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I thought free speech havens are regions/countries like...
Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Bahamas, Bermuda, Curaçao...
Interesting… but according to whom? Maybe quote a link to the source, so that interested parties could learn about the evaluation methodology and variables of this particular study?
Interesting mix of subjects here. The title suggests safe places to host news sites, people talk about free speech, and so on. How these all relate is case specific so might as well be completely different subjects. All this just highlights that without a well defined threat model there will be no clear solution.
My source. Not reply.
Wut…?
They do. And some IP blocks.
Singlehomed to Telecom Italia it seems.
I did not understand what you said. @aglodek
He's asking what we are all wanting to know. What criterion did you use to make this list? It's an interesting topic, regardless of whether this came from your opinion, or if it is based on some published list of related information. But we'd like to know.
@Ole_Juul This list is taken from the institution that controls the international press freedom. Also myself I did some analysis. I was contacted by some officials in preparing this list. It is definitely a reliable list. ☺
From one of your previous comments, that's what I was thinking you did. Yes, that's reliable information.
Nevertheless, I still insist that any individual needs to clearly define their own threat model. The above list is important information, but details will have to be tailored to each situation.
Freedom of speech=/=porn=/=IP rights infringement.
Freedom of speech is the right to talk about anything you want, from incest to political assassination, from holocaust to "blasphemy", drugs. Nobody should be able to use "morals" for stoping you to express your views, much less laws.
The laws should only punish actual action, like murder, rape, tax evasion, beating, torture, harassment, etc.
You should be able to document anything, to use parodies and satire against any target using any means which do not harm anyone.
Nowhere in the world is this allowed in full, mostly due to religion and "morals", but also due to other excesses, for example the holocaust issue is in a category of it's own, same the "anti-anti-semitic" laws, meant to cover warcrimes and other human rights violations in a particular country with powerful allies. Hate speech against arabs, still semitic people, are, if not encouraged, at least allowed.
Also, surveillance is not allowing free speech, because you can always be targetted under some common law, people to testify for some "rape" can be found, also planting some child porn. drugs, for example, is very easy once you let someone in, even without that. Most people do not want to be targetted by the police/government, so they censor themselves. For example, raiding Tor node operators is used as a weapon against this, also the high profile cracking encryptions and commercial devices are meant to show "we know what you do anywhere and if we find out you donate to the wrong charity we will make sure you will regret it" kind of thing.
Hello @Maounique. Nice to see your blend of antiestablishmentarianism and privacy advocation!
May I suggest that the OP is more about transparency and openness, than privacy. It's about the right to publish something and for it to stay published (hopefully without retribution, maybe you were referencing that more).
wikileaks is not journalism though is it..
Just taking wikipedia's definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism
Their definition of Social_work
I think the wikileaks situation can fit into the description of journalism.
Are these threads truly about freedom of press, though? Seems they always get confused with people's more selfish reasons for Tor/privacy/protection, typically to host stolen content or where there's a more liberal interpretation and enforcement of IP protection. Which would be a shame, as it detracts from the main argument, which is the one about society holding itself to account.
Right, this is my point too. Free speech includes the right to publish, because free speech at home under the shower is not free speech. Various laws against free speech exist under various pretexts, from the right to privacy of public and political figures, to the "defense" of children, religion, jews, whatever. The take down orders are the least someone targeted by the government should worry about. When your opinions are not liked by the religion/government/corporations/mafia/etc in many cases one and the same thing, you need to hide and publish underground, but that is a part of the same problem, as long as the government knows who you are, they can easily plant something on you or fabricate some tax evasion (china/russia), rape (US), to give just some examples. They can easily plant some terrorist name in your onedrive for example, or even make up one in your name, hijack your domain(s), to make up some "evidence".
Today you cannot speak freely without being anonymous, losing your job for "anti-semitic" or "hate speech" is just a small subset of what can happen to you, being raided and harassed is the next step, being sued or jailed the third and killed last, if you still did not get the idea from the beginning. Many people are "suicided" today, from black people held illegally in us under trumped up charges, to lawyers and publishers in china which dared to defend the "wrong" people. You can only defend against that by being anonymous. There is another way, but does not offer the same level of protection, I mean being a public figure widely known, but that does not offer protection from some "thugs" hired by the government. This is how russians operate, mostly, but there are well documented cases in other countries too.
Thank you. So I made myself a little editing. This list is updated annually. For instance, Switzerland's ranking in previous years, it was good. But Switzerland declined in recent years because of their attitude. Analysis can be done like this. ☺
If you don't mind being flagged, try Hong Kong/Taiwan.
Otherwise, don't even think Asia.
Each nation also defines speech in wildly different manners, and also the meaning of protection should also include methods to mitigate (usually legal) prohibitions and avenues of appeal and the granting of relief. Although I've always figured that a list like this necessarily sells a certain world view and a single ranking system that assigns absolute values to what has to be evaluated from many different angles to be... well... pretty useless and OP's source is frankly, from the limited methodology it employs that's imposed on a worldview, at best a survey and really quite pointless except as, well, mere puffery, kind of like a Buzzfeed article circa 2011.
For example, the nation of fish defines it as the act of flapping your fins in such a way that the rippling creates distinguishable and composable patterns to other speciments of the flapping fish that are in relative proximity.
And that, my friend, is where Finland got its name.
The IP blocks I believe, but I'm extremely skeptical there is a true "datacenter" in Vatican City. I've been there. It's less than .44 km^2 (less than .17 mi^2).
The architecture is 500+ years old and it's not exactly designed to be space efficient, given that there's a massive basilica and an enormous public square, leaving very little room for one of the world's largest museums and archives. Additionally there are large Rennaissance-era treasures like the papal apartments, the Sistine Chapel, etc.
Finally, there is a full government operating there, the Pope's living quarters, a post office, etc. I can think of almost every square meter of Vatican City, having walked around a lot, and while of course they could stick servers in rooms somewhere, so much of Vatican City's infrastructure runs on Italian soil that I'm not sure why they would. It's not like Vatican City has its own power plants, water systems, waste management facilities, etc. - that is all bought from Italy. I'd wager DCs beyond departmental stuff is, too.
Dude, there's no issue. It happened.
350,000+ of your fellow countrymen were killed by your fellow countrymen. Ask your fellow countrymen if you have doubts.
Depends if you want to piss Russia off, go USA. If you want to piss the USA off go Russia.
I am not contesting that, nor the fact Romania was last country in Europe to outlaw slavery, my family included, owned slaves and serfs.
I have an issue about the banning of the discussion. This pushes nutcases underground and creates a legend that there is something to hide, otherwise it will be allowed, while, if left in the open, those rants would cause, at best, some laughs from sane people.
This is true, but try to pull a Snowden in the US and you will disappear. Just like any other country.
Essentially Scandinavia and their neighbors.