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Haven't tried it...or arch either...or slackware in the last, oh, 20 years.
Just shooting my mouth off :-)
Now I've seen everything.
Windows Server 2019's minimum RAM is 512MB for Express, or 1GB for Standard/Enterprise.
So in 2019, Linux requires more RAM than Windows.
If I had to guess, the Centos number are probably high enough for a good experience with X and Firefox. Everybody knows Microsoft minimums are laughable.
No, Microsoft are just bigger liars. Can you even run a modern, 64-bit web browser with 512MB of RAM? If you want a stripped-down Linux OS, there's plenty, they just aren't RHEL.
That said... GNOME is the devil. It was amazing back in the v0.9 thru v1.2 days... Had the UI that Microsoft copied (poorly) for Win7. Then it went all sideways. It's a massive resource hog, all to display three desktop icons and a menu, and a bunch of UI-crippled accessory apps. It's worse than Win10, and I don't say that lightly.
I've standardized on XFce, with some customizations. It has kept a decent UI for decades, and it's so lightweight that old dirt-cheap systems seem fast. Now if the EPEL folks could just get it in the repos for RHEL8...
I guess I can learn centos8/systemdOS now, just as easily as any other systemD 'carrier'.
The same 💩plumbing tools work everywhere.
Thats totally like, your opinion man
VZ8.
Yeah from CentOS 8 testing /research so far, there's definitely some missing YUM packages which I'd require/need. So we shall see.
I'm getting this too with php-* packages i.e. tidy, zip and imagick. Their dependencies on libtidy, libMagick and libzip seem to be missing?
mentioned in my CentOS 8 Compatibility work log https://community.centminmod.com/threads/centmin-mod-centos-8-compatibility-worklog.18372/ - all -devel packages are now in separate PowerTools repo but some might need to get from REMI EL8 or epel-playground repos, But yeah some are missing
For my PHP 7.3+ builds libzip I usually compile from source anyway for newer versions on CentOS 7 so probably be doing same for CentOS 8.
Yep, fine for servers, almost useless for day to day desktop work.
systemd isn't a ding on RHEL specifically, it's not nearly unique enough. So many distributions and their offspring have adopted it. Red Hat definitely played a part in it being big, but /shrug
An argument could be made for firewalld, but it's really not uncommon either. I applaud Red Hat for embracing new things and sticking with them, at least with a better track record than the folks at Canonical have. Sure they've had some flubs (looking at you, up2date), but generally they try out new things, have a rough patch, and it works out pretty well.
An example of this is NetworkManager and firewalld - the are extremely odd compared to traditional tools, and they were honestly junk at the beginning. Now they work great together, automating against them is a dream. I manage extremely convoluted proxies on many networks at work, and this made it far easier than say raw iptables/network-scripts. Netplan for this is terrible
Lennart Poettering works for RedHat :-)
And regardless of systemd's technical merits or lack thereof, it should be fully documented on the OS and not direct me to freedesktop.org. WTF.
To me, RHEL is now like Solaris or HP-UX or AIX...one of those OSes you buy because you have some piece of software that requires it or you're a big shop that standardizes on it. I really only see it in "enterprise" shops...most of the smaller web shops, etc. seem to be using Debian or Ubuntu.
But whatever...I'm very used to my technical opinions and preferences not being mainstream. I mean, Microsoft.
Yep lol. There's a whole story with that nonsense
I haven't really had any trouble finding local documentation for things like systemd units or the seemingly random binaries it requires familiarity with... I never have to go anywhere like that to find information, but maybe that's because I've run into enough walls already
Yea, that's fair - you're paying for a certain flavor. It's not reasonable to buy unless you absolutely need vendor support for a mission critical thing. I mostly use CentOS or Fedora on my own stuff, but work is a fleet of Debian/Ubuntu.
I'm eagerly pushing us towards RHEL, but we'll have to fix our pipelines, package building specs, etc. On the back burner for now, but I mean we did just buy them - it would be crazy to not use their stuff
Just tried it out with iso installation, and this is fresh minimum install with qemu agent
Did anyone try Cockpit yet ? Seems pretty neat
Similar numbers here, yum minimum installation with fail2ban.
This test bench has 1GB memory assigned, and it runs just fine even without swap.
Yeah I've played with the cock on fedora previously. It is pretty cool. Lots of plugins.
That's one way to make the templates work...
Francisco
Ha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahahahaha.
Oh yeah, they working great..
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You spelled Opensuse wrong on the adults table. Debian...pff.
Couldn't agree more. Centos the undisputed king of changing shit for no reason.
Also with the RAM requirements it sounds like Centos 6 was the last outpost for VPS environments. The RAM needed keeps escalating.
Yep, it's cool.
I am going to deploy CentOS 8 immediately.
centos 8
yeah though redhat/centos might be overly cautious for minimum 2GB memory as here it lists 1.5GB https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/performing_a_standard_rhel_installation/system-requirements-reference_installing-rhel#check-disk-and-memory-requirements_system-requirements-reference
and
possible to upgrade from Centos 7 to 8?