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The UK is coming for your forums and comments sections
“Politicians pretending to save people from the rich and powerful, but doing things that only help them become even more rich and powerful” is nothing new, but I'm loving what some of them are coming up with these days.
In the latest instance, if you have a website with any user-generated content which is accessible in the UK, which would apply to social media websites but also forums or blogs with comment sections, requires that you, the operator, provide Ofcom with a detailed report of the risks posed by illegal content and what compliance mechanisms you have in place, and also implement age gating/verification mechanisms to determine how many children are accessing your website and the risks that your website poses to them.
Say goodbye to small websites, and say hello to even more centralization! Facebook's usage has been in decline, and I can only imagine this is making the Zucc extremely happy. But I'm sure there'd be some folks coming out of the woodwork to tell me how I'm a pedophile for not liking this law that is clearly aimed at “protecting the children.”
The end is nigh.
https://webdevlaw.uk/2022/07/11/your-compliance-obligations-under-the-uks-online-safety-bill/
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no one is going to comply with this
My website has a realtime chat feature.
The chat group only exists in peer-to-peer fashion with no centralized server.
Each message is encrypted end-to-end using a group key that only participants could compute.
There's no way for me, the website operator, to know who is chatting and what they are talking about, as none of this information comes across my server.
UK government will find nothing if they seize my website.
They can surely try to cause you legal trouble, which is all that they need. Also, there’s talk about banning E2E encryption in the UK.
Good article - if the laws pass, it'll be horrendous - but as @Abdussamad said, I don't think anyone will comply. It's virtually impossible.
They could, but would they really?
It's like GDPR, not all websites are compliant and very few businesses' have been held accountable.
Sure, but they'll never really be able to do it - they'll realistically only be able to get Apple/Google/Meta to comply.
Oh no
Anyways
I wouldn't worry overly. We have difficulty organising a piss-up in a brewery these days, or in the case of the met police noticing a single pissup under our noses when there are 17 of the buggers some of which we are effectively running door security for…
OMG, lately a lot of countries turned very german. I suspected all these new anti-internet laws would emerge 20 years ago. But it mostly didn't happen back then. So I was relived and optimistic. Turnes out, I just underestimated how slow boomers in power are understanding change, and what it means for their power.
Maybe we'll soon have multiple Internets. A totally commercial, centralized, spied upon, censored one per region (US, EU, RU, CN etc.), with a few monopolistic platforms and clouds where the masses get their daily dose of propaganda, their two minute hate and their bland corporate entertainment. Like today, but worse.
And the international, anonymous darknet that resembles the late 90s internet. Not just drugs, CP and fake hitmen, but also normal homemade noncommercial websites with normal harmless content that is too "controversial" for the bigbrothernet. Like uncensored discussions, humor, science, education, philosophy. And hackers will always try to find ways into the firewalled foreign clearnets to read the forbidden news of the enemy, and spread the word on the darknet.
I'm counting on the fine hosters here to secretly support the darknet (rather: brightnet) then.
Years later, as an old man I will sometimes use an ancient offline linux notebook that I hide from the police to read an old offline version of Wikipedia, read the forbidden books, listen to the forbidden music, and watch old standup comedy. Having local storage, local content and an offline device is 3 serious crimes. Then one night they'll kick in the door of my secret hidden basement room, and take me away because I trusted one person that I shouldn't have trusted. The next day I'm sentenced to death by the popular daily witch-hunt poll on the metaverse. And I'll be glad to finally escape that human hell.
The cyberpunks were right all along! They didn't have tinfoil hats, just working brains.
“Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent — the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free.”
H.L. Mencken
Ahhh. More political B.S. It's not like the UK doesn't have enough problems, bureaucratic politicians create more. I will continue ignoring them.
From the people who brought you arrests for subjective interpretations of social media posts...
Why?
I could care less what the UK says.
Heck, I send cookies and don't warn people.
Yeah. I'm that kind of menace. Don't mess with me, you limey bastards, or I might just have a mind to collect a little personal information and not tell anyone about it. I'm not joking. I'll do it.
The UK has gone to shit ever since @Nekki left LET
I ranted about this issue in another thread, so I won't repeat it here.
In some sense, this is a repeat of something we have already seen in the UK. Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA), a person can be compelled by lawful authority to decrypt their data. If the person refuses to decrypt the data, they could serve up to two years in prison. Some people are faced with the Hobson's Choice of serving two years in prison for refusal, versus more time in prison if the decrypted data results in a conviction for a crime with a longer sentence. RIPA became law in the year 2000.
It reminds me of cases in the USA where innocent people agree to plead guilty and accept a shorter prison sentence rather than risk being wrongfully convicted and sent away for very long prison terms.
Do a web search for "UK RIPA". Here is one article to get you started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000
Oof
Amongst other things…
Francisco
When UK keeps financial fraudsters of other countries happily and not release them to their respective countries ,nobody will respect their law .
Plea bargains are common in nearly all common-law countries and probably non non-common-law as well. There's nothing special about the US in this regard. Your point is valid but pretty rare.
Funny, I was just explaining Prisoner's Dilemma to someone today.
What if the person doesn't have the key to decrypt data?
I can make a group crypto system where decryption is possible only when at least M group members approve to decrypt the data.
As long as fewer than M members reside in UK, the UK government cannot decrypt the data.
Then you get punished same as a refusal
I've spent hours and hours analyzing this. If people followed it, the justice system would be in BIG trouble.
Hours? I played it in school once and did it for others once. It is nonoperative among friends and family because people trust each other. It is very interesting among thieves or strangers. Or even better, people you just know a little.
I would not decrypt anything no matter what. After 2 years of trying maybe they could decrypt it (who knows what will happen in 2 years) and find nothing wrong. I would use that to repeal the law.
On the other hand, I have the right to privacy, unless they have serious evidence to convince a judge I am hiding something illegal, that won't fly.
On the third hand(!), I have plausible deniability, not only that I have a neurological condition since I had meningitis at 16 months and I am prone to forgetting things, but also different keys decrypt different things, steganography works so all my crypto wallet keys are safe. They can be destroyed (that is why I have back-ups in many places) but cannot be revealed.
The dark net is really the solution. They will have to infiltrate that and even then there are ways to stay safe. If you do this by the book and never get lazy/careless, you can be safe by employing multiple layers of privacy protection.
Also, the blockchain technology can ensure safe and fair encrypted storage exchange. The so called boomers are slow to understand things but even slower to adapt once they do. They have no chance, I am a smarter mouse than any of them.
You would fail. It's Britain.
In the US this is still at the appellate level. There have been several Federal and state Supreme Courts that have ruled that forcing someone to disclose the key violates the Fifth Amendment (right against self-incrimination).
There are a variety of legal subtleties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_States
As hard as they may try the brit politsters will never even come close to the Monthy Python original.
Note to self: get rid of all UK servers and do not buy anything anymore in that country!
same here. no one cares of such laws. billions of sites. Only the large one like amazon, facebook, techcrunch will abide to such laws.
It's been 10 years, my sites don't even have a privacy policy, oh, forget about cookie policy, and they are running extremely well in EU, Germany and UK. Neither the users care if they see a cookie banner or not!
I never mentioned self-incriminating stuff. I also do not mean to repeal the law within the legal framework but in the court of the public opinion.
we don't care, we are EU, we don't give a shit about the Queen's wishes
You do know that the Queen is not involved directly in politics right?
I know she is "not" directly involved, as Putin isn't in the Ukraine war
I have no idea what you mean.
I don't understand the question.