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@Maounique this whole things reads as "I don't like @cociu". Is there any other purpose to your post?
The only one who's offended are people who want to be offended so they can feel uber-progressive.
Really? Are you just trolling everyone now, I don't get this?
I think it was pretty clear that he wanted people to change their expectations and to understand that 'Offshore' doesn't exist, Romania and off shore should not be synonymous and just because some say it is, doesn't make it so. People should not associate hosting in Romania with hosting 'illegal' or 'offshore' things, this devalues the companies which work hard to provide a legit service. Just because some people are willing to live on the edge and protect people, doesn't mean what they are doing is 'legal', it may just mean they are willing to go to jail or lie to protect you. Really, 'offshore' is a moral/ethical conundrum, that's like walking into a titty bar and then asking if they have a room where if you pay a little more you can be abusive, hurt, kill, mistreat the women. The generic titty bar its self is not 'great' but at the same time because some soulless f**** may be willing to make that deal, doesn't make it morally or ethically correct if they do. Just because that one place has no morals or ethics, doesn't per se mean they are all that way and shouldn't be an indicator to group them all as the same. There are probably much better examples, but I hope this at least proves the point.
On a much more realistic note, think about your best friend, would you give him the keys to your car/house/bank box? Do you trust him enough for that? Okay, now think of the person you are picking to host some content that may, well, not be something so legal. Now, this thing your hosting generates enough of an issue that government agencies get involved or concerned . These agencies show up or track down your host to try and get information on how this can be removed because they deem it to be reckless/dangerous/illegal/etc , do you trust your host as much as your best friend? Do you really expect this person you hardly know and have paid $7.00 to go to jail or risk his business for you?
I am not at the same time suggesting you go host these things with your best friend or that paying more would create more trust, I am saying... if you have to worry about looking for 'offshore', there are several other questions you should be asking your self first, like do you trust your life to a $7.00/month vps host? Am I willing to go to jail or pay the fines related to my actions if the host doesn't do what they say? You get the idea...
my 2 cents.
Cheers!
@cociu et al:
To quote Sheriff Buford T. Justice (Smokey and the Bandit):
What we're dealing with here, is a complete lack of respect for the law!
it is clear as comment above, back to the basic term of offshore and dmca, don't polluted with .......
Dude, WTF?
Here is a summary of what I was saying:
@cociu advertises Romania as offshore, which is an extremely common internet slang term for "don't worry about the DMCAs"
This bugs Chairman @Maounique
He posts a rant but rather than saying "I don't like cociu" he instead goes off on this long circular essay about the nature of Romanian decency, blah blah.
I ask why he didn't just say he doesn't like @cociu
You post a long rant about killing women.
FTFY
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I'm pretty sure you've had that tag for a while. I remember seeing it when you posted a few weeks ago.
Ecatel.
I don't think LET is an appropriate soapbox for a speech, especially about DMCA. Isn't it just up to you to indicate that such content and behavior is unacceptable in your AUP/ToS and that's the end of it, regardless of where the DC is?
@Maounique Coincidence that you chose m247 for iwstack?
Why would you complain? I don't think m247 cares a lot about DMCA.
Well thanks for the slight.
This "offshore" label is like "foreign" when it comes to labelling non-Hollywood films. It's just a subtle way to assert American exceptionalism. Recognition of that is not "uber-progressive".
That said, I can accept that it is common language as used by @cociu and have no need to bring up the above point at every turn. I mentioned it when it was made fun of in the preceding post. Anyway, your summary of the thread makes sense to me.
This is not only about cociu, there were other (now either bankrupt or operating under a different label) ppl which advertised romania as lawless. I think phase-7 was one of them, they also offered custom ISO for their OVZ offers, so you get the idea...
Yes, privacy and free speech on one side and IP rights should have almost nothing in common. Same child porn/terrorism with democracy, the fact some regimes bring up the issue to try to pass laws to reduce constitutional and human rights to privacy and secret of correspondence to better control their politicians and state institutions by gathering embarrassing personal data on key people or to use it to extort money for some parties plain and simple, all this does not connect the two. The law can always be abused under one pretext or the other, from protecting the children to state secrets. Turkey didnt use child porn laws to stifle free speech, nor does china, they simply kidnap/imprison/torture the journalists and publishers, even US used the state secret saga to try to cover up war crimes and a dubious diplomacy to force many countries to adhere to their crusades. Laws will be abused, no matter what are they about, governments will always try to extend the scope and criminalize everything they dont like, it is our duty to make sure that does not happen, but not by protecting the real criminals which infringe on the publishers or children rights. Yes, fight the overbearing and abuse of the law, but leave it to work when it is used as intended. Or, even better, put pressure to amend the law if you think it is not helping the society, but as long as it is the law and it does serve a purpose, we have to obey it.
I am not aware m247 allows IP infringement, even if it does, it is police business, I do not care, WE do not allow it.
The morals of "art creations are the property of mankind and should be free" do not work. Nor "if I make a copy, I am not stealing anything because the owner still has his copy", try to copy some nuclear weapon designs... Information theft is still theft, if the creator/owner of the rights does not allow you to take it. Also, i might agree with copy for own use, in most situations this helps the artists, especially in poorer countries where people do not really afford it, or poor copies which cannot replace the 3d and atmospheric projections in a cinema or the interactivity of a concert, but protecting the people which make money from it by placing porn ads or doing malware/adware bundling? Come on, you dont really want that...