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  • Linode, DO and Vultr, etc will have to be price comparable and offer more to stay afloat long term... Looks promising.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited November 2016

    Currently there are no plans to include a cape or motorcycle with purchase.

    Dylan said: I would not want to be DO or Linode right now

    It definitely encourages further innovation, which is why competition is so great. To maintain a place in your market, you generally have to continually re-evaluate the value of what you provide to customers, and you rarely get to simply coast. That's great for consumers, and it's great for the companies as well as it pushes them to be and do better. There's also a huge compliment hidden in plain sight here.

    (This is obviously not an official statement from DigitalOcean, but the opinion of one person)

  • WebProjectWebProject Host Rep, Veteran

    based on CPU allocation per VM definitely very light usage and lightsail

  • HarambeHarambe Member, Host Rep

    I'm excited. We use a lot of AWS, Google Cloud, DO, DreamCompute, etc. I suspect this will stay locked down to 1 region to start, I can't see them launching this all over and undercutting their main EC2 lineup that quickly.

  • OnApp_TerryOnApp_Terry Member
    edited November 2016

    @Waldo19 said:
    Linode, DO and Vultr, etc will have to be price comparable and offer more to stay afloat long term... Looks promising.

    I agree that price is important. Especially for certain segments of the market. But what Amazon has done especially well is build an ecosystem. Think about it - their support is non-existent. Up until now, it was expensive, and pricing was confusing. This certainly puts the pressure on the 'no-frills' provider. Those who can offer a solution for every customer will still be just as competitive, especially for the majority of SMBs, who do not have devops on staff. If you're able to offer a comprehensive, well supported solution, you're still going to win the customer.

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  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider

    @Harambe said:
    I'm excited. We use a lot of AWS, Google Cloud, DO, DreamCompute, etc. I suspect this will stay locked down to 1 region to start, I can't see them launching this all over and undercutting their main EC2 lineup that quickly.

    Hopefully they bring it to Australia sooner than later. I already have a use case.

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  • lucastlucast Member
    edited November 2016

    can someone run hostbench.io ?
    https://amazonlightsail.com/features/

    "38 AWS AVAILABILITY ZONES

    but in the panel

    Amazon Lightsail is available in the N. Virginia (us-east-1) AWS region. This region has five Availability Zones, and we use letters to identify them: us-east-1a.

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  • lucast said: but in the panel

    I think the plan is to launch this across all AZs

  • Where are the benchmarks?!?!

  • OnApp_Terry said: Those who can offer a solution for every customer will still be just as competitive, especially for the majority of SMBs, who do not have devops on staff. If you're able to offer a comprehensive, well supported solution, you're still going to win the customer.

    Can you say this about SolusVM?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran
    edited November 2016

    @Layer said:

    OnApp_Terry said: Those who can offer a solution for every customer will still be just as competitive, especially for the majority of SMBs, who do not have devops on staff. If you're able to offer a comprehensive, well supported solution, you're still going to win the customer.

    Can you say this about SolusVM?

    Onapp's in the position where there's no hard accepted alternative for the majority of their users. No matter how much paint and stuff the Virtualizor people add to their platform, people will still be shy about it.

    Anyway, that's for another thread.

    Francisco

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  • msg7086msg7086 Member
    edited November 2016

    CPU model            : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2676 v3 @ 2.40GHz
    Number of cores      : 1
    CPU frequency        : 2394.532 MHz
    Total size of Disk   : 30.5 GB (1.6 GB Used)
    Total amount of Mem  : 990 MB (50 MB Used)
    Total amount of Swap : 0 MB (0 MB Used)
    System uptime        : 0 days, 0 hour 10 min
    Load average         : 0.00, 0.10, 0.11
    OS                   : Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
    Arch                 : x86_64 (64 Bit)
    Kernel               : 4.4.0-45-generic
    

    I/O speed(1st run)   : 67.8 MB/s
    I/O speed(2nd run)   : 64.3 MB/s
    I/O speed(3rd run)   : 64.3 MB/s
    Average I/O speed    : 65.5 MB/s
    

    Node Name                       IPv4 address            Download Speed
    CacheFly                        205.234.175.175         20.2MB/s
    Linode, Tokyo, JP               106.187.96.148          5.10MB/s
    Linode, Singapore, SG           139.162.23.4            1.32MB/s
    Linode, London, UK              176.58.107.39           2.74MB/s
    Linode, Frankfurt, DE           139.162.130.8           1.90MB/s
    Linode, Fremont, CA             50.116.14.9             2.66MB/s
    Softlayer, Dallas, TX           173.192.68.18           8.52MB/s
    Softlayer, Seattle, WA          67.228.112.250          5.82MB/s
    Softlayer, Frankfurt, DE        159.122.69.4            904KB/s
    Softlayer, Singapore, SG        119.81.28.170           1.71MB/s
    Softlayer, HongKong, CN         119.81.130.170          1.81MB/s
    

    1gig plan.

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  • Not bad for Amazon standards!


  •    BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 5.1.3)
    
       System: ip-172-26-14-67: GNU/Linux
       OS: GNU/Linux -- 4.4.0-45-generic -- #66-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 19 14:12:37 UTC 2016
       Machine: x86_64 (x86_64)
       Language: en_US.utf8 (charmap="UTF-8", collate="UTF-8")
       CPU 0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2676 v3 @ 2.40GHz (4789.1 bogomips)
              Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET
       23:04:27 up 30 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.12, 0.09; runlevel 2016-11-30
    

    Benchmark Run: Wed Nov 30 2016 23:04:27 - 23:13:27
    1 CPU in system; running 1 parallel copy of tests
    
    Dhrystone 2 using register variables       31910907.5 lps   (10.0 s, 2 samples)
    Double-Precision Whetstone                     3405.3 MWIPS (9.9 s, 2 samples)
    Execl Throughput                               5409.6 lps   (29.3 s, 1 samples)
    File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks       1302305.0 KBps  (30.0 s, 1 samples)
    File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks          347039.0 KBps  (30.0 s, 1 samples)
    File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks       3744872.0 KBps  (30.0 s, 1 samples)
    Pipe Throughput                             2429838.6 lps   (10.0 s, 2 samples)
    Pipe-based Context Switching                 365663.4 lps   (10.0 s, 2 samples)
    Process Creation                              14883.0 lps   (30.0 s, 1 samples)
    Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                   9627.9 lpm   (60.0 s, 1 samples)
    Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                   1256.5 lpm   (60.0 s, 1 samples)
    System Call Overhead                        3787317.3 lps   (10.0 s, 2 samples)
    
    System Benchmarks Index Values               BASELINE       RESULT    INDEX
    Dhrystone 2 using register variables         116700.0   31910907.5   2734.4
    Double-Precision Whetstone                       55.0       3405.3    619.2
    Execl Throughput                                 43.0       5409.6   1258.0
    File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks          3960.0    1302305.0   3288.6
    File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks            1655.0     347039.0   2096.9
    File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks          5800.0    3744872.0   6456.7
    Pipe Throughput                               12440.0    2429838.6   1953.2
    Pipe-based Context Switching                   4000.0     365663.4    914.2
    Process Creation                                126.0      14883.0   1181.2
    Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                     42.4       9627.9   2270.7
    Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                      6.0       1256.5   2094.1
    System Call Overhead                          15000.0    3787317.3   2524.9
                                                                       ========
    System Benchmarks Index Score                                        1913.0
    

    Did a quick unixbench

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  • OnApp_TerryOnApp_Terry Member
    edited November 2016

    @Layer said:

    OnApp_Terry said: Those who can offer a solution for every customer will still be just as competitive, especially for the majority of SMBs, who do not have devops on staff. If you're able to offer a comprehensive, well supported solution, you're still going to win the customer.

    Can you say this about SolusVM?

    Does SolusVM enable you to sell competitive VPS hosting? Absolutely. That's what it does. Can you purchase a ThemeForest design, a WHMCS license & SolusVM, and compete in today's market? Probably not. Hosting is a mature, commoditized marketplace.

    Solus is one part of the "stack" - depending on your target market, you may need to incorporate other solutions to remain competitive. RackSpace is a perfectly good example of this; they found opportunity by incorporating management for AWS & Azure into their existing solutions.

  • IMO Lightsail may enter VPS market

    But When ever I need an reliable hosting solution with best network & Snappier VM's i go with DO But never once AWS striked in my head for that because it would be expensive as hell for no good reason

    I use AWS only when one of my projects depend up on AWS other products like SNS or RDS, Aurora. That too i have always ask my devs to consider the decision couple times.

    Even though i have the above opinion I have to use AWS regard less of that in some situation

    It became an niche to host in AWS for some reason for example

    I have an client who has LEMP stack based site which he want me to host in AWS but when i gave the pricing he doesn't want it hosted in AWS AZ mumbai but on Virginia all based on slight premium that mumbai AZ has over other US AZ's

    He complained it was slow for the people compared to other site i have hosted for cheap in DO bangalore

    DO is great where ever you Go for some people here DO bangalore network may seem like but in reality its the best in INDIAN market both network and spec

    TL;DR I have clients who want AWS for cheap so they can claim they are "Professionals"

  • Will be interesting to see how linode, DO and vultr react to this news. Was highly considering moving some services to them, but without CentOS support, it is a no go for me. lightsail supports ubuntu and Amazon Linux, and I think Amazon Linux is similar to CentOS, but not the same.

    Does anyone have experience with Amazon Linux to be able to share how it stands alongside CentOS from their time on AWS EC2?

  • AdamM said: Does anyone have experience with Amazon Linux to be able to share how it stands alongside CentOS from their time on AWS EC2?

    it's RPM based like CentOS and plenty much the same with just some newer yum package versions for some software i.e. like CentOS 7 defaults to python 2.7 instead of python 2.6 on CentOS 6

  • A little too late, and offers nothing that other big league competitors don't at the same price range. Benchmarks are rather underwhelming. Integrations with other Amazon services are a big plus, but why not just deploy an EC2 instance instead?

    I guess since it's Amazon it'll get some use in the enterprise space, but can't imagine it being used a lot for your average website.

  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider

    @PepeSilvia said:
    A little too late, and offers nothing that other big league competitors don't at the same price range. Benchmarks are rather underwhelming. Integrations with other Amazon services are a big plus, but why not just deploy an EC2 instance instead?

    I guess since it's Amazon it'll get some use in the enterprise space, but can't imagine it being used a lot for your average website.

    I disagree, to work through your post: They have Government certifications that other providers don't have, especially in Australia. Benchmarks are on par for the price. EC2 instances cost 200% more, also does not including data.

    I would love to be able to use a VPS for small things at work but most of the time it's cost and certification prohibitive. Once this comes to Australia I will be living on a cloud.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran

    AdamM said: Will be interesting to see how linode, DO and vultr react to this news.

    Kindly what to react here to? USA only? Ubuntu only? 65 MB/sec disk? 2 MB/sec network? Everyone close down your DO and Vultr, this is premium shit right there. Underperforming, oversold and limited, but people are still gonna buy it, "cuz AMAZON".

  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Patron Provider

    @rm_ said:

    AdamM said: Will be interesting to see how linode, DO and vultr react to this news.

    Kindly what to react here to? USA only? Ubuntu only? 65 MB/sec disk? 2 MB/sec network? Everyone close down your DO and Vultr, this is premium shit right there. Underperforming, oversold and limited, but people are still gonna buy it, "cuz AMAZON".

    Some of us don't have a choice "cuz AMAZON" has all the certifications.

  • AdamM said: Does anyone have experience with Amazon Linux to be able to share how it stands alongside CentOS from their time on AWS EC2?

    I'd say that it's a more updated version of CentOS 6. It doesn't use systemd and uses the CentOS 6 EPEL repos, but the Amazon yum repo also includes some pretty-updated packages.

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  • I might grab $5/m plan and use it for cP DNS only ...

    IMO, the $5 plan makes sense but not so sure about higher plans. (They become expensive compare to others)

  • @AdamM said:
    Does anyone have experience with Amazon Linux to be able to share how it stands alongside CentOS from their time on AWS EC2?

    Custom CentOS 6-like build. I finally preferred to use standard CentOS, it's significantly less headache to keep all required software up-to-date.

  • PepeSilviaPepeSilvia Member
    edited December 2016

    @trewq said:

    >

    I disagree, to work through your post: They have Government certifications that other providers don't have, especially in Australia. Benchmarks are on par for the price. EC2 instances cost 200% more, also does not including data.

    I would love to be able to use a VPS for small things at work but most of the time it's cost and certification prohibitive. Once this comes to Australia I will be living on a cloud.

    Benchmarks are definitely not on par for the price. ~65 MB/s IO is laughable, and the network speeds are very below par as well. Hell couple of VPS I picked up in the last month or so at around ~$1/month beat them comfortably. DO/Vultr would do significantly better.

    Like I said I can't imagine this being competitive for the average VPS users, and the average user doesn't need HIPPA/IRAP etc. compliance. That also sort of falls in the "enterprise" category that Amazon enjoys a good share in.

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    Linode, London, UK              176.58.107.39           21.5MB/s
    Linode, Frankfurt, DE           139.162.130.8           2.97MB/s
    Linode, Fremont, CA             50.116.14.9             26.3MB/s
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    Softlayer, Seattle, WA          67.228.112.250          27.4MB/s
    Softlayer, Frankfurt, DE        159.122.69.4            18.8MB/s
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    Your public IPv4 is 162.243.59.251
    
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  • lbftlbft Member
    edited December 2016

    PepeSilvia said: why not just deploy an EC2 instance instead?

    Because a terabyte of AWS bandwidth in us-east-1 costs $90 on its own.

  • @lbft said:

    PepeSilvia said: why not just deploy an EC2 instance instead?

    Because a terabyte of AWS bandwidth in us-east-1 costs $90 on its own.

    That makes sense. I guess the Lightsail is a good deal for people who are already in / looking to get in to the Amazon ecosystem.

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  • HarambeHarambe Member, Host Rep

    @PepeSilvia said:

    @lbft said:

    PepeSilvia said: why not just deploy an EC2 instance instead?

    Because a terabyte of AWS bandwidth in us-east-1 costs $90 on its own.

    That makes sense. I guess the Lightsail is a good deal for people who are already in / looking to get in to the Amazon ecosystem.

    I hope they expand it because we love it already. Simplifies our billing so much.

    We run a bunch of t2.nano which are like $4.70 on-demand or $3.50-ish reserved. Then add in say.. 10GB of EBS at $0.10/GB/mo so you're now at $5.70/$4.50.. and then tack on bandwidth at $0.09/GB out... It adds up quick.

    Just $5 or just $10, so much easier - with local storage built in to price (fine for our purposes) and 1TB of bandwidth at no cost.. free internal amongst our existing AWS products.. yes plz!

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  • WebDudeWebDude Member
    edited December 2016

    It would be also interesting to get some facts. Instead of those in advertising.

    So far UpCloud has always delivered.

    Because often it's so that the truth is worse than the ads. Do they really deliver? I've checked some cheaper hosting and often performance is actually really awful. So it's not really what you would expect.

    Many others like OVH and Time4VPS more or less constantly underperform. Scaleway is nice, if per core performance isn't a problem.

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