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Digital Ocean to begin charging for snapshots

Ya'll been fuckin' WABLED yo.

Snapshots billing update 

We are in the process of making updates to our snapshot policy and wanted to let you know what you will be seeing. 

Starting October 1, 2016, we will begin charging for snapshot storage at $0.05 per gigabyte per month. This will first be reflected in the invoice posted to your account on November 1, 2016. Like other features, snapshot storage uses hourly pricing, and size is calculated from a compressed version of the snapshot—not the total disk space allocated to the Droplet. 

Also, you can now take Droplet snapshots without having to power off the Droplet. You can see this in action by taking a snapshot of a Droplet while it’s still running. 

Over the coming weeks, we will update the Snapshots page to show the costs associated with your snapshot storage more easily and we’ll also send another reminder before charges begin on October 1, 2016. Be sure to see your usage on the Snapshots page and delete unused snapshots to avoid any unexpected charges. 

In the meantime, if you have any questions or feedback about the upcoming changes, you can always open a ticket and our Support team will be glad to help.opening a support ticket. 

Thanks, 
Team DigitalOcean
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  • I do like you can make snapshots without turning the VM off though. I imagine that this announcement will overall likely be good news for those who need uptime most importantly.

  • LeeLee Member

    DO said snapshots would be a chargeable event when they were released so it's no surprise. Just appears to have taken them a while to get around to it.

  • jarjar Member, Patron Provider

    Like how we snuck that live snapshot announcement in there? ;)

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  • FlamesRunnerFlamesRunner Member
    edited August 2016

    @jarland

    Is it possible to request the download of a snapshot?

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  • jarjar Member, Patron Provider

    @FlamesRunner said:
    @jarland

    Is it possible to request the download of a snapshot?

    Not currently but I will say that I've seen a lot of requests for that in the NPS work I've been doing. There's always spin up droplet and rsync data out I guess, for the time being.

    What I think would be cool is mounting a snapshot like block storage...

  • LeeLee Member

    @FlamesRunner said:
    @jarland

    Is it possible to request the download of a snapshot?

    Still the main feature I miss on pretty much all services. The ability to just straight download a snapshot to my local storage array. Yes, yes Rsync but it does not beat click and download. Well it does depending on the scenario.

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  • What do you think an appropriate price would be for downloading a snapshot? Maybe just add the bandwidth to the Droplet associated?

  • @Nekki said:
    Ya'll been fuckin' WABLED yo.

    But you got warning with this one? As far as I recall Wabled just started charging without telling people...?

  • @IThinkUFailed said:

    @Nekki said:
    Ya'll been fuckin' WABLED yo.

    But you got warning with this one? As far as I recall Wabled just started charging without telling people...?

    No, I don't think that happened.

  • jarjar Member, Patron Provider

    My worry with snapshot download is that almost no one would know what to do with what they downloaded.

  • @jarland said:
    My worry with snapshot download is that almost no one would know what to do with what they downloaded.

    What format do snapshots come in exactly? Just the raw data?

  • jarjar Member, Patron Provider
    edited August 2016

    @daily said:

    @jarland said:
    My worry with snapshot download is that almost no one would know what to do with what they downloaded.

    What format do snapshots come in exactly? Just the raw data?

    Would be a compressed disk image. It's best use would be for deployment via KVM. Just imagine the confusion an average person might have downloading a VMware disk image when they don't even know what VMware is. That's kind of how I picture someone downloading our snapshots.

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  • @jarland said:

    @daily said:

    @jarland said:
    My worry with snapshot download is that almost no one would know what to do with what they downloaded.

    What format do snapshots come in exactly? Just the raw data?

    Would be a compressed disk image. Just imagine the confusion an average person might have downloading a VMware disk image when they don't even know what VMware is. That's kind of how I picture someone downloading our snapshots.

    You raise a good point. The good news is that Digital Ocean is already a tutorial source for tons of people. I couldn't imagine a tutorial wouldn't be wrote up really fast.

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  • LeeLee Member

    jarland said: Would be a compressed disk image. It's best use would be for deployment via KVM. Just imagine the confusion an average person might have downloading a VMware disk image when they don't even know what VMware is. That's kind of how I picture someone downloading our snapshots.

    Which is why it would be good as a bolt on service. Of course the bandwidth costs are going to be high, all those people downloading their 'backups' and having no clue what to do with them but that's par for the course.

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  • ReeRee Member

    @jarland said:
    My worry with snapshot download is that almost no one would know what to do with what they downloaded.

    Can you re-upload the snapshot at a later date? With LunaNode I periodically take a snapshot, move it to one of their other locations for online backup, and then download it for offline backup.

    So in a worst-case scenario, like maybe my account is hacked and someone deletes all my crap, I can re-upload the offline image and get back up and running fairly quickly.

  • GCatGCat Member

    Oh well, I'm still going to take snapshots, better safe than sorry, they say

  • jarjar Member, Patron Provider

    @Ree said:

    @jarland said:
    My worry with snapshot download is that almost no one would know what to do with what they downloaded.

    Can you re-upload the snapshot at a later date? With LunaNode I periodically take a snapshot, move it to one of their other locations for online backup, and then download it for offline backup.

    So in a worst-case scenario, like maybe my account is hacked and someone deletes all my crap, I can re-upload the offline image and get back up and running fairly quickly.

    It's not a terrible idea, with some refining and a lot of thought put into it.

  • jarland said: Would be a compressed disk image. It's best use would be for deployment via KVM. Just imagine the confusion an average person might have downloading a VMware disk image when they don't even know what VMware is. That's kind of how I picture someone downloading our snapshots.

    Well, since DO initially said to be targeting "developers", if some of those "developers" can't figure out what to do with a disk image, perhaps they should rename themselves to lusers and don't worry about snapshots.

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  • jarjar Member, Patron Provider

    @rds100 said:

    jarland said: Would be a compressed disk image. It's best use would be for deployment via KVM. Just imagine the confusion an average person might have downloading a VMware disk image when they don't even know what VMware is. That's kind of how I picture someone downloading our snapshots.

    Well, since DO initially said to be targeting "developers", if some of those "developers" can't figure out what to do with a disk image, perhaps they should rename themselves to lusers and don't worry about snapshots.

    I've learned, from this job, just how large the divide can be between developer and admin. I originally thought that the two were close enough that one couldn't be good at one side without at least basic understandings of the other side. I've reached the conclusion that my assumption was not correct.

    A lot of talented developers out there that could very much benefit from having an admin by their side.

  • LeeLee Member

    To be honest I have no issue with it, it's a good service overall in that you can take snapshots, move them quickly to other locations if there is downtime or DDoS and be back in short time. I use it quite a bit on the company account and it always works very well.

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  • @rds100 said:

    jarland said: Would be a compressed disk image. It's best use would be for deployment via KVM. Just imagine the confusion an average person might have downloading a VMware disk image when they don't even know what VMware is. That's kind of how I picture someone downloading our snapshots.

    Well, since DO initially said to be targeting "developers", if some of those "developers" can't figure out what to do with a disk image, perhaps they should rename themselves to lusers and don't worry about snapshots.

    Mehh. It's similar to when I speak to qualified domestic electricians about LV and HV switchgear, they don't have a clue, yet I always assume they should know more than me.

  • @Jarland

    Encrypt the snapshots and only allow them for DO re upload.

    Have an advanced option that has warnings saying 'your data could become corrupt' to put off the standard non techie

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  • OpticalSwoosh said: Encrypt the snapshots and only allow them for DO re upload.

    Might sound cool, but sooner or later someone will leak the keys. Unless those are one time keys per snapshot, but even then... meh.
    Better make it some standard format than you can use elsewhere. Or offer tools for converting it to other formats.

  • rm_rm_ Member

    rds100 said: make it some standard format

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMDK

    But then you could actually easily migrate away from DO. With their recent "everything in the name of profit" push, I doubt that's something they want to encourage.

  • jarjar Member, Patron Provider
    edited August 2016

    @rm_ said:

    rds100 said: make it some standard format

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMDK

    But then you could actually easily migrate away from DO. With their recent "everything in the name of profit" push, I doubt that's something they want to encourage.

    I don't think anyone has a problem with portability so long as it's not the sole reason for a change. However, merely moving a disk image between KVM providers is not quite as simple as I think you're implying. It's a bit more complex than simply using a compatible image type.

    The complexities, I would argue, outweigh any benefit of that method of portability that anyone would propose that it has over rsync.

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  • @jarland said:

    @rm_ said:

    rds100 said: make it some standard format

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMDK

    But then you could actually easily migrate away from DO. With their recent "everything in the name of profit" push, I doubt that's something they want to encourage.

    I don't think anyone has a problem with portability so long as it's not the sole reason for a change. However, merely moving a disk image between KVM providers is not quite as simple as I think you're implying. It's a bit more complex than simply using a compatible image type.

    The complexities, I would argue, outweigh any benefit of that method of portability that anyone would propose that it has over rsync.

    Even download the snapshot from DO just to save the fees and then upload it back when needed. I'd rather use some of my 1TB HDD that doesn't get used

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator

    jarland said: A lot of talented developers out there

    Actually I don't think there's that many...

  • jarjar Member, Patron Provider

    @raindog308 said:

    jarland said: A lot of talented developers out there

    Actually I don't think there's that many...

    Well I know I'm certainly not one of 'em ;)

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Member, Top Host, Host Rep

    @rm_ said:

    rds100 said: make it some standard format

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMDK

    But then you could actually easily migrate away from DO. With their recent "everything in the name of profit" push, I doubt that's something they want to encourage.

    That's not how that song goes man.

    Francisco

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  • HxxxHxxx Member

    I really like their new website design. Great team there.

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