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  • what they say and do seem to be different things then; as in most of eastern europe.

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  • @William said:

    msg7086 said: cyberbunker

    Sure, if you want all your traffic 1:1 copied to the Dutch gov go ahead and pay them some money; they might not directly get the servers easily (realistically the NL military will trash that bunker though if they really want into it, also keep in mind they can SIMPLY CUT FIBER, WATER AND POWER) but are monitored since years. Owner arrested in Spain, Stophaus, A2B internet, Botnets... goes on and on.

    Both Cyberbunker and Ecatel/Quasi as most RU/UA ISPs will also gladly sell your personal data and server content to the highest offer if it makes sense (that number is high, sure, but not out of the world for some actors, at most 6 digits); and some government do pay for such things if that is the way to get it (plus try to sue Ecatel on the Seychelles then for this, pointless, the owners are in Belarus anyway living high life in Minsk).

    The point is - offshore might secure some sides but causes way other issues, especially as the ISP/DC is inherently not trustable anymore over some level.

    That's why the order is placed under anonymous name and paid in BTC, as well as the server will only act as a reverse proxy passing SSL traffic to the real server somewhere else. I'm sure there's no 100% safe, but it should help a bit, especially when the source is copyright / DMCA stuff, not some activities you know.

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  • jenkkijenkki Member
    edited November 2016

    William said: Mivocloud does not seem to care about Tor at least.

    CIS countries doesn't care about filesharing because its legal to share, no one sued for filesharing. VPN also not illegal at any kind. Tor, etc

    Master_Bo said: Perhaps Bahnhof could do,as well?

    If talking about Russia and Sweden just remind a stories with Snowden and with Pirate Bay..

  • not really vps but dedicated - novogara.com, warez allowed ;)

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited June 2018

    @jenkki said:

    William said: Mivocloud does not seem to care about Tor at least.

    CIS countries doesn't care about filesharing because its legal to share, no one sued for filesharing. VPN also not illegal at any kind. Tor, etc

    Master_Bo said: Perhaps Bahnhof could do,as well?

    If talking about Russia and Sweden just remind a stories with Snowden and with Pirate Bay..

    TPB is behind Cloudflare CDN and a Reverse proxy/loadbalancer hosted in Vietnam by removed. True location of the actual webserver of piratebay is unknown and only removedcould find it out.

    Source: https://torrentfreak.com/images/MPAA-USTR-2016.pdf

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited June 2018

    msg7086 said: passing SSL traffic to the real server somewhere else

    Then someone taps your port, takes the outgoing IP (= your backend), go there, raid, and continue the chain if reverse. Welcome to the bust of 1337crew.

    This works with eg. Tor in the middle but makes it slow and rather pointless.

    jenkki said: CIS countries doesn't care about filesharing because its legal to share, no one sued for filesharing. VPN also not illegal at any kind. Tor, etc

    Tor does not generate filesharing abuse primarily anyone cares about (in DE the laws exempt you as ISP from any liability eg.) - mostly it is hacking and CP.

    jenkki said: If talking about Russia and Sweden just remind a stories with Snowden and with Pirate Bay..

    Bahnhof generally stands up for customers, yes, they however still have ultimately business interest directed by Swedish people and government as well as their owners/"shareholders".

    stefeman said: TPB is behind Cloudflare CDN and a Reverse proxy/loadbalancer hosted in Vietnam by removed. True location of the actual webserver of piratebay is unknown and only removed could find it out.

    It's still highly questionable who owns cloudflare or exercises control over it (and thus the metdata as well as, even worse, the SSL termination).

    That report is also either wrong now or simply outdated - the site responds faster to an uncached query (HEAD response) than the latency from my location to Vietnam has in a fiber connection via LA.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited June 2018

    stefeman said: TPB is behind Cloudflare CDN and a Reverse proxy/loadbalancer hosted in Vietnam by removed. True location of the actual webserver of piratebay is unknown and only removed could find it out.

    After reading this more closely, 80% of the report are wrong anyway especially concerning the hosting locations and their information quality is low:

    • Hosting location Iran noted while the IP has Iranian whois and is located in NL
    • Putting Quasi Networks/Ecatel into SC despite hosting location NL
    • Not resolving 3NT's Ltd. in UK to the actual hoster (which is a well known bulletproof UA/RU etc. provider and takes maybe 5min)
    • Noting CF at points but not at others using vague terms ("behind a reverse proxy service curbing rights holders’ ability to identify its precise host")
    • Confusing hosting countries with ownership (eg. putting rarbg into Bosnia due to hosting provider, noted with wrong name as well, while the owners are known to be in the EU)

    Seems like still golden times for warez, MPAA being useless as always, thankfully they even provide hosting provider suggestions as well as registrar suggestion in this report, which should be appreciated!

  • fishwharf said: Most of the time, there are never any complaints, but individual artists who don't like their work being criticized will go to great lengths over many months bothering providers and demanding they remove any work belonging to them; even when things are almost definitely fair use. Most providers I've dealt with end up buckling, even ones claiming to be offshore and freedom of speech friendly.

    If an artist goes to great lengths to get something removed - why not just remove it? Especially when, most of the time, there are never any complaints. You should respect artists' wishes just out of respect for art, especially when they are small independents.

  • stefemanstefeman Member
    edited June 2018

    @William said:

    stefeman said: TPB is behind Cloudflare CDN and a Reverse proxy/loadbalancer hosted in Vietnam by removed. True location of the actual webserver of piratebay is unknown and only removed could find it out.

    After reading this more closely, 80% of the report are wrong anyway especially concerning the hosting locations and their information quality is low:

    • Hosting location Iran noted while the IP has Iranian whois and is located in NL
    • Putting Quasi Networks/Ecatel into SC despite hosting location NL
    • Not resolving 3NT's Ltd. in UK to the actual hoster (which is a well known bulletproof UA/RU etc. provider and takes maybe 5min)
    • Noting CF at points but not at others using vague terms ("behind a reverse proxy service curbing rights holders’ ability to identify its precise host")
    • Confusing hosting countries with ownership (eg. putting rarbg into Bosnia due to hosting provider, noted with wrong name as well, while the owners are known to be in the EU)

    Seems like still golden times for warez, MPAA being useless as always, thankfully they even provide hosting provider suggestions as well as registrar suggestion in this report, which should be appreciated!

    CloudFlare will give backend IP if DMCA letter is valid. Considering that, the info on the report should be from latest handout and thus rather fresh. You sure you did not hit the CDN when testing? :P

  • ZappieZappie Member, Host Rep, LIR

    stefeman said: CloudFlare will give backend IP if DMCA letter is valid

    Untrue, CF gives out the abuse email of the backend hosting provider and will also send an email to the backend hosting provider themselves notifying them of the submitted offence(s)

  • @lion Is that wrong? No, it's not wrong. Right. ITLDC.com, vStoike.RU and MivoCloud.com serve many anonymous services. They all ignore the DMCA. I know I used it before. You can receive services reliably. @56gomez, @William

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  • stefeman said: CloudFlare will give backend IP if DMCA letter is valid

    No, they do not do that in all cases and you can see this in the report also - all CF hosted sites outside of TBP do not list an exact hosting location and they acknowledge that they cannot find it.

  • jenkkijenkki Member
    edited June 2018

    stefeman said: TPB is behind Cloudflare CDN and a Reverse proxy/loadbalancer hosted in Vietnam by removed.

    Dude, It was in Sweden previously till Swedish police raid them under FBI request. Folks get 5 years jail and huge bills they cannot pay even with whole life, one even hide in Ecuador embassy in UK from FBI. That question about who owned who, even with bulletproof Sweden

  • jenkki said: Dude, It was in Sweden previously till Swedish police raid them under FBI request

    ... and this is relevant how? If anything it proves that Sweden cannot be bulletproof, neither is Vietnam (VNPT reads abuse, unlike CNC) however they just don't care at this time.

  • So do we have a front runner for the OP?

  • William said: William

    And also remind (compare) with story when even Putin defends Snowden when he arrived in Moscow airport than found no one from EU can accept them for landing under US FBI request..

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited November 2016

    jenkki said: And also remind (compare) with story when even Putin defends Snowden when he arrived in Moscow airport than found no one from EU can accept them for landing under US FBI request..

    It's not as simple as you paint it and neither you nor i have enough informations to judge this - just as reference however: The Chinese wanted him gone from HK, immediately, no matter to where, to avoid any issues.

    That the Russians accepted him was not pure curiosity or fuck you to the US either, it's about information - The Russians do not care much if they release it public or only give it to the FSB (which they would like obviously, but ultimately it does not matter if they get it). Thus, he is more worth in Moscow and equipped with some $$$ than dead (him surviving is rare anyway, if it would have been a Mossad/Shabak agent he'd be dead before getting out of HK).

  • William said: William

    Talking about, whole EU under FBI jurisdiction,sounds about some bulletproof countries inside just rude. Can be easy raided under request.

  • @jenkki said:
    If talking about Russia and Sweden just remind a stories with Snowden and with Pirate Bay..

    Strictly speaking, no hosting provider may be considered reliable enough. I do not discuss political events, they are always beyond reason. Everything can be either bought, isolated or destroyed, depending on adversary's intentions.

    Talking of hosting, there are a few Iceland companies:

    orangehost.com
    1984hosting.com

    Anyone, comment?

  • You can look at wjunction forum, there is many warez uploader discuss about this and also offshore provider offers.

  • jenkki said: Talking about, whole EU under FBI jurisdiction

    The FBI can't do shit in Austria and tried over years for tax things - we do not even give data to the Germans or other EU countries. The US has some influence over NATO members and major trading partners; most of the EU is neither.

  • jiggawattjiggawatt Member
    edited December 2016

    If "Most of the time, there are never any complaints" is true - then why wouldn't @fishwharf just remove occasional content? I think he's understating his crimes against property. He's hosting something that is probably flooding his provider(s) with abuse reports (and maybe a DDoS) and no host is going to want that.

  • Master_Bo said: Talking of hosting, there are a few Iceland companies

    Iceland also NATO member, meant not a bulletproof, and under FBI jurisdiction already. Wrong way.

  • @OP

    Doing anti-SEO and making things invisible for the unregistered public, crawlers and bots would help preserving your hosting as well.

  • Under international law if you have contact with the US including planning, attempting, conspiring, or the actual carrying out partially or wholly an act that would give rise to liability, the US has jurisdiction over you. This is not considered extraterritorial. This actually is the 2nd cornerstone of the Geneva Conventions and reaffirmed by the US Supreme Court in Morrison v. Nat'l Bank of Australia in 2010 (criminal) and Royal Dutch Shell v. Kiobel (civil). While the Kiobel decision is... kind of a mess, generally the bright line rule is set.

    There is no bulletproof hosting (in China you need an ICP#. Don't speak Chinese? Find a partner who have to own more than you do in the stake, wooooo). There's only "don't care about you" hosting.

  • @William said:

    jenkki said: Talking about, whole EU under FBI jurisdiction

    The FBI can't do shit in Austria and tried over years for tax things - we do not even give data to the Germans or other EU countries. The US has some influence over NATO members and major trading partners; most of the EU is neither.

    Was is extraterritorial or not? Since 2013 the rules have definitively changed.

  • @jenkki said:

    Master_Bo said: Talking of hosting, there are a few Iceland companies

    Iceland also NATO member, meant not a bulletproof, and under FBI jurisdiction already. Wrong way.

    OK, what are the options, then, apart from beautiful unreachable land of Nowhere?

  • loot said: Under international law if you have contact with the US including planning, attempting, conspiring, or the actual carrying out partially or wholly an act that would give rise to liability, the US has jurisdiction over you

    Russia and Iran would like to have a word about "US jurisdiction" with you, as does China - the largest US trading partner... - because the US certainly, as we see on the Russian sanctions and the 10y+ failed ones on Iran, can't do shit despite them doing business with the US, West or Asian world (where do you think this Iranian oil went in sanction times? India, China, Africa... RMB are as good as $ economically)

    loot said: This actually is the 2nd cornerstone of the Geneva Conventions

    Which is pointless, Taiwan also claims all of China (and China claims a LOT more than they occupy now) - If you do not have the military power + economic power + international support + people support this does not mean anything, the US cannot invade Russia by any of them and all nuclear powers are entirely off limits (which yes, includes North Korea, as the idiots while being... idiots... do endanger Seoul if not all up to Busan).

    You also forget that the UN security council is higher than this and has 2 permanent non-west veto powers which regularly vote against US sanctions on Syria and Iran etc. - while the US does the same on the anti-Israel ones, we kind of even out there.

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