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It means that @Pilzbaum believes there's a problem with the moderators.
According to the poll - he is not the only one thinking that though.
Guys guys we all need to smoke the green sticky icky! Real some ppl know exactly what they are doing and know how to press an individual buttons. Hey I have had made things personal in the past. but hey it takes 2 make things alright!
Your dismissal of the user feedback is insulting. There's CLEARLY issues with the content and how it's presented and it's exceptionally ignorant to blame that on LET users instead of video tutorials to more technically literate people than OP is.
No, that's clearly not the case, since others don't do that, repeatedly. I can't believe that a site with more technical people aren't actually annoyed at non-technical people trying to use videos to improve their skills. It makes me wonder what skilled mods like @FAT32 and @raindog308 are thinking/saying in private. I think they have some responsibility to PM them and be like, "seriously, dude, video tutorials for tech stuff is rarely a good idea".
I'm just curious that when Arkas and Not_Oles were made mods by @jbiloh, was that completely his decision or did multiple other mods recommend and support it? Because to me, those appointments stick out NIGHT|DAY different from all previous mods in my experience. So much so, I suspect a process change that resulted in that.
I'm happy with @angstrom. I like when he clearly marks a user's post as edited inline by him with useful and proper feedback. So I'd be curious about that appointment, as well.
Your dismissal of my point and twisting it into something else is insulting.
That's a great observation. It also has precisely nothing to do with whether the OP is a mod or not.
Would it really be such an absolute travesty if people actually learned stuff from this forum?
I didn't dismiss it. I directly responded to it. I didn't twist anything; your point was clear with the word "solely".
It did, because you JUST dismissed this right above as not the reason for complaint! The complaint about content/spam came first; the shit about mod came as a result from the threats, not in OP.
Is this learning? Is this the best way to learn? Are people interested in that format? What if someone put 10 hours into a video but it was actually wrong? Videos are better suited to showing concepts, not hands on tutorials. That's what reading and copy/pasting and screenshots are for. Wtf advantage does video format have for hands on technical tutorials?
Were you around when I railed so hard pointing out problems with jsg's benchmark app? Because this touches on similar topics. Arkas famously defended jsg despite having never used the benchmark and having no technical experience in the testing. It's largely the reason I was flabbergasted to learn he was made a mod.
I don't want to get into yet another pointless argument with you. But please READ the things you are responding to:
What user feedback were you claiming that I've dismissed exactly?
Or are you telling me that all these instances where people have had a go at this mod are because of the content of what he's said and nothing at all to do with the fact that he's a mod. Because I remember a certain user who got banned several times, and every time his ban ran out, he'd jump straight into whatever thread that mod had last posted in to accuse him of racist genocide. But sure, that's all totally about the content of the posts.
In multiple thread over several months, I've noticed a pattern that whenever a certain mod says ANYTHING, people criticise his stuff, invoke racist memes, etc. Very, very, very rarely is it actually relevant to the thing he's posted, it's because they don't like that he's a mod.
That was the point I was making. I didn't dismiss anybody else's stuff. I simply made my own point.
Sometimes videos are useful ways for learning things. Personally, I prefer to read, but people have different learning styles and many people do in fact prefer to learn from videos.
I never watched any of them, either because the subject doesn't interest me, or I already know how to do whatever it is from the subject. So, you know what I do? I move on and read a different thread instead.
I don't know what benchmarking app you're talking about, maybe I just ignored that thread too because it doesn't sound particularly interesting to me. Or maybe I was just glad that you'd stopped arguing with me and were busy with someone else instead, so I could go back to having a peaceful life.
I also have no interest in learning any of the specific details about this app, but I fail to see why someone not having much or even any technical experience in one specific area would disqualify them from being a mod and make you flabbergasted.
And you know this how?? You are questioning my technical abilities? I probably have a decade in network design on you, judging by your age from the way you post, though I could be wrong. Again, the videos are meant for NEW members that don't have technical expertise. LET isn't only for experts. Times are changing, get on with it. Have I chosen the wrong video in the one instance? Most probably I have and I will correct that error. It's funny you remember that I "famously defended" jsg benchmark script. Is that why you hold a grudge against me? Because I defended what I believe to be a superior benchmarking tool? This is getting more and more interesting. I still believe in jsg's app and I would defended it today just as I did then, but for someone to hold such a deep grudge over it, you need some "me" time, your judgement is becoming distorted.
SMH
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And again: No!
All that means is that some people feel or possibly think that there is a problem.
Kindly note that "some people feel or possibly think that there is a problem" != "there actually is a problem".
Diverse people feel and think (or "think") a whole lot. Some, for example, feel that math is somehow racist and some even feel that 2 + 2 != 4 and that others who think that 2 + 2 = 4 are somehow racist.
That's what (real) science is for. To find out how things really and objectively are.
Besides, there is virtually nothing without some people feeling or thinking (or "thinking") there's a problem with it.
=> despite the democracy belief system what people feel or think actually is largely irrelevant and/or can easily be manipulated.
You know who really cares about what people feel or think (or "think")? Advertisers and people wishing to sell something. In case you wonder how honest their interest is just look at their after-sales behaviour.
Similarly, sorry to possibly shock you, "going for quality" != "going for clicks". Usually quite the contrary. And yes, that's also true for communities I'm afraid.
Forum looks clean, not so many annoying ads and sponsored posts!
For more drama, post I want more free drama and win a free 1 hour drama filled live video conference with drama queen Arkas!
I want more free drama
Sorry, rejected. Call me stubborn but I want my drama here!
Unfortunately though, sorry to break it to you, you, at least as mod, are far too reasonable to be a drama queen anyway.
lmao ok
LET needs a plot twist like this: a drama about a deep conspiracy between moderators and drama queens.
There you go trying to gaslight me again. I give an example where you inserted yourself into an issue that didn't involve you and took jsg's side. You admit you would still defend jsg's app despite never, ever using it! That demonstrates that you are not objective and clearly have the grudge with me.
SMH indeed. Give yourself another timeout, you need one.
Have you ever heard the phrase "like the pot calling the kettle black?"
All,
The votes and opinions of our community members are important. It is clear that some tweaks are necessary to our methods and application of our moderation here at LowEndTalk.
Moderating an active and dynamic message board like LowEndTalk is a difficult task. Those who have donated their time to do so have sincerely good intentions and I personally appreciate their time and contributions.
Historically LowEndTalk has been the wild west of the hosting industry, and that is part of our DNA, part of what makes this community both unique and interesting. There has been an internal effort to incrementally move LowEndTalk a little bit away from the intensity it has often been known for without moving so much that the community loses its identity.
This incremental shift and the processes and guidelines required for the moderators to successfully carry out their duties have not been sufficiently outlined by me. Because of this their jobs have been more difficult and the moderation, at times, uneven. That failure falls on my shoulders and will be remedied.
In response to the feedback provided in this thread we will be making the following changes effective immediately:
The above list is not intended to be all encompassing but rather to explain our recognition that tweaks are needed and the resulting pivot we are making.
Lastly, I want to thank both our community members for being vocal and telling it straight and our moderator team who sincerely want the best for the community and who generously devote their time in that aim.
Read the friggin subject, FFS! SMH
Also, please tell me where I'm blindly defending an app I've never used. Or similar situation.
Oh well, for some, incl. @jbiloh, it's about the community. And for a few others it's about "Me! Me! Me!". Aggressively as usual, of course.
And the purpose of this post is to... add value to the thread?
Sometimes it's just about "Me! Me! Me!"
It was to hint at egomaniac, ignorant people who don't care about the community but only about themselves and being right, no matter how clueless and wrong they are and no matter the cost for the community.
I'm sorry if you feel that I attacked a friend of yours.
I was referring to gaslighting, although most of the other things you accuse him of could also apply to you. I have no idea what apps you have or haven't defended, nor do I care.
Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
I just felt that your post was so lol and ironic. Way to assume there champ. You're being very subjective right now. Dial it down like 40%
"Logic" at work.
And now kindly excuse me, I'm interested in the community and hosting, not in whether you like me or not or in how you feel I am, etc.
lol triggered.
Alright you do you bud.
Edit: Yes I'm being a dick. But lol come on. He just backhand-insulted people, called them selfish, and pretty much made a statement that anyone who argues with him is only in it for themselves... without adding anything of value to the thread. It's just so ironic. It's just so funny. It's like white knighting a server hosting community for... what being rough to itself and others?
I thought that he was referring to himself and his benchmark app. He didn't want to open source it, discuss details or take feedback. It was all about getting attention and likes, which never materialized.