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Romania, not "offshore" nor "infringing paradise"

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    You people are acting like ignoring DMCAs and allowing unfettered torrenting is a bad thing.

    We could just as easily say that Romania is the vanguard of free speech and a defender of global liberty against unjust copyright slavery.

  • APRIL FOOLS?

  • lbftlbft Member

    raindog308 said: You people are acting like ignoring DMCAs and allowing unfettered torrenting is a bad thing.

    Even on pure practical grounds I think it's good to have a place for controversial or questionably legal content to go - that content is going to get hosted somewhere, and at least if there's someone willing to take it in that 'contains' that content from consuming resources elsewhere dealing with abuse reports. And it makes it easier for network admins to drop traffic from the really filthy networks at once, like some had done with Voxility in the past.

    I have to admit, though, I do like that there are people that are acting against the unchecked expansion of intellectual property restrictions in the world, that there are people who will host speech (even extremely awful stuff) and that there are people acting to protect the idea of the common carrier. You need counterculture to keep society healthy.

    If dissent can't find a home then we all suffer because some day it's not going to be the nutty guy posting about zomgj00zdid9/11 who we can all call a fuckwit, it's going to be the real deal with information on corruption or a moral question or a new perspective on a common idea that is suppressed by the powerful.

  • No-one will allow to host illegal content on their servers. Just the problem is they cant act in the same time for all websites.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited April 2016

    lbft said: You need counterculture to keep society healthy.

    As someone said: Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
    Pushing free speech underground gives nutcases more credibility. Why would "they" forbid debates about the holocaust? That is because there is something to hide or the evidence is just scant or easily dismiss-able, while if you allow free discussion with arguments and everything, most sane people will be able to see who is right.
    That being said, copyright infringement has nothing to do with free speech, it is just a modern way of making money on the back of creators which are already exploited by their publishers. As a result, more and more people choose to freely publish their work online. This is a growing trend, and free speech and exchange of ideas and art will continue to thrive, just the big commercial "content" will lose more and more "market share". The publishers see that and try all sorts of tricks to get more money while they can.

    These days DMCA safe harbour provisions are under attack.
    Have you written to your congressmen about it?

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  • What people don't realise is: If there would ever be a reasonably big warez site on a server hosted by @cociu he would either shut it down really fast (like Voxility did when Romania entered the EU) or he would be in jail really quick.

    @cociu is just too small and nobody gives a fuck about those small warez sites or the occasional torrent user on his servers.

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  • cassacassa Member

    @cociu said: i have recive many complains (mails and letters) , what is the problem ? we have a big postal cage so eaven can recive more. ...

    Small question: why the fuck are you, as a company, supporting illegal things?

  • @cassa said:
    Small question: why the fuck are you, as a company, supporting illegal things?

    Money...

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @WHMAMP_COM said:
    No-one will allow to host illegal content on their servers.

    Hahaha, many will actually do. Welcome to the Internet.

  • @cassa said:
    Small question: why the fuck are you, as a company, supporting illegal things?

    Everyone likes a rebel

  • cociucociu Member
    edited April 2016

    i will ignore all this tread , i think @Maounique was not oppened this thread to blame another company or reffering to my person . So i will not lost my time with some idiots from here to explain my life , and YES I MAKE PROFIT is this a problem for of the invidios from LET ? kiss my ass if you are invidios. I will still sell DMCA free in Romania for the moment the low is permit me this and if somebody have something against is open to make a complain to the autority . Here every one have a big mouth but carefoul if you opened every day .... maybe will entry something what you dont espect (in this mounts)....

  • pedagangpedagang Member
    edited April 2016

    yeah, include big man with stupid advertising

    ...said: Everyone likes a pirate

  • cociucociu Member

    cassa said: Small question: why the fuck are you, as a company, supporting illegal things?

    no worryes , i will not stole your clients man ... you will have for a coca cola , have market for all .

  • AmitzAmitz Member

    @cociu said:
    i will ignore all this tread , i think Maounique was not oppened this thread to blame another company or reffering to my person . So i will not lost my time with some idiots from here to explain my life , and YES I MAKE PROFIT is this a problem for of the invidios from LET ? kiss my ass if you are invidios. I will still sell DMCA free in Romania for the moment the low is permit me this and if somebody have something against is open to make a complain to the autority . Here every one have a big mouth but carefoul if you opened every day .... maybe will entry something what you dont espect (in this mounts)....


  • sinsin Member

    well where can I host my naked cat pics

  • cassacassa Member

    @cociu said: no worryes , i will not stole your clients man ... you will have for a coca cola , have market for all .

    That's not why I'm asking it, I'm asking it because you're supporting things you aren't supposed to be supporting.

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  • Maounique said: copyright infringement has nothing to do with free speech,

    I do think that is incorrect, both legally and practically.

    That said, I do understand that your original post was valid from a specific point of view. But as we see in the comments here, there is much confusion about what the issue really is.

  • Ole_Juul said: what the issue really is.

    Indeed, it does seem a bit convoluted. I think the original point was wrt copyright infringement, then elements of rationalising illegal acts & sticking one to the man crept in.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited April 2016

    The issue is that some misleading advertising here made people think romania is some pirates paradise and this perception makes some of our customers believe that, since we open a romanian PoP it means the ToS/AUP no longer applies and illegal activities are OK.
    This is not true and, from what I know, it was never true, some inexperience and some leniency from some DC, does not mean there are no laws and no law enforcement here. Many people paid for their inexperience or knowing infringement, but those cases are not published well enough, so this legend still lives.
    Even in the event that Romania WAS a lawless country, foreign companies operating here are still bound by the laws in their jurisdiction in most aspects of their activity, so, I fail to see how people can believe this BS altogether.

  • I see, Mounique advertise new location here

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  • pedagang said: I see, Mounique advertise new location here

    Pretty smart way to advertise and stay on LET front page, isn't it? ;)

    Thanked by 2raindog308 pedagang
  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @pedagang said:
    I see, Mounique advertise new location here

    Clever girl.

    Francisco

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited April 2016

    I see I have been added to the providers so there was no need for that. Everyone knows we no longer advertise here for a long time.
    If you think this is an ad, delete it, I dont care, I think the point has been made clearly. Any dutch provider would have reacted if people were asking them, ha, so you are dutch, may I bring my booters to your network, ecatel allowed this as well as warez and moviez, after all The Netherlands is a lawless offshore country, some island, under the sea level, full of junkies and whores... And not one, not two, not even when the location was ready, but in advance and tens...
    Besides, if LET people wish to host such things in Romania, then this is an anti-ad, stay far away because I will take care so it does NOT happen. Go to Cociu, he is the guy which knows better how to do these things, with years of experience. You will be scammed with us, we will take your money and suspend the service, indefinitely.
    No, francisco, many things changed since last talking here, if this would have been an ad I would have shared some info about the newer storage solutions, or a new dc in Italy, not some 60k worth of gear in a small DC we dont even own.
    Remember our first discussions in 2011? How I am spreading conspiracy theories with my tinfoil hat on, about the big bad governments which spy on people when we all know they only want to stop child porn, terrorists and islam? Take off your tin foil hat and look at the facts for once.

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  • info_hashinfo_hash Member
    edited April 2016

    Maounique said: after all The Netherlands is a lawless offshore country, some island, under the sea level, full of junkies and whores...

    Sounds about right. Some rich people doing business there too though.

    Maounique said: ake off your tin foil hat and look at the facts for once.

    Damn it. @Maounique been r00ted by the secret world government. We lost her.

    ;-)

  • fair enough, back to own business, nice to see you @mounique, cheers

  • @Maounique said:

    Here is a sample of how Copyright laws are being used to chill free speech
    https://transparency.automattic.com/tag/hall-of-shame/

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  • Ole_JuulOle_Juul Member
    edited April 2016

    Indeed, the current use of offshore is quite offensive. Do the Romanians refer to Hungary as offshore? Out of basic respect, we should really be saying non-USA.

    Edit to add, that I'm not on Maounique's case here. I understand his point in wanting to distance his company from all this.

  • roykemroykem Member
    edited April 2016

    It's all about the money..#imo

  • @roykem said:
    It's all about the money..#imo

    Not when you are in prison

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