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  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @Tokyom said:
    @VirMach When will the Tokyo storage server be activated?

    Just ask for a refund already man, I don't know what you're trying to achieve here or how you expect asking for update will somehow resolve your issue. Assume that we never offered it, get your money back. Why are you choosing to wait for it and then at the same time extremely upset about the wait, something you are fully deciding to do at this point?

    Clearly this pre-order is delayed and we clearly have not been a reliable source for updates on them so why not just get a refund? There's no catch, you can get all your money back for the storage pre-order.

  • TokyomTokyom Member

    @risturiz I'm not a pdd and I don't know who he is, i think you are the virmach servant,Can you also ask me for a refund? Because you paid too much for virmach, don't know if he tipped you?

  • JabJabJabJab Member

    I wish VirMach would pay me!

  • JabJabJabJab Member

    @VirMach said: Clearly this pre-order is delayed and we clearly have not been a reliable source for updates on them so why not just get a refund? There's no catch, you can get all your money back for the storage pre-order.

    with interests I hope?! Those 2 cents looks sweet.

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @JabJab said:

    @VirMach said: Clearly this pre-order is delayed and we clearly have not been a reliable source for updates on them so why not just get a refund? There's no catch, you can get all your money back for the storage pre-order.

    with interests I hope?! Those 2 cents looks sweet.

    And additional amount for emotional distress, as well as perceived value of the service at the rate it gets resold on HostLoc.

  • nutjobnutjob Member

    @Tokyom said:
    As a businessman, I hope you have some brains and don't let our group of users laugh at you

    As a businessman, he knows that people like you are a waste of time and money.

    You can whine as much as you like, but it won't change anything.

  • nutjobnutjob Member

    @Samael said:

    @nutjob said: The migration buttons were awesome and something I've never seen with other quality low end providers.
    @nutjob said: And what happens? PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY ABUSE IT.

    Oh, there are some LEB hosts like securedragon, justhost.ru... who use it since forever and they don't complain about abuse.
    Do you know why? Because their migration "button" actually work and clients don't have issue, don't have need to open tons of support tickets to beg for (un)paid migration to be finally finished, to get their servers finally online, to finally fix crappy connectivity issues, and so on and on...
    Some of you, including @VirMach see it as abuse while clients are just frustrated and pissed off because things don't work and issues aren't solved in timely manner. And it's not just migration button as we saw in past month or so.
    Personally I don't need one VPS more but I have it anyway and one day when things stabilize I may actually use it. So there's no reason for me to open tickets, request for things to get fixed, etc. And there's most likely hundreds of people like me.
    But then there's also hundreds of people who purchased it because they actually need it. After all delays they want to get things done to put it into production. And those are frustrated the most. Can we really blame them?

    But generally my opinion is that at some point someone should stop blame clients like they owe him something and set up things properly before he take their money and there WON'T be any of those problems. That's on the host.

    That's odd, because I experienced almost all of the same problems that others here did. I just waited until things improved and used the migrate features to my benefit when they worked.

    I didn't even think to whine in the forums, I opened no tickets and didn't cancel anything, yet I couldn't be happier with the outcome. I now have 4 large, cheap services exactly where I want them.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited May 2022

    @VirMach said: @Samael said: Can we really blame them?

    Yes, we can, if they knew what they were doing...

    Why you're acting like this isn't just part of your problems piling up? And like you invented "problematic group" explicitly just for those who are annoyed and frustrated after (paid) unsuccessful migration?

    Just stop blaming clients for your fuckups man, seriously, just stop. It's not their fault that you took too much on your plate with those pre-sales and unresolved issues with service started to pile up.

    We apologize for the delays in migrating your special. We originally stated expected dates of 09/30/2021 to 04/30/2022, but it is now 05/01/2022.

    While we have still not been able to schedule these migrations for entire nodes with data, we have released a feature that allows you to opt to migrate your service right now, without data, to a new Ryzen servers. If you are interested, please visit your product details page, and look for the "Ryzen Migrate" button. Click this, and you'll see a prompt allowing you to select a location where you can immediately migrate to without data. Please note, this is "without data" so your service will be terminated and created as a fresh VM on a Ryzen node. If the button does not appear, please report this on the original LowEndTalk thread for this migration sale, and we will have it corrected.

    I wasn't in hurry so did not requested migration, but if I would and deleted old instance in this process after I recieved this mail above I would be also pissed off.


    @nutjob said: That's odd, because I experienced almost all of the same problems that others here did

    What's odd?
    You quoted me but your writing have absolute no sense apart from explaining me how cool you are because just like me you paid for service you don't really need anytime soon so it doesn't matter if this thing work for you now or the next year. But you, just the same as me, don't walk in other people's shoes.

  • @Virmach Thanks for completing the Transfer (FOC) and I hope that your helper, @FrankZ enjoys the addition to his family. :)

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider
    edited May 2022

    I've answered exactly 420 tickets in the last 18 hours, most of which have luckily been those who needed it most since we cleaned up the ticket queue with the auto reply and priority idea. That doesn't include any marked as resolved where the system auto replies that it's done, or any tickets closed out.

    We went from 1360~ tickets in the queue, with around 600~ receiving auto replies, down to just 92 right now not including migration requests which have been placed on hold until we go through them bulk.

    We're in a position now to stay ahead of these requests especially with individual migration requests disabled, so there's some good news.

    @Samael said: wasn't in hurry so did not requested migration, but if I would and deleted old instance in this process after I recieved this mail above I would be also pissed off.

    The script is coded in a way where it doesn't actually terminate the old service first. In some rare cases, which I've seen less than a dozen of so far, it does something weird and maybe changes the vserverid to the new broken one while old one is still up.

    I'm sure some cases exist where the old one gets terminated, but anyway, this has nothing to do with what we've been discussing so far.

    You do realize no matter why we're at where we got, it helps no one when six tickets are created for a paid migration, right? And in that case the customer still has a service that's untouched, not just terminated/gone unless it was already like that in which case we resolve those ASAP if the proper offline/priority ticket is created?

    Nowhere did I blame clients for any of the serious issues. I've only been specifically speaking about these paid migrations where people are upset and spamming requests combined with refund requests to continuously re-try after already being told that the automated system may not function and they'll have to wait.

  • fanfan Veteran
    edited May 2022

    Considering what inflation has done and is doing to people or organizations recently, adding $1 is near nothing. Just think it's buying stability.

    Thanked by 2VirMach FrankZ
  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @nutjob said:
    VirMach should have a "preferred customer" system: only those people who have been non-abusing/annoying customers for 6 months or more should be allowed access to special features and special offers.

    How many push-ups to get onto the preferred tier?

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @yoursunny said:

    @nutjob said:
    VirMach should have a "preferred customer" system: only those people who have been non-abusing/annoying customers for 6 months or more should be allowed access to special features and special offers.

    How many push-ups to get onto the preferred tier?

    Too difficult to do correctly at a substantial level right now but if we can get an AI to quickly verify pushup videos then maybe that would work.

    Thanked by 1SinV
  • @VirMach said: .. down to just 92 right now not including migration requests which have been placed on hold until we go through them bulk.

    Remember to LET us know when OK to do rDNS requests again, please.

    Thanked by 1FrankZ
  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider
    edited May 2022

    @fan said:
    Considering what inflation has done and is doing to people or organizations recently, adding $1 is near nothing. Just think it's buying stability.

    Yeah unfortunately it just seems like moving forward, getting more money for the same thing may also automatically resolve a lot of our other problems. Not so much doing it for the money as for the latter reason.

    I don't think people realize how little I like making money right now but I guess $8.88 with IPv4 on Ryzen in Tokyo of all places should've been an early warning sign.

    @AlwaysSkint said:

    @VirMach said: .. down to just 92 right now not including migration requests which have been placed on hold until we go through them bulk.

    Remember to LET us know when OK to do rDNS requests again, please.

    It's been in my thoughts recently. I think it'll go well with right after getting the network problems sorted and IPv6 and perhaps can get pushed up to before some Ryzen migrations since it's semi-critical for some. But that's just hopeful me talking right after after defeating a lot of tickets today.

  • nutjobnutjob Member

    @Samael said:

    @VirMach said: @Samael said: Can we really blame them?

    Yes, we can, if they knew what they were doing...

    Why you're acting like this isn't just part of your problems piling up? And like you invented "problematic group" explicitly just for those who are annoyed and frustrated after (paid) unsuccessful migration?

    Just stop blaming clients for your fuckups man, seriously, just stop. It's not their fault that you took too much on your plate with those pre-sales and unresolved issues with service started to pile up.

    We apologize for the delays in migrating your special. We originally stated expected dates of 09/30/2021 to 04/30/2022, but it is now 05/01/2022.

    While we have still not been able to schedule these migrations for entire nodes with data, we have released a feature that allows you to opt to migrate your service right now, without data, to a new Ryzen servers. If you are interested, please visit your product details page, and look for the "Ryzen Migrate" button. Click this, and you'll see a prompt allowing you to select a location where you can immediately migrate to without data. Please note, this is "without data" so your service will be terminated and created as a fresh VM on a Ryzen node. If the button does not appear, please report this on the original LowEndTalk thread for this migration sale, and we will have it corrected.

    I wasn't in hurry so did not requested migration, but if I would and deleted old instance in this process after I recieved this mail above I would be also pissed off.


    @nutjob said: That's odd, because I experienced almost all of the same problems that others here did

    What's odd?
    You quoted me but your writing have absolute no sense apart from explaining me how cool you are because just like me you paid for service you don't really need anytime soon so it doesn't matter if this thing work for you now or the next year. But you, just the same as me, don't walk in other people's shoes.

    What the fuck are you talking about? My services were up and doing work almost the whole time. The most downtime I had was when my LAX node lost networking and then I just decided to migrate to Phoenix instead. "You're not using it" seems to be the go-to claim for people who are angry and clueless. Nope, I'm just organised and not an amateur like you.

    Really, you're just writing dumb shit to try to justify your position. VirMach had lots of problems getting Ryzen up (which they forewarned) but they were severely exacerbated by people abusing anything they could, mostly to get some sort of petty revenge or just attention. You really want to defend these idiots?

    The whole point of my example was if someone wasn't overcome with righteous rage (like you now seem to be) they could work around the problems. Yep, that pretty "cool".

    Thanked by 1ZA_capetown
  • AlwaysSkintAlwaysSkint Member
    edited May 2022

    @VirMach said: after after defeating a lot of tickets today.

    Someone's needing a rest, methinks. ;)
    Did you catch my thanks from earlier?

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @AlwaysSkint said:

    @VirMach said: after after defeating a lot of tickets today.

    Someone's needing a rest, methinks. ;)
    Did you catch my thanks from earlier?

    I'll get some rest after after trying to ship out some nodes or something else productive today.

  • @VirMach said: .. in the last 18 hours ..
    @VirMach said: I'll get some rest after after trying to ship out some nodes or something else productive today.

    Zombie alert! Zombie Alert!

  • I've got a somewhat tangentially related issue with @stoned right now, and I'm hoping that posting here can help me resolve it:

    I have a transfer ticket (#485844) that was closed during the earlier mass closing and not reopened yet as requested; @VirMach could you verify the ticket does in fact exist?

  • AlwaysSkintAlwaysSkint Member
    edited May 2022

    @drunkendog said: .. could you verify the ticket does in fact exist?

    Can you not just use the search button in "My Support Tickets"? It shows up Closed and Active.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited May 2022

    @nutjob said: The whole point of my example was if someone wasn't overcome with righteous rage (like you now seem to be) they could work around the problems. Yep, that pretty "cool".

    Rage? Where do you see rage in my writings? I am pretty much in the same position as you - it will work wherever it will work, and I am really not bothered with that, but I can't stand you self-righteous morons bashing other little guys just because of they hoped for great services in timely manner and got frustrations in return.

    I don't give a shit what you do or don't do. Or how many boxes you have or don't have. That's up to you. Just don't be self-righteous moron judging others because of based on their own experience they don't feel about some things the same as you do.
    I am not saying that opening so many tickets help to the case. It obviously doesn't. I am actually pretty calm client. Like said I don't have some big need to have this vps up and running righ now and similar as you, I didn't open one single ticket.
    But I understand why some of those people do what they do with support ticket requests without need to mock them. I understand their big expectations before and frustrations after which resulted so many tickets. I know who dropped the ball here. That's the sole reason I responded.

  • @AlwaysSkint said:

    @drunkendog said: .. could you verify the ticket does in fact exist?

    Can you not just use the search button in "My Support Tickets"? It shows up Closed and Active.

    Unfortunately, @stoned has opened a PayPal dispute against me, so I want some proof that I did do what was agreed to respond to the dispute with.

    Thanked by 1AlwaysSkint
  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @drunkendog said: I have a transfer ticket (#485844) that was closed during the earlier mass closing and not reopened yet as requested; @VirMach could you verify the ticket does in fact exist?

    Exists. I only recall one ticket left open right now from the person receiving the VPS and I vaguely remember a different ticket ID being provided that didn't bring up anything in our database/froze up. Could've been a temporary issue.

    Did you still want this processed or remain closed?

    Thanked by 1drunkendog
  • @VirMach said:
    Did you still want this processed or remain closed?

    I'll see how the dispute goes; thanks for the quick response!

  • foitinfoitin Member
    edited May 2022

    @VirMach said:

    But sure, it's our fault for allowing them to make the request or payment and expecting they be understanding of the situation and make their own decision. That's why we've taken that option away now.

    It's your fault to allow non-migration special to migrate to any location at a low low price in the first place.

    Sooner or later you'll realize most sub 10, heck even sub 5 buck BF offers (that have similar specs to $21/$15 Ryzen preorders) have been migrated to Japan and you lose money every time unsustainable BF offers get renewed at previous price.

    Tokyo's residential electricity price is like 10-20% higher than last year, due to 燃料費調整額 (fuel cost adjustment part) 's huge increase, like doubled or tripled which is directly affected by Russia's invasion. Not sure about industrial electricity's price-up but its only gonna be more than residential.
    What's more INTERESTING is that the price will only go up more in the next few months cuz this fuel cost part is reflected around 3-6 months later.

    Nearly all commodities' price go up in Japan partially due to China's covid lockdown and logistics problem along with Russian invasion.

    Good luck on keeping that low low OpenVZ price on Ryzen KVM nodes. ;)

    edit:
    heck. just did a quick search and the increase is even more than I feel.
    On average 8871 yen this month compared to 6973 yen last May.

    Thanked by 1lemoncube
  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider
    edited May 2022

    By the way one last note before I switch over to more intensely fixing nodes, setting up nodes, and sending out nodes (while still answering tickets) -- I want to share some numbers to put everything into perspective when it comes to the few people complaining here about how terribly the Ryzen migration tool, ticket handling, and other Ryzen related tasks have went.

    Some people may think as a result of these posts that we're literally ignoring the majority of tickets, that no one is getting migrated, we're somehow holding people's money hostage, or no one is being activated. Yes, it was all far from perfect but given these figures we've definitely tried.

    13,210 tickets handled in the last 30 days
    247 tickets currently pending resolution (157 of which are paid migration requests)
    2,454 non-special Ryzen services sold/activated in the last 30 days
    2,852 Ryzen specials sold/activated, duration of this sale (~90 days)
    2,233 successfully migrated to Ryzen with button & mass migration last 30 days
    $18,840.74 in requested refunds & credits to customers in the last 30 days
    4% broken VMs generated (<0.3% still broken VM)
    3% of Ryzen* services facing an immediate unresolved outage
    480 storage services pending activation
    107 various services pending activation, with the majority new from 1-2 days ago

    Some of these numbers may be off a little bit, these were quick searches and not triple checked, but they're pretty close to being representative of the true numbers.

    And some footnotes:

    • Majority of refunds were for storage as that's been quite delayed, we've refunded every single request unless one was closed by error. Majority of storage refunds were for monthly purchases. Majority of annual/biennial refunds are not included in last 30 days
    • Actual successful migrations were a lot higher, but above numbers don't include the cases where someone migrated then again, and again, and again. Only one gets counted.
    • Pending activation services is about a third older orders for Tokyo from the later non-LET sale, and majority are last day or two as a lot of locations went out of stock after we finished segmenting the IP blocks (some nodes out of IPs temporarily.) More being set up.
    • Majority of paid migration requests were put in the last 24 hours and are repeat requests from people that already got refunds and were told it'd take a longer time to process. We'll hopefully clear these out soon. Hundreds more already refunded.
    • Broken VM is the only figure that's a rough estimate as it's difficult to get a specific number. This is a "high" estimate and include the majority which are from Ryzen button failures.
  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider
    edited May 2022

    @foitin said: Sooner or later you'll realize most sub 10, heck even sub 5 buck BF offers (that have similar specs to $21/$15 Ryzen preorders) have been migrated to Japan and you lose money every time unsustainable BF offers get renewed at previous price.

    This was already expected. Japan was always meant to be a loss leader money-wise. We just didn't expect it to also be a support time sink and problematic on the NIC, which is what we're correcting now moving forward with the (at least temporary) price increase.

    (edit) And if you're interested, for us to break even the $8.88 special would have to be $18+

    Anyway, break over for me, back to work. I'll try to check back later tonight for any questions.

    Thanked by 1Xrmaddness
  • foitinfoitin Member
    edited May 2022

    @VirMach said:

    This was already expected. Japan was always meant to be a loss leader money-wise. We just didn't expect it to also be a support time sink and problematic on the NIC, which is what we're correcting now moving forward with the (at least temporary) price increase.

    Those who eagerly move their unsustainable deals to Japan is likely to be the biggest abusers and MJJs. It should be expected.

    If the price is high enough, it'll drive off abusers who only need cheap VPS to spam or used to do DDoS attacks and stuffs which they can discard once they got spotted. The loss is so small that they can buy new ones once old ones are suspended.
    and if there're too many MJJs on one node, that node is guaranteed to be unstable when a bunch of MJJs abuse networks for proxies, BBR plus and kcp and whatever mentioned above.

    And if you're interested, for us to break even the $8.88 special would have to be $18+

    Then cut the bandwidth in half or a quarter, raise the renewal price accordingly, whatever makes you break even at least. The price would still be competitive that people are still going to buy it all the same. There's no competition within similar price range. Even MJJs would still buy it as shown here again and again, whining all the time yet when offered the chance to refund they don't cuz they see the value in it.

    If anyone can choose any location at the same price and specs, I bet 95% will end up in Tokyo and that's where you lose money as we can see here most buyers are complaining MJJs.
    Empty space on other locations makes you less money yet you spent the same. Crammed Tokyo gets you bad network and therefore more complaining tickets, and you lose money for it.
    How is it a viable business model?

    Hope you don't end up lose too much money that are force to end this business.

  • @VirMach said:

    8gb plan :) still waiting

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