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@serverbear
I'd of already removed them, if a host is poorly performing on a buisness aspect, get rid! If it's poor results? Who cares, that's the idea right?
An RFO should have been issued. It did not need to include specific technical details. 72 hours is sufficient time to prepare an RFO acknowledging the problem, explaining the response and measures put in place to resolve this for the future.
I don't go to VPS companies for proofing. I go to them for servers.
@marcm in case that you just discovered this thread all this happened some week ago, there was a lot of speculations, a lot of guessing and as we're asking @CVPS_Chris to give some explanation finally and as you're not Chris I think that you can't answer our questions instead of him.
tl;dr
You're one week to late to party. People want some real answers from Chris not additional guessing.
@serverbear, ouch!
As opposed to removing CVPS how about creating new "trust" ranking for the providers you list? Anything that points to outages, bad behavior, etc. would be helpful to potential buyers (in addition to the raw speed test info).
@Spirit - We could always pay one of these gypsy ladies to tell us what really happened:
10 hours downtime on this node, doesn't look promising... now its becoming a "religious act" of patience which will run out soon
@pubcrawler I agree with you there but I don't know how @serverbear would be able to accomplish that unless he has resources to check uptimes on many nodes
Wow thread has taken off whilst away.
I just LOL'd at "word is" like it's some huge secret, I forget you're fairly new here. So some backstory, how much of this is fact V fiction, well i'm on the other side of the pacific so short of walking in the door and knocking on their doors it's not going to happen. However, if you're closer do a drive by and knock, i'll pay you for some paparazzi style photos
Chris worked @ ColoCrossing, he is quite open about this so "word is they share the same office space" is like reporting on Obama's first election instead of the second. Chris states he simply has an office there, nothing more. If that's the case, so be it I don't see an issue. Hardly any different to @miTgiB who used to have his gear in the DC he worked in, no different from Dustin at Quadranet who runs SemoWeb etc etc.
Anyway, purchasing property from parents is not uncommon, in fact it has been going on long before the fusion of sperm and egg that has given existence to all of us to post in this thread. It has been going on for generations. As I understand it (again how much is fact V fiction, do a drive by) Jon @ ColoCrossing bought a property off his mother and has also purchased adjoining properties. Some of those adjoining properties are setup as office space, others are residential.
Coming from an individual whom had 2 brands prior to GetKVM, sold a bunch of yearly KVM deals as "VMPort & KVMPort" then dumped those brands selling them to another company, and then that company did not honour the KVM yearlys is a bit rich. You put no contract to ensure continuity of services for the customers you had, you made no provisions to ensure that they would see the remainder of their services provisioned for because such contractual obligations would of affected the sale price. Instead you sold the yearly packages to pad out your customer base, then dumped those people on another provider. I'd be getting down from that ivory tower before you bump your head and discover it's a long fall.
It was me who threw a spanner in Chris's works over Buffalo/Chicago VPS and gave him the ultimatum of "well until you can prove otherwise, you two can choose one host per month to send an offer from we are not posting both."
Liam has as much access over LEB/LET IPs, Logs, Emails etc as I do. Liam has stated that Robby is infact real, and he has done homework as such. I went as far as asking if he could "confirm he's real, and not really invented?" To which Liam states "seems legit."
@GetKVM_Ash next time you feel so inclined to comment on my behalf on what I will/won't do, take a fishing rod, attach the reel to your nipples and use it to wind your neck back in a few hundred feet.
Relationship between CVPS & Jon? Exists, confirmed, real people with real friendships so what?
Relationship between Robby & Jon? Exists, confirmed, real people with real friendships so what?
Relationship between mikehighend? Exists, confirmed, however no idea if this is a real individual or not? Prevalent question is this person real or not?
As for the complete CVPS screw up, people seem very jaded and after Chris's blood, forgetting that Jeremiah was as much part of the duo act on here asking providers "if they want to sell" as Chris was. So I don't view either of them as a white knight, what I do know is that clearly the screw up was monumental and there are two sides to every story with the truth somewhere in the middle. Chris in my opinion is technically illiterate, Jeremiah is technically proficient. Chris would be sprouting on here whatever Jeremiah was feeding him at the time, meaning if it really is a solus screw up then Chris and Jeremiah are stating the truth. If it's not a solus screw up, then both Chris and Jeremiah are sprouting nonsense. However the lust for blood in this thread fails to hold both equally responsible, and instead an outpouring of emotion for one and a knife for the other. Personally I would either hug both, or hang both.
Either way, all the drama makes a great an entertaining read that will have zero real world influence and neither will it be a catalyst for change as the drama has no indicative direction. The truth is not going to be found in this thread, and those whom know the truth seem to be keeping it ever close to themselves and the stories deviate the most the closer to the source you go. If I can't piece together the clear truth from those directly involved, good luck piecing it together through copious amounts of hyperbole.
I'm finding my inner-crank
Allow me to correct you here. If it's not a solus screw up, then both Chris and Jeremiah are damaging SolusVM reputation + creating mess and diversion among other hosts who use this control panel and try to find out if they are at risk or not and how to fix this if there's something to fix at all. No big deal, kids are just a bit rompish, huh?
As much as sympathy you have toward colocrossing LEB/LET saviours I am wondering if this somewhat affect your hopefully still impartial stance toward those guys.
@risharde This could get even more interesting
thanks for that
@Spirit I understand what you are saying here but I'm guessing we "could" all have allegences and dependencies and / or preferences too...
@marcm that photo made me laugh
Good luck chris, I know it isnt fun.
zing
I am literally about to fall off my chair laughing.
Good wrap @Chief.
You left out one more persona or human depending on if reality or fiction. The former head of "BuffaloVPS", Adam.
I think the contempt members here have about the Chicago VPS / Colocrossing / Buffalo VPS is correct, well earned. Long been grandstanding by the trio+ and as I've pointed out this Mike fellow along with Jon from Colocrossing, have this overwhelming need to post cheerleader fluff for ChicagoVPS both on here and in Jon's case on WHT.
Real business folks who are friends, even in the same industry, aren't going to these lengths to defend each others honor.
If I see someone complaining about a provider I am familiar with, I might recommend how to get their problem resolved or even intervene to bump their request. That's not the type of behavior from the trio. It's just pure sales and defense.
None of this stuff would bother me if CVPS wasn't dragged over the coals for the BuffaloVPS charade and if CVPS wasn't dual pushing offers on LEB via their multiple companies. What did we count in 2011? 12 offers combined?
Yeah sales undercut spamming other folks offers seems pretty sh!tty now in hindsight.
I wouldn't be surprised if the high resource VPS plans on LEB that compete in territory that CVPS does are being DDoS'd by CVPS and related, but allegedly non-affiliated companies. Seen several posts from CVPS offering to buy companies in this space and to even buy remaining inventory of VPS'es that compete with them.
Perhaps @PhilND and others who have posted recently and graciously been DDoS'd would like to comment on the attacks they were under?
@Chief - Nice sum-up. By the way, I am wondering who is running lowendfail.com - that website's content is pretty hateful towards this community. Any ideas?
@CVPS_Chris - You know that saying "You get what you pay for"? In your case I would reverse it to "You pay for what you get". Considering how some of your customers have treated you here in this thread and how they have talked to you no one could blame you if you wanted to shake some of them. Yet some of them still cling on, hoping that their $5 VPS will come back online. I'd say, why not move on? You deserve some peace of mind as well. Just my two cents of course
I feel this thread should just be closed.
@TheHackBox - I agree, no additional info will be available and it serves no one to just speculate and rant. I wouldn't have anything against this being deleted either, as many of the comments here reflect poorly on this community, and this is not what LET is about.
Couldn't have said it better!
It's nice to see from time to time some newcomer preaching us what LET is about... but there's no single reason why this thread should be privileged with deletion. In this thread are posted various opinions, experiences, sometimes anger and frustration and so on... exactly what LET is about unless you think that other people opinion which you don't agree with have no value and should be deleted. But that's for sure is not what LET is about...
@marcm Mr. how exactly has his clients treated him? If I didn't pay him, would I have had a VPS? Man, be real.
Don't kill me, don't kill me, I'm just trying to help
Exactly, you could have gone somewhere else, paid a bit more and now you would have had a working VPS. I'm glad that you agree with me.
@marcm Sir, I don't agree with you. Where on earth did you come up with that? I have paid more money and received worse support than what CVPS used to offer. Furthermore, how can you always directly relate paying more for better service. Paying more could just mean more profits for a provider in which they DO NOT HAVE to spend back on better service. Paying more does not always equate to everything is going to be fine and dandy. My issue is I want back what I had before - plain and simple. So while paying more "may" result in a better result, my experience with respect to VPSs has been somewhat contrary.
If something we learned here in this community is that price isn't necessary measure for quality and many many of us have great, long term well performing CHEAP VPSs so please stop selling us "you get what you pay for" WHT crap. Many hosts here work hard to provide us with great service for similiar price as host from this thread and this what you stated goes completely against LEB spirit. You have much to learn about this place, about this community young Padawan...
As much as you guys like to throw all your buckets on CVPS, I am seeing more and more everyday TRYING to offer his signature plans. I have seen quite a number breaking their heads to figure out their server setup and his relationship with the DC. He is definitely doing something RIGHT, and that is why even today people want to dig further.
As a current customer, I am okay with the server issue, no provider is bomb proof. And their uptime and stability of nodes has always been consistent to me. So if you cant offer a $5 VPS to beat his one, STFU
@risharde and @Spirit - Just off the top of my head I can recommend Hostigation, RamNode, Catalyst Hosting, Secure Dragon, and many others, all LEB hosts, none of them much more expensive. Chicago VPS was good to, but personally I believe that they've lowered the price to much to the point where it compromised quality. So while higher prices don't necessarily mean higher quality, lower unrealistic prices will compromise it for sure.
@Spirit - I am not as young as you may think, and don't let my signup date fool you, as we have another company user that I no longer use to post my own opinions.
@peppr - lol, well said.
@marcm Find the key to your mind. There is always more than one way to do business.
That is true. And while I am not taking any sides, I believe that to many people are enjoying bashing @CVPS_Chris and Chicago VPS, and the bulk of them probably aren't even customers. And yes, @CVPS_Chris misbehaved on several occasions, but why didn't no one say something then and there? Why do people always wait for someone to be down before they have the courage to kick that person, their business or both? It is a pretty disturbing notion, I know. It is also pretty said. But like @Chief said, this thread won't resolve anything or bring anything else to light. We had a VPS at ChicagoVPS for one of our DNS locations, and it went down. No biggie, in a matter of minutes we cloned it somewhere else. It happens, and I am not upset with them for that. In all support tickets that Chris or Jeremiah replied, they were both professional. But that's just my experience with them. Now that Jeremiah is gone, Chicago VPS will probably get a new admin, I don't know. But I doubt that they will go out of business any time soon.
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This thread desperately needs a refill on these. Who's buying?
They only make themselves look just as bad if they're providers. (coughgetkvm)
Oh geez. If we were to delete this thread, wouldn't that just escalate the preferential treatment feeling for CVPS?
Wouldn't every other provider cry foul when they get a bad review or comments they don't like? ... and point to the CVPS thread here that went into the fire heap of oblivion?
Hey, this community needs to grow some teeth and bite. Too many shady providers and stories of horror. Yes, there are good providers too.
CVPS is far from the worst provider. But they are one of the shadiest.
Anyone who expects competition at $5 or $7 VPS price point is nuts. Only way today anyone can sell such a package (2GB of RAM) is at a loss. They are subsidizing your plan with full paying customers money and/or selling excess idle capacity. Many providers also are oversubscribing nodes, contrary to what BS line they are feeding us. Do the freaking math for yourself:
64GB RAM server = 32 2GB plans x $5 = $156 income a month. Find me a 64GB RAM server for under $200/mo.
Fact is, it doesn't exist. So ta-da, oversell your way to profitability.
All it takes is one real ticket to eat up the kind of cash that $5 a month plans bring in.
This is why the low end big ticket plans (2GB of RAM+) simply are nearly all rubbish.
I encourage folks who use CVPS, or it's affiliated officially-non-affiliated company offers to try real providers with a more appropriate price point. Bet you will find performance you never knew existed and RAM that isn't slow slow and hitting disks.