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web hosting mafia: Litespeed + CloudLinux + cPanel

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  • LeeLee Veteran
    edited November 2021

    @brandort said: lol right... except you are one of the biggest (free) Direct Admin fans on LES

    Your point is out there, somewhere. Are you high? Cause all you are doing is rambling. Well, that and being a dick. Did someone touch you on LES or LET?

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @ezeth said: apiscp is the ideal setup

    Not everyone lives in an RHEL (or clone) universe. For ApisCP to make a dent it needs to work with more OSs.

    Thanked by 1webcraft
  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @Lee said: Direct Admin

    DA is one of the best cp out there. screw cpanel.

  • mmuyskensmmuyskens Member, Host Rep

    @Arkas said:

    @ezeth said: apiscp is the ideal setup

    Not everyone lives in an RHEL (or clone) universe. For ApisCP to make a dent it needs to work with more OSs.

    I agree. Must support Windows to survive or the end is nigh.

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @mmuyskens said: I agree. Must support Windows to survive or the end is nigh.

    Well, Debian would be a nice start :smile:

    Thanked by 1webcraft
  • I don't understand about politics etc on software distribution.

    As a common user, I only care about my sites going fast. Many tests I do myself proven that LS is performing better than Apache.

    Don't say "ring and bells" blabla, just put the benchmark here and I'll follow.

    Thanked by 1lonea
  • brandortbrandort Member
    edited November 2021

    @Lee said:

    @brandort said: lol right... except you are one of the biggest (free) Direct Admin fans on LES

    Your point is out there, somewhere. Are you high? Cause all you are doing is rambling. Well, that and being a dick. Did someone touch you on LES or LET?

    the old british guy who calls everyone a dick is coming here every week asking to help him about free control panels and what is the cheapest clouds for his next hosting business lol

    15 years did you stop asking for free help and give back anything? please stop bragging about your Land Rover that you got rich from using volunteers free software and please contribute money or support open source before you trash talk more people ;)

    @Arkas said:

    @Lee said: Direct Admin

    DA is one of the best cp out there. screw cpanel.

    yes but actually I forgot Direct Admin is not open source... perhaps cPanel will acquire that too--

    CyberPanel is open source but they also partner with Litespeed only...

    Webmin, ISPConfig, Ajenti, Virtualmin, aaPanel, VestaCP, Sentora, ApisCP... many options

    remember when MariaDB forked from MySQL to protect the code, that is what can happen if some mafia tried to acquire next control panel in the future

    @Dazzle said:
    I don't understand about politics etc on software distribution.

    As a common user, I only care about my sites going fast. Many tests I do myself proven that LS is performing better than Apache.

    Don't say "ring and bells" blabla, just put the benchmark here and I'll follow.

    well if you do web business for many years you should learn a little about politics, already you join LET so that means you can understand

    you are "common user" but also expert for benchmarking Apache? impossible really (or LS shills)

  • LeeLee Veteran
    edited November 2021

    @brandort said: the old british guy who calls everyone a dick

    Well, the thing is dick. How about you stop being a little pussy hiding behind an alias and show your true self, then we can talk about whatever you want.

    And to be clear

    @brandort said: please stop bragging about your Land Rover

    I love my Range Rover, so whatever.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    Is this another one of those translated posts from hostloc?

  • @brandort said:

    well if you do web business for many years you should learn a little about politics, already you join LET so that means you can understand

    you are "common user" but also expert for benchmarking Apache? impossible really (or LS shills)

    Disagree = LS shills.

    Lol, what a prick.

  • anatolianatoli Member
    edited November 2021

    @Arkas said:

    @mmuyskens said: I agree. Must support Windows to survive or the end is nigh.

    Well, Debian would be a nice start :smile:

    Sure, support every distribution but still work properly only on your own one like cPanel on Cloudlinux. Not a bad idea, you're right!

    However, I've been using ApisCP for 2 years now and there's literally nothing to complain about. Yeah sure, there will be bugs but at least there's people that actually fix them.

    Really glad to have chosen RHEL as it has literally no impact on my OS management skills and has been really stable so far, preferring Ubuntu is just for comfort. I run other VMs with Ubuntu as well for Docker-related reasons and for comfort.

    As per speed and other benchmarks I can tell my clients are happy even after the migration, without specific tweaks 'cause those boost performance even more. Quite competitive as well as they're paying less for faster servers.

    ApisCP isn't the right panel for you? Stick with what you like more. It's a choice and there's plenty alternatives to pick from. Don't just complain about meaningless stuff...

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @anatoli said: Don't just complain about meaningless stuff..

    When did I complain for meaningless stuff? Did you bother reading before posting???

    Thanked by 2webcraft anatoli
  • @Arkas said:

    @anatoli said: Don't just complain about meaningless stuff..

    When did I complain for meaningless stuff? Did you bother reading before posting???

    He's this kind of guy for apiscp promotion what others are for litespeed promotion.

    Thanked by 2Arkas anatoli
  • brandortbrandort Member
    edited November 2021

    Land Rovers shills, Litespeed shills, affiliate link shills

    this is webdev community now seems?

    nobody gives any shit about open source community can survive or dead anymore... so for those guys you cannot complain about cPanel price increase or no options in 2035

    at least ApisCP is open source!! FOSS users must join forces and help each other <3

  • ezethezeth Member, Host Rep
    edited November 2021

    @brandort said:
    Land Rovers shills, Litespeed shills, affiliate link shills

    this is webdev community now seems?

    nobody gives any shit about open source community can survive or dead anymore... so for those guys you cannot complain about cPanel price increase or no options in 2035

    at least ApisCP is open source!! FOSS users must join forces and help each other <3

    Yep. I am stocking up on apiscp licenses, mostly for my internal use. I get pro licenses for a 1-3 domain vps :D It's mostly because I don't want to have to worry about some limit in the future

  • @Arkas said:

    @anatoli said: Don't just complain about meaningless stuff..

    When did I complain for meaningless stuff? Did you bother reading before posting???

    I sure did, have you though?

    Even on some previous messages, you're saying Apis has to work on some other OS rather than RHEL or a clone—fun fact they're all based on Linux. Or am I mistaken?

    If what I said wasn't clear enough, I asked why does it matter if the underlying OS is RHEL-based rather than Debian-based? Give me some real benefits beside your comfort with a certain distro and I'll shut up and give you the win.

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @anatoli said: Give me some real benefits beside your comfort with a certain distro and I'll shut up and give you the win.

    1 word. Choice.

  • @anatoli said: If what I said wasn't clear enough, I asked why does it matter if the underlying OS is RHEL-based rather than Debian-based? Give me some real benefits beside your comfort with a certain distro and I'll shut up and give you the win.

    People like to fight over everything. Different ways of doing things, different taste, and different types of stupidity.

  • @Arkas said:

    @anatoli said: Give me some real benefits beside your comfort with a certain distro and I'll shut up and give you the win.

    1 word. Choice.

    Trying to say nothing and everything at the same time? I'd like to learn more about how this is a turn-off when choosing a panel. I can understand if they'd force you to use RHEL or Cloudlinux, commercial products; but we're talking CentOS and Rocky which are free just like Debian and Ubuntu. What's the real reason behind your argument? What if DA decided to drop Debian-based support, would you pick some other panel?

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @anatoli said: What if DA decided to drop Debian-based support, would you pick some other panel?

    Quote

    Yes, I would. I know Debian very well and I'm very comfortable with it. I'm not saying that CenTOS is bad, it's just a waste of time for me learning a different (yet similar). All I am saying is I'd like a choice. Open software is promoted usually as OS agnostic in Linux, and I like it this way. I don't want to argue with you, take what you will from my reply and that's it :smile:

    Thanked by 1webcraft
  • edited November 2021

    Something rather telling in that thread is that despite the thread starting “1 week, 3 days ago” it quotes a 2013 stackexchange post as evidence (that is now wrong, released versions of Chrome have supported HTTP3 for approximately a year, Firefox for over six months: https://caniuse.com/http3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/3) suggesting that it is just regurgitated content from years ago.

    Of course HTTP3 is still only a draft protocol. Perhaps Apache won't support it until it looks to be leaving that status. If you really want to run your stuff on beta versions of protocols, some other web servers support the recent draft versions too. Or you can spend money on LS if you want, no skin off my nose. Personally, I prefer to stay a little behind the bleeding edge.

  • nemnem Member, Host Rep

    @Arkas said: it's just a waste of time for me learning a different (yet similar)

    We hold different ideas on what a platform should be. My approach is to fully abstract it such that the underlying platform is irrelevant. By doing this we're working with a consistent foundation to make the most of available technology. Not withholding, it makes troubleshooting far simpler when you can control for fewer distro idiosyncrasies. Let me give you two recent examples of differences between CentOS 7 and CentOS 8 systemd releases that introduced rather pernicious problems-

    PHP-FPM is managed with a superclass of services, php-fpm can trigger a restart on php-fpm-siteXX which in turn would restart all pools under that account. These can also be triggered individually. It looks a bit like this,

    All sockets include an implicit target sockets.target while non-socket services are typically multi-user.target or basic.target. On C8, systemd negotiates sysinit.target to avoid a dependency loop. sysinit.target is before basic.target. basic.target is after sockets.target. Socket activation services are bound to the corresponding service and parented as depicted in the diagram above. Starting the service before sockets.target is reached in basic.target propagates down the chain starting sockets.target that depends on basic.target. systemd in C8 was able to properly reorganize these services to avoid such a loop whereas C7 needed explicit instructions.

    A second issue was with DNSSEC in systemd-resolved, enabled by default in C8. Not all reverse zones publish RRSIG records. Postfix uses the builtin resolver to perform FCrDNS at connection time. A lack of RRSIG despite advertising DNSSEC on the zone results in record rejection. This was happening on a variety of zones managed by Salesforce as well as another marketing provider. Added a negative trust anchor for these in-addr.arpa zones to resolve.


    I want to move people away from hand editing files in Vim, instead focusing on Scopes that are guided entrypoints to modifying the platform. Moreover Scope settings are recorded meaning they can be reapplied an unlimited number of times only changing what needs to be changed. In all ApisCP examines ~2200 components on a server.

    I have no intention of following old design approaches that amount to nothing more than a fuzzball of shell scripts. We're at a great confluence of tools and libraries to do a lot more in an organized process. Splitting focus on other distros not only is irrelevant in the grand scheme but limits what this platform is able to focus on, technical excellence.

    Thanked by 2Arkas anatoli
  • Any idea what the earnings are for DA? What would Oakley need to pay, 4, 5 6 x earnings? DA isn't in a bad space. They may want to just hang in their since Oakly actually is improving their fundamentals. Not everyone wants or needs a lump sum.

  • why do you have so much hatred to litespeed? do you know free version of litespeed = openlitespeed ?

    I'm using openlitespeed and nginx in my servers, both good at speed.

  • @level6 said:
    Any idea what the earnings are for DA? What would Oakley need to pay, 4, 5 6 x earnings? DA isn't in a bad space. They may want to just hang in their since Oakly actually is improving their fundamentals. Not everyone wants or needs a lump sum.

    no idea but enough market share is all Oakley cares about right? The 80 year old dinosaurs that run government regulation would never stop Oakley from acquiring more panels like DirectAdmin or CyberPanel or whatever at this point I'm guessing... or maybe Litespeed acquires CyberPanel (much more entertaining)

    @ariq01 said:
    why do you have so much hatred to litespeed? do you know free version of litespeed = openlitespeed ?

    I'm using openlitespeed and nginx in my servers, both good at speed.

    not sure you understood about this topic, read again pls

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