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[OVH] Routing issues Singapore -> Indonesia, Singapore -> Philippines

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  • I'm moving out from OVH cause of this issue.

  • @m_rizki_r said:
    I'm moving out from OVH cause of this issue.

    Dude, please moving from your ISP, no issue from OVH..

  • shellshell Member

    @nanankcornering said:
    OVH have **many **capacity in IX & upstream (they recently upgraded to 200G, Equinix SG), you can see the usage here: http://weathermap.ovh.net/#apac

    The issue is with Telkom Indonesia itself, they have limited capacity in IXs & traffic shaping system, which limits hosting/cloud traffic to go inside Telkom Indonesia's network.

    last time i checked, telkom have 2x100G equinix sg, and 2x100G sgix.
    it's more like business decision to not peering with some network / selective peering

    @nanankcornering said:
    For Telkom, their mindset is "do you need us? or we need you?"

    100% true

  • pedagangpedagang Member
    edited July 2021

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @m_rizki_r said:
    I'm moving out from OVH cause of this issue.

    Dude, please moving from your ISP, no issue from OVH..

    not funny jokes
    it's about majority traffic from those isp

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited July 2021

    @shell said:

    @nanankcornering said:
    OVH have **many **capacity in IX & upstream (they recently upgraded to 200G, Equinix SG), you can see the usage here: http://weathermap.ovh.net/#apac

    The issue is with Telkom Indonesia itself, they have limited capacity in IXs & traffic shaping system, which limits hosting/cloud traffic to go inside Telkom Indonesia's network.

    last time i checked, telkom have 2x100G equinix sg, and 2x100G sgix.
    it's more like business decision to not peering with some network / selective peering

    @nanankcornering said:
    For Telkom, their mindset is "do you need us? or we need you?"

    100% true

    OVH and me tested this. If OVH routes the traffic via Equinix SG or SGIX, it wil results in 60% packetloss. That's why they route it via NTT US, but that results in 200+ms.

    They prefer no packetloss over high latency. I agree but bro......

  • Can they route 40% of traffic through SGIX and the rest through NTT?

  • @elwebmaster said:
    Can they route 40% of traffic through SGIX and the rest through NTT?

    They Kind of tried that via TATA and TELSTRA. But TELIN/TELKOM is just rate-limiting OVH to get them pay for private peering.

  • shellshell Member

    @jordynegen11 said:

    @elwebmaster said:

    ........ But TELIN/TELKOM is just rate-limiting OVH to get them pay for private peering.

    at the end, it's all about business decision

    how serve content to telkom indonesia users
    1. via internet exchange ( rate limited )
    2. direct peering ( paid service )
    3. use telkom cdn ( paid service )

  • DazzleDazzle Member
    edited July 2021

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @m_rizki_r said:
    I'm moving out from OVH cause of this issue.

    Dude, please moving from your ISP, no issue from OVH..

    No you won't, in business perspective its simpler to switch to another hosting provider. The pain point is on app/web users, you can't tell everyone to change their ISP.

    *Replying with Telkom Indihome

    Thanked by 1Fritz
  • diherdiher Member

    So now, what is the best Singapore VPS provider to access from the Telkom Indonesia network ?

  • diherdiher Member

    So now, what is the best Singapore VPS provider to access from the Telkom Indonesia network ?

  • one of
    maxkvm
    and .....

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @diher said:
    So now, what is the best Singapore VPS provider to access from the Telkom Indonesia network ?

    LeaseWeb SG maybe?

    Check out @NDTN / GreenCloudVPS.

    Thanked by 1NDTN
  • edited July 2021

    @diher said:
    So now, what is the best Singapore VPS provider to access from the Telkom Indonesia network ?

    From my experience @MaxKVM which use Limelight / Hivelocity, 20 ms or less from Jakarta

    Others DC in SG except OVH have 26 ms or less latency from Jakarta

    Thanked by 1MaxKVM
  • yes
    even if in local Indonesia, if don't have direct peering to Telkom it's also not good, Singapore is still better … not ovh of course

  • tomazutomazu Member, Host Rep
    edited July 2021

    Any AS7713 or 4G network enduser IP to perform some tests?

    SINGAPORE:
    https://lg.sg.webhosting24.com/

    Start: 2021-07-29T17:17:22+0200
    HOST: localservices.sg.webhosting24.com Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
    ..
    4.|-- 45.40.49.36 0.0% 10 1.0 1.0 0.9 1.2 0.1
    5.|-- 107.155.24.118 0.0% 10 2.4 2.7 2.4 3.7 0.4
    6.|-- 180.240.204.135 0.0% 10 3.7 5.8 3.5 19.4 5.0
    7.|-- 180.240.204.135 0.0% 10 25.8 26.6 3.4 41.6 12.6
    8.|-- 180.240.190.54 0.0% 10 3.8 3.8 3.6 4.0 0.1
    9.|-- 180.252.1.153 0.0% 10 22.7 20.5 17.6 34.0 5.0
    10.|-- 180.252.1.154 0.0% 10 25.9 22.8 18.0 27.6 3.1
    11.|-- 180.249.245.5 0.0% 10 46.5 34.3 31.6 46.5 4.9

    TOKYO:
    https://lg.jp.webhosting24.com/

    Start: 2021-07-29T17:20:09+0200
    HOST: localservices.jp.webhosting24.com Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
    1.|-- 180.149.230.170 0.0% 10 0.7 0.6 0.5 0.7 0.1
    2.|-- unn-156-146-32-138.cdn77.com 0.0% 10 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.5 0.1
    3.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
    4.|-- 7713.hkg.equinix.com 0.0% 10 79.2 86.7 74.1 132.4 18.7
    5.|-- 180.240.190.150 0.0% 10 85.7 90.3 73.9 142.0 21.6
    6.|-- 180.240.190.54 0.0% 10 86.5 88.5 74.2 141.5 21.3
    7.|-- 180.252.1.153 0.0% 10 94.9 100.9 88.4 144.9 18.7
    8.|-- 180.252.1.154 0.0% 10 112.4 106.7 89.3 143.2 17.0
    9.|-- 180.249.245.5 0.0% 10 120.3 112.9 102.6 128.4 9.8

    SYDNEY:
    https://lg.au.webhosting24.com/

    Start: 2021-07-29T17:20:14+0200
    HOST: localservices.au.webhosting24.com Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
    ..
    4.|-- 45.112.246.238 0.0% 10 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.7 0.0
    5.|-- ae5.cr1.sy4.nsw.au.coloau.net.au 0.0% 10 93.8 97.4 93.8 106.7 4.0
    6.|-- 45.112.244.169 0.0% 10 93.8 94.8 93.8 102.6 2.8
    7.|-- 63956.sgw.equinix.com 0.0% 10 93.7 101.4 93.5 171.9 24.8
    8.|-- 7713.sgw.equinix.com 0.0% 10 94.4 94.5 94.3 94.7 0.1
    9.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
    10.|-- 180.240.204.14 0.0% 10 95.4 95.3 95.1 95.8 0.2
    11.|-- 180.240.190.58 0.0% 10 95.8 95.7 95.3 95.8 0.2
    12.|-- 180.252.1.153 0.0% 10 110.7 109.8 109.2 110.7 0.6
    13.|-- 180.252.1.154 0.0% 10 112.5 115.0 112.3 117.6 2.5
    14.|-- 180.249.245.5 0.0% 10 123.4 123.4 123.3 123.5 0.1

    MUNICH:
    https://lg.muc.webhosting24.com/

    Start: 2021-07-29T17:18:32+0200
    HOST: ns6.webhosting24.com Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
    ..
    4.|-- ve320-xe-0-3-rt-slx-fra1.as196922.net 0.0% 10 6.9 8.0 6.6 18.8 3.7
    5.|-- decix-v4.telin.co.id 0.0% 10 7.3 7.1 6.9 7.4 0.0
    6.|-- 180.240.192.234 0.0% 10 164.2 164.9 164.0 172.0 2.4
    7.|-- 180.240.190.54 0.0% 10 164.8 164.6 164.4 164.8 0.0
    8.|-- 180.252.1.153 0.0% 10 178.2 178.3 178.1 178.5 0.0
    9.|-- 180.252.1.154 0.0% 10 188.0 182.3 178.5 188.0 3.2
    10.|-- 180.249.245.5 0.0% 10 192.1 192.3 192.1 192.5 0.0

    LOS ANGELES:
    https://lg.lax.webhosting24.com/

    Start: 2021-07-29T17:20:18+0200
    HOST: localservices.lax.webhosting24.com Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
    1.|-- 84.33.244.1 0.0% 10 0.5 0.6 0.5 1.4 0.3
    2.|-- telekomunikasi-indonesia.as7713.any2ix.coresite.com 0.0% 10 3.5 4.8 1.1 10.5 3.6
    3.|-- 180.240.190.54 0.0% 10 173.9 176.1 172.5 180.5 3.4
    4.|-- 180.252.1.153 0.0% 10 194.4 191.2 186.2 198.2 4.3
    5.|-- 180.252.1.154 0.0% 10 195.8 196.9 190.9 201.0 3.8
    6.|-- 180.249.245.5 0.0% 10 208.8 204.3 200.4 209.2 3.4

  • edited July 2021

    @tomazu said:
    Any AS7713 or 4G network enduser IP to perform some tests?

    Telekomunikasi Selular (4G)

    curl ipinfo.io
    {
      "ip": "114.124.211.242",
      "city": "Jakarta",
      "region": "Jakarta",
      "country": "ID",
      "loc": "-6.2146,106.8451",
      "org": "AS23693 PT. Telekomunikasi Selular",
      "timezone": "Asia/Jakarta",
      "readme": "https://ipinfo.io/missingauth"   
    }
    

    Thanked by 1tomazu
  • edited July 2021

    @tomazu said:
    Any AS7713 or 4G network enduser IP to perform some tests?

    Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
    1. 172.16.0.1 0.0% 5 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.4 0.1
    2. 10.2.112.1 0.0% 5 2.4 2.3 1.6 2.9 0.5
    3. 180.252.1.101 0.0% 5 1.2 2.2 1.1 5.9 2.1
    4. 180.240.190.54 0.0% 5 15.2 15.1 14.8 15.2 0.2
    5. 180.240.190.53 0.0% 5 24.2 18.4 16.8 24.2 3.3
    6. (waiting for reply)
    7. 180.240.204.84 0.0% 5 16.0 16.4 15.9 17.1 0.5
    8. 107.155.24.117 0.0% 4 19.2 18.0 17.5 19.2 0.8
    9. 45.40.49.37 0.0% 4 55.3 45.7 34.3 55.9 11.5
    10. 104.254.115.71 0.0% 4 17.7 18.1 17.7 18.8 0.5
    11. 103.216.223.83 0.0% 4 20.3 20.3 20.2 20.5 0.1
    12. localservices.sg.webhosting24.com 0.0% 4 18.8 22.4 18.8 27.4 3.7

    Looks good to me. Are you running behind Zenlayer in SG? Should be good, Telkom have PNI with them, also in Jakarta.

    If you expand to Jakarta with Zenlayer, looks like you're going to have a better advantage in terms of network than local players there ;)

    Thanked by 1tomazu
  • @diher said:
    So now, what is the best Singapore VPS provider to access from the Telkom Indonesia network ?

    Maybe you can AWS Lightsail. They have private peering with Telkom.

  • fazarfazar Member
    edited July 2021

    traceroute to 107.155.95.100 (107.155.95.100), 50 hops max, 64 byte packets 1 * * * 2 192.168.110.1 (192.168.110.1) 18.20 ms 26.70 ms 12.60 ms 3 192.168.110.131 (192.168.110.131) 14.90 ms 28.50 ms 14.30 ms 4 192.168.242.42 (192.168.242.42) 18.50 ms 22.60 ms 13.70 ms 5 192.168.42.28 (192.168.42.28) 15.10 ms 22.30 ms 30.60 ms 6 36.92.255.77 (36.92.255.77) 15.00 ms 14.30 ms 14.60 ms 7 180.240.193.202 (180.240.193.202) 33.40 ms 57.00 ms 35.30 ms 8 180.240.193.201 (180.240.193.201) 38.10 ms 36.50 ms 47.00 ms 9 180.240.204.150 (180.240.204.150) 37.50 ms 50.00 ms 45.60 ms 10 tge6-4.fr3.sin.llnw.net (117.121.248.24) 42.30 ms 67.60 ms 55.00 ms 11 117.121.248.217 (117.121.248.217) 45.70 ms 55.80 ms 58.50 ms 12 lg.sin.maxkvm.net (107.155.95.100) 39.20 ms 53.10 ms 48.80 ms

    tested using telkom 4G from south kalimantan, AS23693. @tomazu

    sorry for messy formatting, vanilla editor didn't play well on mobile browsers.

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited December 2021

    Still no action from OVH after months. This issue started in Februari.

  • otw to drop your packets

  • @jmgcaguicla said:
    otw to drop your packets

    Wkwk kang indihom

  • billyriantonobillyriantono Member, Host Rep

    i think the problem is because of the ISP itself, not from OVH Side :smiley:

    Thanked by 1tux
  • i think just move on from OVH ==>fixed

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited December 2021

    @billyriantono said:
    i think the problem is because of the ISP itself, not from OVH Side :smiley:

    It is caused by shitty Telkom but other datacenters in that area managed to fix it, probably by cutting a deal with Telkom.

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited December 2021

    @pedagang said:
    i think just move on from OVH ==>fixed

    I have no alternative in APAC that can deliver the same for an "normal" price.

  • @jordynegen11 said:

    @pedagang said:
    i think just move on from OVH ==>fixed

    I have no alternative in APAC that can deliver the same for an "normal" price.

    You can try Phoneixnap but not sure how suitable they are for telkom users. But OVH spec and bandwidth offer is still the best price point in the region.

  • TeadazeTeadaze Member
    edited December 2021

    @jordynegen11 said: I have no alternative in APAC that can deliver the same for an "normal" price.

    because they have to use those money to pay for traffic with those ISP...
    This happens to many country in APAC. And most will agree having higher MS probably better then losing packet.

  • billyriantonobillyriantono Member, Host Rep

    @jordynegen11 said:

    It is caused by shitty Telkom but other datacenters in that area managed to fix it, probably by cutting a deal with Telkom.

    Telkom sometimes do throttle to who that doesn't want direct peering / have a business with them :wink:

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