :lol: :lol:

    I never said about websites getting banned or what not, none of my websites ever got banned, My points were not related to banning but instead of some other aspects if you care to read them. If this reply wasn't intended for me then i guess i am jumping the gun here. And here i do like to quote something from you as well, "You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet" well being uneducated maybe much better atleast i could have stayed away from internet if i was one.

    What!?? Where I comment on your post?
    I even never read your commen on this post.

    My comment was for varwww where he said because of got websites are baned and something like that..

    When I mentioned sites getting banned randomly by Govt, I was referring to opensource tools, libs and docs that I rely on getting banned. None of my sites were banned.

    https://github.com/captn3m0/hello-cloudflare This was basically a side effect to another site getting blocked by Govt orders on the same host. It usually gets reversed in a few months after Govt realize the mess they created.

    The shady crap hosted by people ("uneducated" people you call) gets banned by Hetzner Abuse team (or any other reputable provider) way before the India Govt orders.

    That was nothing to do with govt. If govt want to ban something they will order all ISP and not just a sing ISP (Airtel in this case)

    Also you don't needs to violate anything, hetzner will ban you some day as they are very famous for their fales positive abuse emails.

    And sorry but Neither Hetzner nor any other provider or entity has right to tell any govt what to do or what not to do. Neither any govt gives a shit on any providers opinion.. Govt runs by constitution and law of the land. Neither any company nor any other govt has any rights to dictate other countries what's they should do

  • @BingoBongo said:

    @supriyo_biswas said:

    @BingoBongo said: You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    I know I'm entering a controversial thread (any thread on any website talking about India goes downhill fast, and I say this as an Indian myself) but the website blocking is real; I'm sure you've read about VLC media player being blocked in India, a few weeks ago Airtel was blocking the Webpack documentation for some reason...

    Again you proved me right.. Govt didn't block VLC randomly. They banned it because there was a news that hackers exploited it..

    So as precaution govt blocked it.

    VLC is fully accessible for years.. it was just a hiccup to protect Indian consumers.

    Kindly research first before commenting..

    Thank you

    Again, you are misinformed here. VLC (original src) was never hacked. It was probably a fork of the code with the malware. This can happen to any software. https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/14/india-lifts-download-ban-on-vlc/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADpVV7DP5yo3XzPJPwnY_fGM_o6VaKUi8Wg743Q1puNsJm1kThYVa_EucnDiDHlHbamvCSUhVBBKjzfGhRUM5we0fazW3AbS7Zq03hzv0G9TxykMsfBirzyAJBwMG8LaYUk4QN5eAaeZ3YpEirt05hJLU07a9eJ6PHn7GR8wzehg

    9+ months is a long time to unblock an incorrect ban.

  • @varwww said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @supriyo_biswas said:

    @BingoBongo said: You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    I know I'm entering a controversial thread (any thread on any website talking about India goes downhill fast, and I say this as an Indian myself) but the website blocking is real; I'm sure you've read about VLC media player being blocked in India, a few weeks ago Airtel was blocking the Webpack documentation for some reason...

    Again you proved me right.. Govt didn't block VLC randomly. They banned it because there was a news that hackers exploited it..

    So as precaution govt blocked it.

    VLC is fully accessible for years.. it was just a hiccup to protect Indian consumers.

    Kindly research first before commenting..

    Thank you

    Again, you are misinformed here. VLC (original src) was never hacked. It was probably a fork of the code with the malware. This can happen to any software. https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/14/india-lifts-download-ban-on-vlc/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADpVV7DP5yo3XzPJPwnY_fGM_o6VaKUi8Wg743Q1puNsJm1kThYVa_EucnDiDHlHbamvCSUhVBBKjzfGhRUM5we0fazW3AbS7Zq03hzv0G9TxykMsfBirzyAJBwMG8LaYUk4QN5eAaeZ3YpEirt05hJLU07a9eJ6PHn7GR8wzehg

    9+ months is a long time to unblock an incorrect ban.

    Yes 9 months is very long thanks to our bureaucracy I guess..

    But for me 9 months not using a software is far better that loosing all personal and financial data.

    I don't want to give my data to "Winnie-the-Pooh" (that's my opinion btw)

    BTW, India is a democracy so you have option to challenge Govt's order if you are not agree.

  • fartfart Member
    edited March 2023

    @BingoBongo said:

    @varwww said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @supriyo_biswas said:

    @BingoBongo said: You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    I know I'm entering a controversial thread (any thread on any website talking about India goes downhill fast, and I say this as an Indian myself) but the website blocking is real; I'm sure you've read about VLC media player being blocked in India, a few weeks ago Airtel was blocking the Webpack documentation for some reason...

    Again you proved me right.. Govt didn't block VLC randomly. They banned it because there was a news that hackers exploited it..

    So as precaution govt blocked it.

    VLC is fully accessible for years.. it was just a hiccup to protect Indian consumers.

    Kindly research first before commenting..

    Thank you

    Again, you are misinformed here. VLC (original src) was never hacked. It was probably a fork of the code with the malware. This can happen to any software. https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/14/india-lifts-download-ban-on-vlc/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADpVV7DP5yo3XzPJPwnY_fGM_o6VaKUi8Wg743Q1puNsJm1kThYVa_EucnDiDHlHbamvCSUhVBBKjzfGhRUM5we0fazW3AbS7Zq03hzv0G9TxykMsfBirzyAJBwMG8LaYUk4QN5eAaeZ3YpEirt05hJLU07a9eJ6PHn7GR8wzehg

    9+ months is a long time to unblock an incorrect ban.

    Yes 9 months is very long thanks to our bureaucracy I guess..

    But for me 9 months not using a software is far better that loosing all personal and financial data.

    I don't want to give my data to "Winnie-the-Pooh" (that's my opinion btw)

    BTW, India is a democracy so you have option to challenge Govt's order if you are not agree.

    The official VLC media player was never compromised though. It was a different group that made a copy of VLC and added malware to it, so blocking the official website would only have the opposite effect of people downloading it from shady sources.

    The correct step would be to block the domain and not the official website.

  • TrKTrK Member

    Vote to change the government, Government gets changed, bureaucracy remains the same, people fed up with government, vote to change the government, and the shit show continues.

  • dosaidosai Member

    @supriyo_biswas said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @varwww said:

    @BingoBongo said:

    @supriyo_biswas said:

    @BingoBongo said: You can't convince every uneducated people on Internet.

    He said "Sites get randomly blocked by govt"

    I know I'm entering a controversial thread (any thread on any website talking about India goes downhill fast, and I say this as an Indian myself) but the website blocking is real; I'm sure you've read about VLC media player being blocked in India, a few weeks ago Airtel was blocking the Webpack documentation for some reason...

    Again you proved me right.. Govt didn't block VLC randomly. They banned it because there was a news that hackers exploited it..

    So as precaution govt blocked it.

    VLC is fully accessible for years.. it was just a hiccup to protect Indian consumers.

    Kindly research first before commenting..

    Thank you

    Again, you are misinformed here. VLC (original src) was never hacked. It was probably a fork of the code with the malware. This can happen to any software. https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/14/india-lifts-download-ban-on-vlc/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADpVV7DP5yo3XzPJPwnY_fGM_o6VaKUi8Wg743Q1puNsJm1kThYVa_EucnDiDHlHbamvCSUhVBBKjzfGhRUM5we0fazW3AbS7Zq03hzv0G9TxykMsfBirzyAJBwMG8LaYUk4QN5eAaeZ3YpEirt05hJLU07a9eJ6PHn7GR8wzehg

    9+ months is a long time to unblock an incorrect ban.

    Yes 9 months is very long thanks to our bureaucracy I guess..

    But for me 9 months not using a software is far better that loosing all personal and financial data.

    I don't want to give my data to "Winnie-the-Pooh" (that's my opinion btw)

    BTW, India is a democracy so you have option to challenge Govt's order if you are not agree.

    The official VLC media player was never compromised though. It was a different group that made a copy of VLC and added malware to it, so blocking the official website would only have the opposite effect of people downloading it from shady sources.

    The correct step would be to block the domain and not the official website.

    Shows the competency level of Ministry of IT under Rajeev.

  • opiqopiq Member

    @leapswitch said: As an Indian living in Spain

    sure, you can list out all the drawbacks, but answer this. would you rather be in India or stay where you are?

  • leapswitchleapswitch Patron Provider, Veteran

    @opiq said:

    @leapswitch said: As an Indian living in Spain

    sure, you can list out all the drawbacks, but answer this. would you rather be in India or stay where you are?

    I would stay in India (Pune). I alternate between the 2, 6 months in each.

  • opiqopiq Member

    @leapswitch said: I would stay in India

    haha, you got a hybrid thing going on? that's the dream my man. I understand now, for the reasons you've mentioned.

    cost of living, taxation

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  • varwwwvarwww Member

    Some good news.

    https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1925592

    Clarification regarding applicability of Tax Collection at Source to small Debit/Credit Transactions under LRS
    Posted On: 19 MAY 2023 7:11PM by PIB Delhi

    Concerns have been raised about the applicability of Tax Collection at Source (TCS) to small transactions under the Liberalized Remittance Scheme (LRS) from July 1, 2023. To avoid any procedural ambiguity, it has been decided that any payments by an individual using their international Debit or Credit cards upto Rs 7 lakh per financial year will be excluded from the LRS limits and hence, will not attract any TCS.

    Existing beneficial TCS treatment for education and health payments will also continue.

    The necessary changes to the Rules (Foreign Exchange Management (Current Account Transactions Rules), 2000) will be issued separately.

    Thanked by 1fart
  • dosaidosai Member

    I was relieved by this news tbh.

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