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Motion to ban listing on LEB/LET for providers with private whois
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Understood. But in my defense, (pardon me, because I am not familiar with UK law's), how am I supposed to verify GETKVM's whois?
You could provide your UTR to Liam/Chief. Not sure if LEN would be able to contact HMRC and confirm you are who you say you are as well as your address though.
You cant, that's the point im getting at. A rule cant be set that all providers must be a registered business as trading rules are different in every country and not every country has a database of company's etc. We shouldn't all have to meet the expectations of the USA.
How about being > 6 months since your first LET offer? Community based and community measured. No BS over so and so being in business for 6 years when they haven't.
It means you've been participating in the community as well. It will take out most of the Summer/Winter hosts.
Wait.. what?
I should give out my Unique Tax Reference out to the internet, a sensitive piece of information unique to me which is required for filing records online and come's from the Government Gateway which specifically asks you to keep it safe.
And i seriously doubt HMRC will hand out information on individuals, remember im not legally a separate entity, im a person hence that would be private/personal information.
Most of the countries do have something. When was the last time some one from Mongolia submitted an offer
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If you want to have whois enabled and enforce it, make it verifiable
. I am pretty sure we can not verify whois info from some one who belongs to Namibia :P.
Plus most of the host (kiddy) are from EU/US/India and they all have some way to verify business.
By most you mean the US and the UK (For LTD company's) ?
I'm pretty sure there is no such database for sole traders in ANY country.
We can at least Google the owner's name(s) of dumb kiddie hosts when this gets enforced.
India, China, Korea etc.
My name is Kunnu singh. Prove it otherwise.
Kiddie hosts don't bother to register it as legal entity, that is more or less the definition of it
Like i said, for sole traders? Nope, no such thing exists. Your expecting other company's to be ran how yours is, which is not fair.
I had the choice of going LTD or self-employed as does every business, LEB shouldn't decide which option i take.
Don't we typically make fun of WHT because of all their rules? Why do the same here
On another note, a confirmed PayPal address would be just as much proof as anything else.
They don't bother to have original whois either
And we keep getting back to the same point, how can I verify you are Ashly from UK and Jacob from UK?
A lot of kiddie hosts including yearlyvm don't lie about their identity, we can google his name and find a lot of spoiled reputation, same for kunnu, why put a name known as "scam artist".
Like i said, you cant. How can i verify your legitimate? Anybody can pay a few dollars to register a business name.
This is the internet, its never going to be scam-proof.
Alright, my name is Humza B. Now prove me wrong. My point is, you can not really verify anyone simply based on whois.
I wasn't too sure if it was that sensitive. My accountant asked for mine and I didn't think twice.
Off-topic:
Can I ask why you opted for sole trader opposed to being a limited company instead? I'm interested in business and I thought being a limited company was the most appropriate. Would be interesting to see why you opted for that instead.
You need to submit legal ID, proof of residency, (Such as SSN, Drivers license etc.). You know when you send a mail to that address, some one will receive it.
That was my point. I can verify Jacob as Jacob (or at least his Company) but I can not verify Ashley as Ashley or GetKVM.
You don't need to verify it, just not give hosts the oppertunity to dissapear. Summer hosts usually have/had private whois, because they got it as free addon anyway, some people intend to deadpool (UptimeVPS...) but most just get left by owner for school or other personal issues.
It's really not that hard to get a different address from your home address, whois history also helps a lot of times.
i support this notion.
Anybody can move overnight
Happens all the time over here, for other reasons.
I asked a lot of other people before i made my decision, this was my first time running a business and various other LTD company's and accountants suggested going self-employed as its less paperwork for me and the LTD "advantages" aren't really reaped until your reaching certain turnovers.
The amount of people that said "I wished i would have gone self-employed" was astonishing.
My accountant fees are £0.00 a year
@PhilND
In theory with that UTR and a few other details, i could reset your HMRC password via the Government Gateway. Fair enough its probably a lot harder than it sounds, but still possible.
Its just not something i would feel comfortable giving some random guy on the internet, after all how do we verify Chief is Chief. Its a vicious circle.
We found our accountant online. He's local to my colleague but we haven't met in person just yet. Perhaps I should be more careful who I share such sensitive details with.
That's just LEB if I am not mistaken.
Exactly, LEB is a trust market, you trust the uptime, that it won't take a run and that it won't lose your data. Want to have guarantees from a legal company? Then don't go cheap and go to Rackspace or Linode are any other big, verified, legit VPS company.
Exactly
Another person politely ignoring my comments, ah well.
Another thought to note, if you use ebay/amazon etc (Who hasn't) then how do you verify those sellers are legitimate, you don't.
The best way to go about this would be verifiying by PayPal or the company's merchant account. Obviously for a company to hold a merchant or confirmed PayPal account these companies must hold a valid debit/credit card or bank account which is in turn linked to a home address (Directly via the bank).
So in reality, there will be a clause in PayPal etc TOS that states they are required by law to share info with the authorities, that info will be linked to a legitimate home address at some point down the line.
Maybe a deposit system such as PayPals, where the company completes a small one time payment from a confirmed account to LEB could work.
Paypal and Amazon offers buyers protection. Leb don't